Guest eyeball_tickler Posted September 24, 2006 Share Posted September 24, 2006 i know it means nothing but he got a 3 rating in the suns dream team thingy. bramble only got a 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dragon55544 Posted September 24, 2006 Share Posted September 24, 2006 i know it means nothing but he got a 3 rating in the suns dream team thingy. bramble only got a 2 What a joke the Sun is, TBH a few Newcastle fans will look at that and get on his back. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BottledDog Posted September 24, 2006 Share Posted September 24, 2006 i know it means nothing but he got a 3 rating in the suns dream team thingy. bramble only got a 2 What a joke the Sun is, TBH a few Newcastle fans will look at that and get on his back. Does it matter if they do? They won't have attended the game if they base their judgement from the Sun, so they are unlikely to again be there to show their disgust the next time around, will they? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leazes1986 Posted September 25, 2006 Share Posted September 25, 2006 i know it means nothing but he got a 3 rating in the suns dream team thingy. bramble only got a 2 What a joke the Sun is, TBH a few Newcastle fans will look at that and get on his back. Well let them get on with it tbh. Shouting at their radio isnt gonna do any harm. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tachikoma Posted September 25, 2006 Share Posted September 25, 2006 Everyone who is criticising him seem to have forgotten that he's only 21 and at the moment, he looks very raw but he obviously has the talent, kinda like Milner in his first season with us. I'm not sure whats Roeder thinking (assuming that he actually followed Martins progress prior to signing him), giving him the number 9 shirt and throwing him into the deep end right off the bat; it isn't doing his confidence any good and judging by his decision making yesterday, he badly needs it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Gemmill Posted September 25, 2006 Share Posted September 25, 2006 To all the people accusing people of kneejerk reactions or writing the player off: are you not in the least bit worried about the total lack of movement from this lad up front? Or the fact that when he picks up the ball and the defenders back off slightly worried about his pace, he is totally reluctant to run at them and commit them? It's pathetic on here that people aren't allowed to voice concerns about a player without getting accused of writing them off. Michael Owen needs to give this lad a crash course in running off the ball because at the minute he may as well be as slow as fucking Shearer was last year if he's just going to stand there and wait for the killer through ball to run onto. Create some space for yourself and others ffs! DO something when you don't have the ball to give yourself a chance when you get it. And then when you do get it, tear at the defenders and give them something to think about. I'm absolutely amazed at the "Oh he'll come good. Just needs to score a goal." stuff on here. He needs to wake up and start pulling defenders out of position tbh. He could and should be causing problems with his pace in the way that Bellamy and Johnson do, but because he's so static his pace is totally ineffective. The only time he comes to life is when he's in a race for the ball with a defender. Sorry, but that's not going to be good enough. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted September 25, 2006 Share Posted September 25, 2006 Martins' best performance so far for me yesterday, tried hard, caused a lot of problems, some intelligent off the ball running, terrific pace and strength. but, from a critical viewpoint he couldn't kill a ball with a gun and this needs to be worked on. Still, well done Oba Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Gemmill Posted September 25, 2006 Share Posted September 25, 2006 Martins' best performance so far for me yesterday, tried hard, caused a lot of problems, some intelligent off the ball running, terrific pace and strength. Intelligent off the ball running? The lad spent far too much time either static or as if he was on the starting blocks waiting for someone to unleash the killer through ball for him to run on to. He needs to work MASSIVELY on his off-the-ball running amongst other things. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaehyun Posted September 25, 2006 Share Posted September 25, 2006 I believe Martins will come good but I do agree with Gemmil, he does not comit to attacking. Several times he should have run at defenders or run into space but he does not commit himself and just backs off. I was shouting at the screen OI USE YOUR BLUDDY PACE!!! But he just tries a half-hearted shot straight at the keeper when using his (supposed pace) he could have easily side stepped and run past them, even shearer in his last season would have dribbled past the defender/keeper and scored( now before you say BS, take a look at how shearer rounded the keeper against wigan or tottenham I think it was, when he scored the brace.) Martins had two opportunities like this, instead he just halfheartedly kicked it at the keeper once, and once straight to the defenders legs. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest The Fox Posted September 25, 2006 Share Posted September 25, 2006 Needs to improve dramatically on his shooting but he keeps going and hopefully given time it will come. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Northern Monkey Posted September 25, 2006 Share Posted September 25, 2006 I think everytime he gets the ball in future everyone in the ground should boo him, that way he'll lose any confidence that he has and end up an outcast like Luque, then with any luck Freddie Shepherd will get on the phone again to Ocean Finance and ask if we can borrow another £10 million to buy someone else next summer. Thats right - its the CROWDS fault Luque is shite, not the players!! If only we'd realised before. Are we to blame for Shola, Bramble, Moore and Babayaro being sub-par as well?? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cronky Posted September 25, 2006 Share Posted September 25, 2006 His strategy seems to be to hit the ball early, which isn't always the best way, but it may be right for him. His close control is so bad that if he were to try to take an extra touch or take the ball round the last defender, he'd most likely lose it. Likewise, he doesn't make many runs out to the wing to free up space, because I don't think he can create much from that position. I think we just have to accept the package. He's going to miss some chances that others wouldn't, and he's not going to create much for his team mates, but he's such a good athlete that he will get on the end of chances that would be beyond other strikers. He also gets a lot of power in his shots, even from fairly static positions. Incidentally, I can't see him combining at all with Owen. Two specialist finishers wouldn't work IMO. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Gemmill Posted September 25, 2006 Share Posted September 25, 2006 His strategy seems to be to hit the ball early, which isn't always the best way, but it may be right for him. His close control is so bad that if he were to try to take an extra touch or take the ball round the last defender, he'd most likely lose it. Likewise, he doesn't make many runs out to the wing to free up space, because I don't think he can create much from that position. I think we just have to accept the package. He's going to miss some chances that others wouldn't, and he's not going to create much for his team mates, but he's such a good athlete that he will get on the end of chances that would be beyond other strikers. Incidentally, I can't see him combining at all with Owen. Two specialist finishers wouldn't work IMO. Specialist finisher? If that's his specialty, I'd hate to see him do something that he just dabbles in. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueStar Posted September 25, 2006 Share Posted September 25, 2006 When he was subbed he ran off the pitch faster than he'd run all game. Too early to write the lad off, but he's not shown me any promise of his potential so far. faster than he had ran all game? he was fucking lightning all game. never seen anything like it, and he has great stregnth and teqnique. not pleased with his composure in front of goal, but it should improve. i see what crumpy means, with that chance he really should have done better at, but its too early to write off his striking prowess atm. We obviously have different definitions of "lightning." I'm not sure we can judge his technique yet, thanks to his early-shola style first touch today we didn't get a chance to see it. my definition of lightning is getting onto your own through ball. you need more than quick leggs to to that as well, you need a quick mind. no hesitation unlike lescott after he'd passed, we was straight onto it. Erm... You mean when he played a ball somewhere where there was nobody whatsoever, no toon players, no defenders, no one running on, then jogged over to pick it up again because there was no-one there to challenge him? I thought the lad was a waste of space today, Sibierski outshone him and he's 4 years older! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Gemmill Posted September 25, 2006 Share Posted September 25, 2006 When he was subbed he ran off the pitch faster than he'd run all game. Too early to write the lad off, but he's not shown me any promise of his potential so far. faster than he had ran all game? he was fucking lightning all game. never seen anything like it, and he has great stregnth and teqnique. not pleased with his composure in front of goal, but it should improve. i see what crumpy means, with that chance he really should have done better at, but its too early to write off his striking prowess atm. We obviously have different definitions of "lightning." I'm not sure we can judge his technique yet, thanks to his early-shola style first touch today we didn't get a chance to see it. my definition of lightning is getting onto your own through ball. you need more than quick leggs to to that as well, you need a quick mind. no hesitation unlike lescott after he'd passed, we was straight onto it. Erm... You mean when he played a ball somewhere where there was nobody whatsoever, no toon players, no defenders, no one running on, then jogged over to pick it up again because there was no-one there to challenge him? Aye, that's the one. People congratulating him for fucking up a promising attack and having to retrieve his own shocking pass. OMG HE RETRIEVED HIS OWN MISPLACED PASS!11 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Armchair Pundit Posted September 25, 2006 Share Posted September 25, 2006 £10 million worth of shite Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
