Wullie Posted May 5, 2008 Share Posted May 5, 2008 Just seen the Sky interview and I'd like to repeat my disgust at the knee-jerk reactions that spawned this thread. Load of bollocks. KK just says what we all know; there's no way we can bridge the gap for the immediate future. We spend £100m? They'll spend £200m. We sign from the rank of second best players in the world? They sign the best. Maybe playing them today made KK realise it's just not as feasible as last time he was here. Maybe, but if his pre-match talk to the players resembled the post-match press conference, then there was never any danger of a home win being achieved. Chelsea have quality throughout the squad, everyone knows that, but the players, and the manager, have to believe that against all the odds they can beat Chelsea. I didn't see anything today which made me think the Newcastle players believed they could pull off an upset. That Chelsea team wasn't a million miles from the one that Spurs beat in the Carling Cup. I know that nine times out of ten Chelsea will beat Spurs, as KK said, they are too strong for the opposition to beat them. But you have to believe that the 10th match when we win will be today, if you don't you will lose. Guaranteed. KK might have been honest in his post-match press conference. It still doesn't make it right that he should say what he did publicly. If the two teams were playing again tomorrow, the Chelsea players would know that KK expected his team to lose, the Newcastle players would know that as well. In my honest opinion, I think it was a mistake for KK to say what he did. In that case what the fuck did Ramos say before we gave you your annual twatting at White Hart Lane? Must have told them they were real shite. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted May 5, 2008 Share Posted May 5, 2008 Maybe, but if his pre-match talk to the players resembled the post-match press conference, then there was never any danger of a home win being achieved. Chelsea have quality throughout the squad, everyone knows that, but the players, and the manager, have to believe that against all the odds they can beat Chelsea. I didn't see anything today which made me think the Newcastle players believed they could pull off an upset. That Chelsea team wasn't a million miles from the one that Spurs beat in the Carling Cup. I know that nine times out of ten Chelsea will beat Spurs, as KK said, they are too strong for the opposition to beat them. But you have to believe that the 10th match when we win will be today, if you don't you will lose. Guaranteed. KK might have been honest in his post-match press conference. It still doesn't make it right that he should say what he did publicly. If the two teams were playing again tomorrow, the Chelsea players would know that KK expected his team to lose, the Newcastle players would know that as well. In my honest opinion, I think it was a mistake for KK to say what he did. We'll not be playing them tomorrow so anything that may have happened if we did is meaningless. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parky Posted May 5, 2008 Share Posted May 5, 2008 Where's my we need to spend £100m thread? Fair play to him, saying it as it is. And there is no shame in his first full season to be challenging for top 6. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimburst Posted May 5, 2008 Share Posted May 5, 2008 Keegan said we wouldn't have much money, but it wouldn't matter anyway, because we cant attract the type of players that Chelsea have. Seems a very fair comment to me, he was basically saying we can't challenge the top four, so we must just look to improve. He's just bringing our disgustingly high expectations back down to earth. I think I was a little wrong, but at least I didn't kneejerk Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cronky Posted May 5, 2008 Share Posted May 5, 2008 Maybe, but if his pre-match talk to the players resembled the post-match press conference, then there was never any danger of a home win being achieved. Chelsea have quality throughout the squad, everyone knows that, but the players, and the manager, have to believe that against all the odds they can beat Chelsea. I didn't see anything today which made me think the Newcastle players believed they could pull off an upset. That Chelsea team wasn't a million miles from the one that Spurs beat in the Carling Cup. I know that nine times out of ten Chelsea will beat Spurs, as KK said, they are too strong for the opposition to beat them. But you have to believe that the 10th match when we win will be today, if you don't you will lose. Guaranteed. KK might have been honest in his post-match press conference. It still doesn't make it right that he should say what he did publicly. If the two teams were playing again tomorrow, the Chelsea players would know that KK expected his team to lose, the Newcastle players would know that as well. In my honest opinion, I think it was a mistake for KK to say what he did. We'll not be playing them tomorrow so anything that may have happened if we did is meaningless. I hate to side with the opposition here, but MJ has got a point. No-one would have taken any encouragement from Keegan's comments post-match. Not the fans, not the players, not his staff, no-one. As we know can happen, Keegan was speaking from his emotions rather than his common sense. