Syrette Posted February 25, 2008 Share Posted February 25, 2008 Let's see how the players do with some confidence inside them, yeah? As a collective. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Stephen927 Posted February 25, 2008 Share Posted February 25, 2008 Would offer him a new 3 year contract on £60,000 a week at the very most. Can't see him accepting anything below £80,000 though. Depends how confident he is of finding a new club who'd be willing to pay that kind of money. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GM Posted February 25, 2008 Share Posted February 25, 2008 Try and sell this summer, fail, and wait for his contract to run out. Absolutely nailed on, I think. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
brummie Posted February 25, 2008 Share Posted February 25, 2008 Forget what Owen is on now, is he really worth even 60k a week? Over a 4 year contract, that's 12 million pounds in salary alone. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GM Posted February 25, 2008 Share Posted February 25, 2008 Forget what Owen is on now, is he really worth even 60k a week? Over a 4 year contract, that's 12 million pounds in salary alone. I thought it was meant to be something more like £105,000 a week Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted February 25, 2008 Share Posted February 25, 2008 Forget what Owen is on now, is he really worth even 60k a week? Over a 4 year contract, that's 12 million pounds in salary alone. I thought it was meant to be something more like £105,000 a week Is there just me who cannot for the life of me believe he's on that much? I think the papers just make it up based on what other players might be on. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gray Posted February 25, 2008 Share Posted February 25, 2008 activate his relegation release clause Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest rebel_yell12 Posted February 25, 2008 Share Posted February 25, 2008 Owen's weekly wages change more often than David Beckham's hairstyle, if you read the papers. I've seen everything from 90k to 125k per week "quoted" in papers. The most commonly cited though is about 100k per week. Which sounds ridiculous (I make a fifth of that in a year), until you realise that loads of players are on even more -- Terry, Lampard, Gerrard are all on I think 120k per week, for example. Yes, 100k is high -- but no longer ridiculously so in today's Premiership. For those saying Owen should have his pay reduced -- why? I'm not being pissy, just genuinely curious. I don't get my pay reduced at work (and I'd quit or be given a damn good reason if it was tried). I manage a raise annually, actually. Why should Owen -- who is only 28 and by summer may have a sustained run of fitness and form -- take a pay cut for the privilege of remaining at Newcastle (who are currently 13th)? This is not a club that can tell quality players to f*** off with impunity, sorry to say (I think only Arsenal and ManUtd can do, tbh). So, what are the reasons for demanding Owen (or any player) take a cut in pay? He's been injured, not sh** for the last two years, hence his lack of goals as return on the investment. It's unfortunate, but not Owen's fault either. I'd like to see him re-signed, then if he is sold over summer the contract is worth more -- Newcastle have nothing to lose (his contract certainly won't be worth LESS if he's been re-signed than not) if they want to sell, or if they want to keep him. If he'd genuinely been sh**, fair enough. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
1878 Posted February 25, 2008 Share Posted February 25, 2008 If Owen won't sign a pay as you play deal with a small weekly basic then you should sell asap. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wullie Posted February 25, 2008 Share Posted February 25, 2008 Get shot of him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slugsy Posted February 25, 2008 Share Posted February 25, 2008 Get rid, player well past his best and certainly not worth the money we pay hin Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crumpy Gunt Posted February 25, 2008 Share Posted February 25, 2008 Does anyone really think he'll take a pay cut? Does anyone think that extending his contract at the end of the season will be accomplished by offering him half as much as he's on already? Owen holds all the cards. He'll not extend for less money, his value will be minimal by virtue of being into his final year - he'll secure his wage level by letting his contract run down to nothing. He'll (continue to) rape this club one way or the other. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted February 25, 2008 Share Posted February 25, 2008 If someone else wants to pay him £100k a week good luck to them. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldtype Posted February 25, 2008 Share Posted February 25, 2008 either we keep him for too much or sell him for too little (or nothing.) For now I'm leaning towards "keep him for too much" Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wacko Posted February 25, 2008 Share Posted February 25, 2008 Owen's weekly wages change more often than David Beckham's hairstyle, if you read the papers. I've seen everything from 90k to 125k per week "quoted" in papers. The most commonly cited though is about 100k per week. Which sounds ridiculous (I make a fifth of that in a year), until you realise that loads of players are on even more -- Terry, Lampard, Gerrard are all on I think 120k per week, for example. Yes, 100k is high -- but no longer ridiculously so in today's Premiership. For those saying Owen should have his pay reduced -- why? I'm not being pissy, just genuinely curious. I don't get my pay reduced at work (and I'd quit or be given a damn good reason if it was tried). I manage a raise annually, actually. Why should Owen -- who is only 28 and by summer may have a sustained run of fitness and form -- take a pay cut for the privilege of remaining at Newcastle (who are currently 13th)? This is not a club that can tell quality players to f*** off with impunity, sorry to say (I think only Arsenal and ManUtd can do, tbh). So, what are the reasons for demanding Owen (or any player) take a cut in pay? He's been injured, not sh** for the last two years, hence his lack of goals as return on the investment. It's unfortunate, but not Owen's fault either. I'd like to see him re-signed, then if he is sold over summer the contract is worth more -- Newcastle have nothing to lose (his contract certainly won't be worth LESS if he's been re-signed than not) if they want to sell, or if they want to keep him. If he'd genuinely been sh**, fair enough. Believe you me, if you were making anything like the money Owen is on and your performance at work dropped, you'd be out on your arse quicker than you can say past it. There's no way Owen deserves anything like that much unless he remains injury free for the rest of his contract, and scores every second game. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tmonkey Posted February 25, 2008 Share Posted February 25, 2008 He's worth keeping if we can use him as a bench player. Someone to come on and bag a goal when the opposition are tired, and then start when the first team strikers need a rest or are injured. But he'll naturally think hes to good for that, for us anyway, as no doubt hed be happy that sort of role for someone like Chelsea or ManU. As a first teamer, hes just not what we need right now, and for the forseable future. We cant build a side around a weak injury prone forward who has lost his pace and needs intricate service in and around the 6 yard box in order to score, on top of needing the other 10 players being good enough to carry him whilst hes being invisible in his 90 minute bid to pop up once or twice out of the blue on the end of a half chance. I'll also be very suprised if Keegan wants him in the team next season (praying we stay up, although if we get relegated Owen will be off anyway). Would Keegan's views from 2000 have changed much, considering Owen is half the player he was back then? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parky Posted February 25, 2008 Share Posted February 25, 2008 Out. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ElDiablo Posted February 26, 2008 Share Posted February 26, 2008 Not bothered, like him but letting him go for free would be a kick in teeth seeing as how little he's played. Even if he plays all of next season. Can't see him wanting to renew either. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted February 26, 2008 Share Posted February 26, 2008 To be fair, the only time I was really worried about him being fit was while Oba was away at the ANC and to his credit he's stayed fit. It hasn't done us much good points-wise but that's another story. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest rebel_yell12 Posted February 26, 2008 Share Posted February 26, 2008 Right, so....a few logical reasons out there, I think. I'm still not sure how one decides who is worth how much per week if it's not based on how much it would cost to replace said player -- and who of quality would want to be at Newcastle right now? They'd probably demand huge wages for the "honor" of playing for Newcastle right now, as well. The general gist is that Owen should be willing to take a 50% wage cut because he's been injured, in order to retain the great privilege of being a Newcastle player. The trick of that being -- is it a privilege at all? NUFC are 13th, in shambolic form, there's been nothing but upheavals for the past three years, and the fans (judging from this board) hate him and want rid. If I were Owen, I'd take my wage cut (he's done it before, going to Madrid) and find a new employer. If he's fit, someone will be interested. Probably not one of the big four (unless perhaps Liverpool have a new manager) but someone will be looking to move up a class -- one of the next tier of clubs (Everton, Blackburn, etc.) I think. If the lad's going to take a pay cut, he might as well go to a decent club (arguing his/his agent's case there). hakka -- Gerrard is on 120k a week, I believe, at Liverpool. So, no, Owen does not make what Gerrard does (at least, not in wages). Nor does he make what Terry or Lampard do at Chelsea, just for a few other players off the top of my head. There are many players making more than 100k a week in the Premiership. Believe you me, if you were making anything like the money Owen is on and your performance at work dropped, you'd be out on your arse quicker than you can say past it. There's no way Owen deserves anything like that much unless he remains injury free for the rest of his contract, and scores every second game. Well, Owen's on a good run of fitness (his best since arriving at the club) and