womblemaster Posted September 25, 2006 Share Posted September 25, 2006 whos out striker coach ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChezGiven Posted September 25, 2006 Share Posted September 25, 2006 He was Man of the match for me at West Ham and then has not been that disastrous in the last 2 games. Has shown glimpses/flashes/whatever but he is still settling. For his potential i look to the west ham game. He can play better than he did yesterday. I dont know what to say to people judging him now, we have evidence and so we should be able to use it to make a judgement. For me though its about potential and he is showing that. I will judge him at xmas and i would wiat till i have seen him more than once live. You need to be at the match to judge a striker as his running off the ball is as important as anything else and its hard to see that on TV. I really enjoyed yesterdays game and Martins played some part in that excitement. More than can be said for Luque in any game he has played in for us. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skirge Posted September 25, 2006 Share Posted September 25, 2006 Get him in training with Big Al for a couple of weeks get his finishing sorted. :thup: Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Gemmill Posted September 25, 2006 Share Posted September 25, 2006 Gte hi in training Out of contract Japanese striker? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raconteur Posted September 25, 2006 Share Posted September 25, 2006 Erm... You mean when he played a ball somewhere where there was nobody whatsoever, no toon players, no defenders, no one running on, then jogged over to pick it up again because there was no-one there to challenge him? I thought the lad was a waste of space today, Sibierski outshone him and he's 4 years older! Quick, call Anal Oliver - the Sib is revealed to be only 25 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Brazilianbob Posted September 25, 2006 Share Posted September 25, 2006 To all the people accusing people of kneejerk reactions or writing the player off: are you not in the least bit worried about the total lack of movement from this lad up front? Or the fact that when he picks up the ball and the defenders back off slightly worried about his pace, he is totally reluctant to run at them and commit them? It's pathetic on here that people aren't allowed to voice concerns about a player without getting accused of writing them off. Michael Owen needs to give this lad a crash course in running off the ball because at the minute he may as well be as slow as fucking Shearer was last year if he's just going to stand there and wait for the killer through ball to run onto. Create some space for yourself and others ffs! DO something when you don't have the ball to give yourself a chance when you get it. And then when you do get it, tear at the defenders and give them something to think about. I'm absolutely amazed at the "Oh he'll come good. Just needs to score a goal." stuff on here. He needs to wake up and start pulling defenders out of position tbh. He could and should be causing problems with his pace in the way that Bellamy and Johnson do, but because he's so static his pace is totally ineffective. The only time he comes to life is when he's in a race for the ball with a defender. Sorry, but that's not going to be good enough. My sentiments exactly! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Northern Monkey Posted September 25, 2006 Share Posted September 25, 2006 His strategy seems to be to hit the ball early, which isn't always the best way, but it may be right for him. His close control is so bad that if he were to try to take an extra touch or take the ball round the last defender, he'd most likely lose it. Likewise, he doesn't make many runs out to the wing to free up space, because I don't think he can create much from that position. I think we just have to accept the package. He's going to miss some chances that others wouldn't, and he's not going to create much for his team mates, but he's such a good athlete that he will get on the end of chances that would be beyond other strikers. He also gets a lot of power in his shots, even from fairly static positions. Incidentally, I can't see him combining at all with Owen. Two specialist finishers wouldn't work IMO. Thats ok then, Martins certainly isn't that. We can't blame the "getting used to the EPL" rubbish for this one - the ball is the same shape as the one in Italy, he is just not good at controlling it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bobbyshinton Posted September 25, 2006 Share Posted September 25, 2006 20 million reserve forward line Albat and OB1 Canobi (sp) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BottledDog Posted September 25, 2006 Share Posted September 25, 2006 Quick question to the considerable number of people who raved about how amazingly two footed Martins was. Do you still believe this to be the case? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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