toontownman Posted June 21, 2008 Share Posted June 21, 2008 Detestable character, sums up most of whats wrong with football today. doesnt care what the fans think, doesnt care what the manager thinks, is all about what he wants. yes he might be one of the best players in the world but where does he think he is going to go in a couple of years when he is kicked into the sidelines by a new superstar signing or change of manager/board. manure will be laughing, the will bring in great players that will further strengthen the team, they always do. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Power NUFC Posted June 21, 2008 Share Posted June 21, 2008 Offer him to barcelona. 50mill + Messi. Everybody will be happy. Well, except for real. If you're being serious you really need to take up a different sport. :clap: :clap:i could not agree more. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Rob X Posted June 21, 2008 Share Posted June 21, 2008 Messi is nowhere near as good as Ronaldo in terms of consistency or on a given day when both are at their peak. Messi is nowhere near the commercial opportunity that Ronaldo presents to Barcelona as they'll recoup that amount and considerably more. Messi is nowhere near the attraction that Ronaldo is to attract world class players. And putting one over on real is worth more than the rest put together. I'd certainly make the offer. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Snrub Posted June 21, 2008 Share Posted June 21, 2008 Before this can continue, I have to ask.. Do you even know who Lionel Messi is? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Tooj Posted June 21, 2008 Share Posted June 21, 2008 Messi is nowhere near as good as Ronaldo in terms of consistency or on a given day when both are at their peak. Messi is nowhere near the commercial opportunity that Ronaldo presents to Barcelona as they'll recoup that amount and considerably more. Messi is nowhere near the attraction that Ronaldo is to attract world class players. And putting one over on real is worth more than the rest put together. I'd certainly make the offer. mackems.gif mackems.gif mackems.gif mackems.gif Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MW Posted June 21, 2008 Share Posted June 21, 2008 What an ungrateful/disloyal bastard Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Rob X Posted June 21, 2008 Share Posted June 21, 2008 Clearly you have nothing to add tooj. I also know that Messi tends to be injury prone and given the fickle nature of the game everybody likes the flavour of the month and that is Ronaldo at this time. Messi is an excellent player, do doubt but it's clear to acquire a player like Ronaldo you have to be willing to give something up. Barcelona may see Ronaldo as a better bet over the next five years than Messi to get back to the top. On a lesser level just like KK gave up Cole to go with Ferdinand. PLus the commercial potential far outweighs the transfer money and that would be a massive consideration as money talks. The PR alone would make Barcelona consider it as they probably aren't as myopic as some of the people on this forum. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
colinmk Posted June 21, 2008 Share Posted June 21, 2008 Detestable character, sums up most of whats wrong with football today. doesnt care what the fans think, doesnt care what the manager thinks, is all about what he wants. yes he might be one of the best players in the world but where does he think he is going to go in a couple of years when he is kicked into the sidelines by a new superstar signing or change of manager/board. manure will be laughing, the will bring in great players that will further strengthen the team, they always do. Couldn't of said it better myself. Detestable he certainly is. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dokko Posted June 21, 2008 Share Posted June 21, 2008 Messi is nowhere near as good as Ronaldo in terms of consistency or on a given day when both are at their peak. Messi is nowhere near the commercial opportunity that Ronaldo presents to Barcelona as they'll recoup that amount and considerably more. Messi is nowhere near the attraction that Ronaldo is to attract world class players. And putting one over on real is worth more than the rest put together. I'd certainly make the offer. I think your points are debatable, certainly not laughable. I do think Ronaldo is more consistent and and refined, but he is older. Messi is really injury prone and is already a player who you cannot rely on or build a team around. Not sure about commercial, but again reckon the twat has the edge, and a move like this would generate mass hype. As for players i think the clubs are the attraction rather than certain individuals (at this level) and even though Messi has the better given talent, but he possibly hasn't done as much with it compared to Ronaldo who's contribution really did help Manu win the double this season. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fugazi Posted June 21, 2008 Share Posted June 21, 2008 Messi is nowhere near as good as Ronaldo in terms of consistency or on a given day when both are at their peak. Messi is nowhere near the commercial opportunity that Ronaldo presents to Barcelona as they'll recoup that amount and considerably more. Messi is nowhere near the attraction that Ronaldo is to attract world class players. And putting one over on real is worth more than the rest put together. I'd certainly make the offer. I think your points are debatable, certainly not laughable. I do think Ronaldo is more consistent and and refined, but he is older. Messi is really injury prone and is already a player who you cannot rely on or build a team around. Not sure about commercial, but again reckon the twat has the edge, and a move like this would generate mass hype. As for players i think the clubs are the attraction rather than certain individuals (at this level) and even though Messi has the better given talent, but he possibly hasn't done as much with it compared to Ronaldo who's contribution really did help Manu win the double this season. Messi is better than Ronaldo was at the age of 20 though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dokko Posted June 21, 2008 Share Posted June 21, 2008 Messi is nowhere near as good as Ronaldo in terms of consistency or on a given day when both are at their peak. Messi is nowhere near the commercial opportunity that Ronaldo presents to Barcelona as they'll recoup that amount and considerably more. Messi is nowhere near the attraction that Ronaldo is to attract world class players. And putting one over on real is worth more than the rest put together. I'd certainly make the offer. I think your points are debatable, certainly not laughable. I do think Ronaldo is more consistent and and refined, but he is older. Messi is really injury prone and is already a player who you cannot rely on or build a team around. Not sure about commercial, but again reckon the twat has the edge, and a move like this would generate mass hype. As for players i think the clubs are the attraction rather than certain individuals (at this level) and even though Messi has the better given talent, but he possibly hasn't done as much with it compared to Ronaldo who's contribution really did help Manu win the double this season. Messi is better than Ronaldo was at the age of 20 though. I did say Messi has the better given talent, and i did say Ronaldo is older and more refined, so...yeah, were right. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fugazi Posted June 21, 2008 Share Posted June 21, 2008 Wasn't trying to argue, just saying that Messi is still developing as a player. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
2sheds Posted June 21, 2008 Share Posted June 21, 2008 What an ungrateful/disloyal b****** Indeed. But on the plus side it couldn't happen to nicer set of fans Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Rob X Posted June 21, 2008 Share Posted June 21, 2008 I don't think it matters at all what the players were like at 20. I do think that people will look at Ronaldo as a player who's time is now and a good bet for the next five years. Not sure you can say the same for Messi as continual Muscle injuries don't bode well for the future. As TT points out, I think you can build a team around Ronaldo with a greater degree of certainty than Messi although nobody can predict the future. If Barcelona view Ronaldo as a player who can help them dominate in Spain for five years I don't think they'll give a flying fuck whether Messi is better than Ronaldo was at 20. It's today that matters with instant gratification. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tooj Posted June 21, 2008 Share Posted June 21, 2008 Clearly you have nothing to add tooj. No. I've done this debate several times over on this forum about who is the better player between them both, and I've given my reasons as to why I believe Messi is better also several times over. Where was Cristiano the other night when his country needed him most? Why yet again did he fail to step up and be counted, why did he fail yet again to grab a game by the scruff of the neck like the so called great players do? I'm done. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tmonkey Posted June 21, 2008 Share Posted June 21, 2008 Replacing Messi with Ronaldo would be a big loss for Barcelona, because they'd lose their chief playmaker, the heartbeat of the current team. Ronaldo is in amazing form and is a good player to boot on top of the goalscoring, but that form is down to others in the ManU side being able to pull the strings and create chances whilst Ronaldo pops up on the end of them. In a Messi-less Barca, he'd not have the service, and as we've seen on a frequent basis, he isnt that good a creator/playmaker. Ideally, Barca should be breaking their backs trying to sign Ronaldo to add to a team that has Messi in it. One would assume it'd be a commercial dream too. As a football fan though, I would like to see him go to Real, purely to spread out the world stars and add some competition - on top of which, Real currently have no real world class stars. Five years ago they had Zidane, Ronaldo, Figo and Raul all at the top of their game (at least two of them would be amongst the greatest or most talented players ever), and that team produced some of the best football at club level in the last decade or two imo, now they only have a squad full of good players at best that has won the title twice now purely by default. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tooj Posted June 21, 2008 Share Posted June 21, 2008 What Cristiano needs to look at is the Ronaldinho who was at PSG, who I knew was a class player, but I never thought he had it in him to take his game to the level he did for that brief period when he was the best player we've seen since Zidane in his prime. I never had him down to be that playmaking genius he became. This is what Cristiano needs to do, but I don't think he has that eye for a pass like Ronaldinho, I also think his dribbling is overrated, and he's more a physical monster who has that unbelievable brilliant knack of being there at the right place, time and time again. Rather than being able to dictate play like Ronaldinho did, or even someone like Figo could do from out wide. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Rob X Posted June 21, 2008 Share Posted June 21, 2008 Right. Forty odd goals had nothing to do with Ronaldo himself and everything to do with his team. Come on. People need to look beyond their dislike of Ronaldo and view this objectively. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tooj Posted June 21, 2008 Share Posted June 21, 2008 Right. Forty odd goals had nothing to do with Ronaldo himself and everything to do with his team. Come on. People need to look beyond their dislike of Ronaldo and view this objectively. See my post above chap. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SUPERTOON Posted June 21, 2008 Share Posted June 21, 2008 Clearly you have nothing to add tooj. No. I've done this debate several times over on this forum about who is the better player between them both, and I've given my reasons as to why I believe Messi is better also several times over. Where was Cristiano the other night when his country needed him most? Why yet again did he fail to step up and be counted, why did he fail yet again to grab a game by the scruff of the neck like the so called great players do? I'm done. Agreed no doubting Ronaldo is world class but Messi is the better player as he showed in the Champs league Semi final i think alot more people would agree if Messi came to the prem and got the same sort of media coverage Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ElDiablo Posted June 21, 2008 Share Posted June 21, 2008 Messi is more naturally talented, but i'd rather Ronaldo in my team. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
OzzieMandias Posted June 21, 2008 Share Posted June 21, 2008 The more I hear about him, the bigger a twat he seems to be... First of all a little story to tell you what kind of man we are talking about. It is January 9, 2008, and in an upstairs room at Manchester United's training ground five elderly men in smart blazers are struggling with their emotions in front of a hushed audience. It is the club's media day building up to the 50th anniversary of the Munich air disaster and Sir Bobby Charlton's polite smile does not hide the fact he is trembling as he takes his seat. Bill Foulkes is straight-backed and dignified but only a couple of questions have been asked before the tears appear in his eyes and he reaches for a glass of water. In an adjacent room Wayne Rooney has agreed to offer a modern-day perspective of that seminal day when 23 people, including eight members of Sir Matt Busby's team, were killed in the wreckage of the burnt-out BEA Elizabethan. It is not his specialist subject but he handles the occasion with dignity and more eloquence than some people might imagine. But then Cristiano Ronaldo comes through the double doors and the mood is broken. He is wearing a white suit jacket and ripped jeans, looking every bit the boy-band hunk, but it is very obvious he is in a bad mood. He begins by berating Karen Shotbolt, the club's press officer, because he is waiting for Rooney and the event has over-run. He is banging his watch with his hand, flapping his arms and gesturing in the way that Portuguese footballers usually reserve for fussy referees and, at first, he is so animated it appears as if it might be a wind-up. When he flounces back through the doors, cursing loudly, it is very obvious he is being deadly serious. Rooney is professional enough to carry on with his tribute but the attention is no longer exclusively on him. Thirty seconds later Ronaldo appears again, first rapping his forefinger against the glass in the door, then opening it by a fraction and starting to whistle at Rooney in the way that a farmer beckons his sheepdog. It was such an unpleasant scene the journalists decided not to write about it because we had been invited to the training ground to cover a far more important subject... But coming away from Carrington that day it was difficult not to wonder what had become of the pimply teenager with the braces on his teeth who had been photographed, in his first few weeks as a United player, holding hands with his mother, Dolores, as they crossed a busy Manchester street. http://blogs.guardian.co.uk/sport/2008/06/21/why_united_should_let_this_ego.html Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Posted June 21, 2008 Share Posted June 21, 2008 It's not as if the press didn't build that ego. No, not at all. He's a very talented player, but if they want to know why he might be a cunt, well..perhaps they should glance in the mirror. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Rob X Posted June 21, 2008 Share Posted June 21, 2008 Nobody has said he isn't a twat. Like many spoilt little bastards who are rich and love the limelight. But football is business. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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