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnnypd Posted May 5, 2008 Share Posted May 5, 2008 Maybe, but if his pre-match talk to the players resembled the post-match press conference, then there was never any danger of a home win being achieved. Chelsea have quality throughout the squad, everyone knows that, but the players, and the manager, have to believe that against all the odds they can beat Chelsea. I didn't see anything today which made me think the Newcastle players believed they could pull off an upset. That Chelsea team wasn't a million miles from the one that Spurs beat in the Carling Cup. I know that nine times out of ten Chelsea will beat Spurs, as KK said, they are too strong for the opposition to beat them. But you have to believe that the 10th match when we win will be today, if you don't you will lose. Guaranteed. KK might have been honest in his post-match press conference. It still doesn't make it right that he should say what he did publicly. If the two teams were playing again tomorrow, the Chelsea players would know that KK expected his team to lose, the Newcastle players would know that as well. In my honest opinion, I think it was a mistake for KK to say what he did. we were comfortably the better side in the first half tho. bit of a different scenario comparing the mickey mouse cup final to a game chelsea HAD to win to be in with a chance of winning the league. at 45 mins you wouldnt have thought chelsea were desperate for a result and we had nowt at all to play for. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Liam Liam Liam O Posted May 5, 2008 Share Posted May 5, 2008 Maybe, but if his pre-match talk to the players resembled the post-match press conference, then there was never any danger of a home win being achieved. Chelsea have quality throughout the squad, everyone knows that, but the players, and the manager, have to believe that against all the odds they can beat Chelsea. I didn't see anything today which made me think the Newcastle players believed they could pull off an upset. That Chelsea team wasn't a million miles from the one that Spurs beat in the Carling Cup. I know that nine times out of ten Chelsea will beat Spurs, as KK said, they are too strong for the opposition to beat them. But you have to believe that the 10th match when we win will be today, if you don't you will lose. Guaranteed. KK might have been honest in his post-match press conference. It still doesn't make it right that he should say what he did publicly. If the two teams were playing again tomorrow, the Chelsea players would know that KK expected his team to lose, the Newcastle players would know that as well. In my honest opinion, I think it was a mistake for KK to say what he did. We'll not be playing them tomorrow so anything that may have happened if we did is meaningless. I hate to side with the opposition here, but MJ has got a point. No-one would have taken any encouragement from Keegan's comments post-match. Not the fans, not the players, not his staff, no-one. As we know can happen, Keegan was speaking from his emotions rather than his common sense. We're doomed!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted May 5, 2008 Share Posted May 5, 2008 I hate to side with the opposition here, but MJ has got a point. No-one would have taken any encouragement from Keegan's comments post-match. Not the fans, not the players, not his staff, no-one. As we know can happen, Keegan was speaking from his emotions rather than his common sense. I'm not bothered about what he's said, I doubt anything he said surprised too many. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Knightrider Posted May 5, 2008 Share Posted May 5, 2008 Just seen the Sky interview and I'd like to repeat my disgust at the knee-jerk reactions that spawned this thread. Load of bollocks. KK just says what we all know; there's no way we can bridge the gap for the immediate future. We spend £100m? They'll spend £200m. We sign from the rank of second best players in the world? They sign the best. Maybe playing them today made KK realise it's just not as feasible as last time he was here. Maybe, but if his pre-match talk to the players resembled the post-match press conference, then there was never any danger of a home win being achieved. Chelsea have quality throughout the squad, everyone knows that, but the players, and the manager, have to believe that against all the odds they can beat Chelsea. I didn't see anything today which made me think the Newcastle players believed they could pull off an upset. That Chelsea team wasn't a million miles from the one that