has scored three times in the last seven matches, twice in the last three -- that's movement towards your goal for him, wacko. So...if he stays on that pace, and fit until the end of the season, everyone still wants to just get rid? I just don't see the logic in not re-signing him. Even if Newcastle want to sell, his contract is worth more if it's been extended. You'd rather sell for say 6 mil over this summer, because his contract has one year left, than re-sign him and have the contract be worth more like 12 mil (depending on his form and the prospective buyers). I'm a bit bias on Owen's behalf (I never deny this) but I'm still surprised at the vehemence against him here. He's been one of the best since Keegan's arrival and his own return to fitness (finally). It's been one match since he last scored. His work rate was high, he looks committed and he's even tracking back into midfield to pick the ball up and contribute to defence. If Owen's not doing enough to earn a place, who is? And tmonkey -- the fact is Owen IS too good to be on the bench behind Smith, Viduka, Ameobi or Carroll. Those are the options Newcastle have. Who would you rather play? When on form he's too good to be benched for Martins either (personally, I'd play them together). Hell, on form, Michael Owen is too good to be in a squad that's 13th in the Premiership. He's proven his quality over nearly eleven years in top flight football. The only thing he has to prove now, in my opinion, is an ability to stay fit. Once he's proven that, there will be clubs willing to risk his wages for the services of a top quality striker. Newcastle just needs to decide if they want him available for 6 mil or 10-12. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
toptoon Posted February 26, 2008 Share Posted February 26, 2008 SELL SELL SELL ASAP Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Face Posted March 24, 2008 Share Posted March 24, 2008 Glad to hear Keegan is determined to keep hold of him.... Keegan has already seen enough of his skipper to assert that his talents will be crucial to future prosperity on Tyneside. He will ask billionaire owner Mike Ashley to make Owen, 28, an offer he cannot refuse and tie him to Newcastle for the rest of his career. "I've already started to say to the club that we should be talking to Michael now; not next week, not next month," Keegan said. "That's what I'll be urging the chairman [Chris Mort] and football secretary [Lee Charnley] to do. I only mentioned it last week because I could see this coming. Michael's not going to stop scoring goals or stop catching the eye and is going to be wanted by other clubs. "I don't think that whatever finances are there we'll go out and get a player that's any better than Michael. That's the reason we should keep him and as long as he doesn't get injured again, Newcastle fans will see a player who'll grow into one of the greats here." Owen's current contract, estimated to be worth £103,000 per week, is due to expire in June 2009 and Keegan is adamant the England international will continue to thrive for years to come following two injury-blighted campaigns. "I don't see why we should be looking all over the world for foreign players and trying to teach them how to play in the Premier League when we've got one who knows his way around and whose goal-scoring record is tremendous," added the former England manager. "I remember Johan Cruyff saying to me once, 'when I'm playing well, Johan Neeskens is the soldier and I'm the general. If ever I had a day when I felt I was not playing well, I said to Johan 'you be the general and I'll be the soldier'. Michael has been both a general and a soldier since I've been here. "You're seeing him now at his peak after his injury. Michael's vitally important to the club at the moment and hopefully for the future, too. So I'll do everything I can to keep him, but at the end of the day it'll be Michael's decision." http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/main.jhtml?xml=/sport/2008/03/24/sfnnew124.xml Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skirge Posted March 24, 2008 Share Posted March 24, 2008 Wait and see, we won't get that much back off him anyway so lets see what he can do from now until the end of the season and at the beginning of next.. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cronky Posted March 24, 2008 Share Posted March 24, 2008 Wait and see, we won't get that much back off him anyway so lets see what he can do from now until the end of the season and at the beginning of next.. I agree. Keegan obviously wants to bounce the Board into a decision, but the reality is that none of the big four want him, and clubs outside the big four will have trouble in both matching his wages and convincing him to sign. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Face Posted March 24, 2008 Share Posted March 24, 2008 Wait and see, we won't get that much back off him anyway so lets see what he can do from now until the end of the season and at the beginning of next.. I agree. Keegan obviously wants to bounce the Board into a decision, but the reality is that none of the big four want him, and clubs outside the big four will have trouble in both matching his wages and convincing him to sign. I don't see how delaying could benefit us. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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