Spurs beat in the Carling Cup. I know that nine times out of ten Chelsea will beat Spurs, as KK said, they are too strong for the opposition to beat them. But you have to believe that the 10th match when we win will be today, if you don't you will lose. Guaranteed. KK might have been honest in his post-match press conference. It still doesn't make it right that he should say what he did publicly. If the two teams were playing again tomorrow, the Chelsea players would know that KK expected his team to lose, the Newcastle players would know that as well. In my honest opinion, I think it was a mistake for KK to say what he did. Stop shit stirring MJ. You're doing what a lot of people in this thread have done, read into things far too much. If you think KK sent his side out without a belief that they could pull off a win, based on his post match comments I might add, you're being daft. We actually attacked them a lot today, Owen having 2-3 really good goalscoring opportunities and the first-half was very even, perhaps we even shaded it from what I remember. It certainly felt that way. Second half their quality kicked in, they changed gear, they got a break with the free-kick, poor marking, goal, backfoot, they saw it out. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest optimistic nit Posted May 5, 2008 Share Posted May 5, 2008 Just seen the Sky interview and I'd like to repeat my disgust at the knee-jerk reactions that spawned this thread. Load of bollocks. KK just says what we all know; there's no way we can bridge the gap for the immediate future. We spend £100m? They'll spend £200m. We sign from the rank of second best players in the world? They sign the best. Maybe playing them today made KK realise it's just not as feasible as last time he was here. Maybe, but if his pre-match talk to the players resembled the post-match press conference, then there was never any danger of a home win being achieved. Chelsea have quality throughout the squad, everyone knows that, but the players, and the manager, have to believe that against all the odds they can beat Chelsea. I didn't see anything today which made me think the Newcastle players believed they could pull off an upset. That Chelsea team wasn't a million miles from the one that Spurs beat in the Carling Cup. I know that nine times out of ten Chelsea will beat Spurs, as KK said, they are too strong for the opposition to beat them. But you have to believe that the 10th match when we win will be today, if you don't you will lose. Guaranteed. KK might have been honest in his post-match press conference. It still doesn't make it right that he should say what he did publicly. If the two teams were playing again tomorrow, the Chelsea players would know that KK expected his team to lose, the Newcastle players would know that as well. In my honest opinion, I think it was a mistake for KK to say what he did. you're talking out of your arse here like, during the first half we definately thought we could beat them, we were brimming with confidence, and the better side. we strung about 20 passes together at 1 point, all along the floor, and got the ball via that method all the way from rb to the left flank and into the box. you tell me that doesn't show belief, considering how shite we've been at it before. imo we absolutely believed we could win it in the first half, got in at half time after being the better side but we couldn't really do more than we were doing, we'd been very unlucky. chelsea then made a bright start to the second half, galvonised by grant, and we couldn't cope. what do you say to a team that's been the better side but haven't broken through yet. the only real thing you can say is keep it up, whereas grant may well have had a right go at his team in the interval and they came out more motivated. they also had a fuck load more to play for than we did. i don't know what match you were watching, but in the first half we definately believed we could win it, and for a spurs fan to lecture our team about our belief and attitude when half the time it looks like spurs players get paid more if they arse about in a nonchalent manner is a tad hypocritical. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dokko Posted May 5, 2008 Share Posted May 5, 2008 MJ in talking shite and acting like a cock shocker. Spuds-online at its very best. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest ALNO1 Posted May 5, 2008 Share Posted May 5, 2008 Maybe, but if his pre-match talk to the players resembled the post-match press conference, then there was never any danger of a home win being achieved. Chelsea have quality throughout the squad, everyone knows that, but the players, and the manager, have to believe that against all the odds they can beat Chelsea. I didn't see anything today which made me think the Newcastle players believed they could pull off an upset. That Chelsea team wasn't a million miles from the one that Spurs beat in the Carling Cup. I know that nine times out of ten Chelsea will beat Spurs, as KK said, they are too strong for the opposition to beat them. But you have to believe that the 10th match when we win will be today, if you don't you will lose. Guaranteed. KK might have been honest in his post-match press conference. It still doesn't make it right that he should say what he did publicly. If the two teams were playing again tomorrow, the Chelsea players would know that KK expected his team to lose, the Newcastle players would know that as well. In my honest opinion, I think it was a mistake for KK to say what he did. we were comfortably the better side in the first half tho. bit of a different scenario comparing the mickey mouse cup final to a game chelsea HAD to win to be in with a chance of winning the league. at 45 mins you wouldnt have thought chelsea were desperate for a result and we had nowt at all to play for. Call it whatever you like it's still a trophy and they've won it and I wouldn't mind winning it. Back to KK don't think he's said anything we didn't already know just hurts when it's said out loud Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted May 5, 2008 Share Posted May 5, 2008 Where's my we need to spend £100m thread? Fair play to him, saying it as it is. And there is no shame in his first full season to be challenging for top 6. I think it's next to the one about Arsenal. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tsunami Posted May 5, 2008 Share Posted May 5, 2008 Don't understand what the problem is. We not only don't have enough disposable cash to get the players in, we are not a club that could attract the quality of player needed either. It will take at least 3 years of solid hard work to get established top 6 never mind challenging top 4. KK has got a hard job in the summer as he needs to bring players in who will allow us to challenge for europe & that will not be easy. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Knightrider Posted May 5, 2008 Share Posted May 5, 2008 Actually, we were the better side in the first half, I remember they had a lot of nothing possession, but we were the ones doing the attacking and going for it, they on the other hand to me didn't look at all with it, they were very scrappy in defence and the final third and we were comfortable from my perspective. Even after their goal, we went after them and they wilted a few times, was a weird game in that sense. Your bias is clearly showing MJ, I regard your comments as nothing more than shit stirring and don't even know why I'm trying to justify our and the manager's attitude to the game, it was transparent to see that we went into it looking to win it and with the belief that we could, which of course, is KK all over. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Skeletor Posted May 5, 2008 Share Posted May 5, 2008 Funny how we have fans of various different teams on here but it's only ever the Spurs fans who get on people's nerves . Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cajun Posted May 5, 2008 Share Posted May 5, 2008 Brummie pisses me off a bit, Milner this, Milner that and he is barely an average player! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Martin Lol Posted May 5, 2008 Share Posted May 5, 2008 Maybe, but if his pre-match talk to the players resembled the post-match press conference, then there was never any danger of a home win being achieved. Chelsea have quality throughout the squad, everyone knows that, but the players, and the manager, have to believe that against all the odds they can beat Chelsea. I didn't see anything today which made me think the Newcastle players believed they could pull off an upset. That Chelsea team wasn't a million miles from the one that Spurs beat in the Carling Cup. I know that nine times out of ten Chelsea will beat Spurs, as KK said, they are too strong for the opposition to beat them. But you have to believe that the 10th match when we win will be today, if you don't you will lose. Guaranteed. KK might have been honest in his post-match press conference. It still doesn't make it right that he should say what he did publicly. If the two teams were playing again tomorrow, the Chelsea players would know that KK expected his team to lose, the Newcastle players would know that as well. In my honest opinion, I think it was a mistake for KK to say what he did. we were comfortably the better side in the first half tho. bit of a different scenario comparing the mickey mouse cup final to a game chelsea HAD to win to be in with a chance of winning the league. at 45 mins you wouldnt have thought chelsea were desperate for a result and we had nowt at all to play for. Agreed. Chelsea were poor in the first half and Newcastle deserved to go in at halftime a goal to the good. I think there was a great deal of similarity with the Carling Cup though. The personnel were similar, the tactics were the same and totally wrong. The difference was that Grant changed it today and didn't at Wembley until Chelsea were behind. As I said before, 9 times out of 10 Chelsea will beat the opposition, but in the first half the Newcastle players looked as though an upset was possible. In the second half I didn't get the impression that the Newcastle players believed today would be the 1 in 10 where they could win. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Liam Liam Liam O Posted May 5, 2008 Share Posted May 5, 2008 Maybe, but if his pre-match talk to the players resembled the post-match press conference, then there was never any danger of a home win being achieved. Chelsea have quality throughout the squad, everyone knows that, but the players, and the manager, have to believe that against all the odds they can beat Chelsea. I didn't see anything today which made me think the Newcastle players believed they could pull off an upset. That Chelsea team wasn't a million miles from the one that Spurs beat in the Carling Cup. I know that nine times out of ten Chelsea will beat Spurs, as KK said, they are too strong for the opposition to beat them. But you have to believe that the 10th match when we win will be today, if you don't you will lose. Guaranteed. KK might have been honest in his post-match press conference. It still doesn't make it right that he should say what he did publicly. If the two teams were playing again tomorrow, the Chelsea players would know that KK expected his team to lose, the Newcastle players would know that as well. In my honest opinion, I think it was a mistake for KK to say what he did. we were comfortably the better side in the first half tho. bit of a different scenario comparing the mickey mouse cup final to a game chelsea HAD to win to be in with a chance of winning the league. at 45 mins you wouldnt have thought chelsea were desperate for a result and we had nowt at all to play for. Agreed. Chelsea were poor in the first half and Newcastle deserved to go in at halftime a goal to the good. I think there was a great deal of similarity with the Carling Cup though. The personnel were similar, the tactics were the same and totally wrong. The difference was that Grant changed it today and didn't at Wembley until Chelsea were behind. As I said before, 9 times out of 10 Chelsea will beat the opposition, but in the first half the Newcastle players looked as though an upset was possible. In the second half I didn't get the impression that the Newcastle players believed today would be the 1 in 10 where they could win. More WUM bollocks Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cajun Posted May 5, 2008 Share Posted May 5, 2008 I reckon Keegan definitely told them to give up at half time as we had tried our best and there was no point. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skeletor Posted May 5, 2008 Share Posted May 5, 2008 Maybe, but if his pre-match talk to the players resembled the post-match press conference, then there was never any danger of a home win being achieved. Chelsea have quality throughout the squad, everyone knows that, but the players, and the manager, have to believe that against all the odds they can beat Chelsea. I didn't see anything today which made me think the Newcastle players believed they could pull off an upset. That Chelsea team wasn't a million miles from the one that Spurs beat in the Carling Cup. I know that nine times out of ten Chelsea will beat Spurs, as KK said, they are too strong for the opposition to beat them. But you have to believe that the 10th match when we win will be today, if you don't you will lose. Guaranteed. KK might have been honest in his post-match press conference. It still doesn't make it right that he should say what he did publicly. If the two teams were playing again tomorrow, the Chelsea players would know that KK expected his team to lose, the Newcastle players would know that as well. In my honest opinion, I think it was a mistake for KK to say what he did. we were comfortably the better side in the first half tho. bit of a different scenario comparing the mickey mouse cup final to a game chelsea HAD to win to be in with a chance of winning the league. at 45 mins you wouldnt have thought chelsea were desperate for a result and we had nowt at all to play for. Agreed. Chelsea were poor in the first half and Newcastle deserved to go in at halftime a goal to the good. I think there was a great deal of similarity with the Carling Cup though. The personnel were similar, the tactics were the same and totally wrong. The difference was that Grant changed it today and didn't at Wembley until Chelsea were behind. As I said before, 9 times out of 10 Chelsea will beat the opposition, but in the first half the Newcastle players looked as though an upset was possible. In the second half I didn't get the impression that the Newcastle players believed today would be the 1 in 10 where they could win. Chelsea hadn't beaten us in about 6 years at St. James' in the league so it's not a surprise that today wasn't the 1 in 10. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wullie Posted May 5, 2008 Share Posted May 5, 2008 Maybe, but if his pre-match talk to the players resembled the post-match press conference, then there was never any danger of a home win being achieved. Chelsea have quality throughout the squad, everyone knows that, but the players, and the manager, have to believe that against all the odds they can beat Chelsea. I didn't see anything today which made me think the Newcastle players believed they could pull off an upset. That Chelsea team wasn't a million miles from the one that Spurs beat in the Carling Cup. I know that nine times out of ten Chelsea will beat Spurs, as KK said, they are too strong for the opposition to beat them. But you have to believe that the 10th match when we win will be today, if you don't you will lose. Guaranteed. KK might have been honest in his post-match press conference. It still doesn't make it right that he should say what he did publicly. If the two teams were playing again tomorrow, the Chelsea players would know that KK expected his team to lose, the Newcastle players would know that as well. In my honest opinion, I think it was a mistake for KK to say what he did. we were comfortably the better side in the first half tho. bit of a different scenario comparing the mickey mouse cup final to a game chelsea HAD to win to be in with a chance of winning the league. at 45 mins you wouldnt have thought chelsea were desperate for a result and we had nowt at all to play for. Agreed. Chelsea were poor in the first half and Newcastle deserved to go in at halftime a goal to the good. I think there was a great deal of similarity with the Carling Cup though. The personnel were similar, the tactics were the same and totally wrong. The difference was that Grant changed it today and didn't at Wembley until Chelsea were behind. As I said before, 9 times out of 10 Chelsea will beat the opposition, but in the first half the Newcastle players looked as though an upset was possible. In the second half I didn't get the impression that the Newcastle players believed today would be the 1 in 10 where they could win. So what are you saying, he gave them a good team talk before the game then changed his mind at half time and told them they were all doomed? Stop talking out your arse. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skeletor Posted May 5, 2008 Share Posted May 5, 2008 How often to Chelsea beat us at home? Maybe, but if his pre-match talk to the players resembled the post-match press conference, then there was never any danger of a home win being achieved. Chelsea have quality throughout the squad, everyone knows that, but the players, and the manager, have to believe that against all the odds they can beat Chelsea. I didn't see anything today which made me think the Newcastle players believed they could pull off an upset. That Chelsea team wasn't a million miles from the one that Spurs beat in the Carling Cup. I know that nine times out of ten Chelsea will beat Spurs, as KK said, they are too strong for the opposition to beat them. But you have to believe that the 10th match when we win will be today, if you don't you will lose. Guaranteed. KK might have been honest in his post-match press conference. It still doesn't make it right that he should say what he did publicly. If the two teams were playing again tomorrow, the Chelsea players would know that KK expected his team to lose, the Newcastle players would know that as well. In my honest opinion, I think it was a mistake for KK to say what he did. we were comfortably the better side in the first half tho. bit of a different scenario comparing the mickey mouse cup final to a game chelsea HAD to win to be in with a chance of winning the league. at 45 mins you wouldnt have thought chelsea were desperate for a result and we had nowt at all to play for. Agreed. Chelsea were poor in the first half and Newcastle deserved to go in at halftime a goal to the good. I think there was a great deal of similarity with the Carling Cup though. The personnel were similar, the tactics were the same and totally wrong. The difference was that Grant changed it today and didn't at Wembley until Chelsea were behind. As I said before, 9 times out of 10 Chelsea will beat the opposition, but in the first half the Newcastle players looked as though an upset was possible. In the second half I didn't get the impression that the Newcastle players believed today would be the 1 in 10 where they could win. Chelsea hadn't beaten us in about 6 years at St. James' in the league so it's not a surprise that today wasn't the 1 in 10. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Knightrider Posted May 5, 2008 Share Posted May 5, 2008 How often to Chelsea beat us at home? About as many times as Spurs do at home. And at their own ground. I.e. not very often. http://www.independent.co.uk/multimedia/archive/00021/newcastle_21817t.jpg Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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