Jonas Gutierrez signed from Mallorca on 5 year deal

[James]

I remember when he was playing for Keegan.

 

Attacking movement was exceptional throughout the team, which allowed Jonas to get involved in some really good passing moves, and he could run the full length of the pitch.

 

This doesn't happen anymore, because Kinnear spends four days out of five coacching defending.

 

Hence we are completely impotent.

 

Kinnear Out!

[Guest optimistic nit]

Imagine Gutierrez in a team like Liverpool or Chelsea. He would be amazing, this guy is amazing for the Argentine nationalt eam, hes trying to much because our whole freaking squad is just s***. Wouldn't surprise me if he's out back to La Liga or some other top clubs in June. Bassong too.

 

he's a PL player, he's said so himself. that said can see teams in europe going for him in the summer. not sure if they will get him, but i can see them trying.

 

I remember when he was playing for Keegan.

 

Attacking movement was exceptional throughout the team, which allowed Jonas to get involved in some really good passing moves, and he could run the full length of the pitch.

 

This doesn't happen anymore, because Kinnear spends four days out of five coacching defending.

 

Hence we are completely impotent.

 

Kinnear Out!

 

you know kinnear does that james? are you at the training ground 5 days a week?

 

we're completely impotent because we have martins and owen out injured. attacking movement wasn't bad vs the mackems, we just couldn't get shola or andy to move their lanky arses into any sort of space.

 

i'm not defending kinnear here btw, he's the worst manager i've ever seen both in a tactical sense and in a "what a cunt" sense.

[James]

Imagine Gutierrez in a team like Liverpool or Chelsea. He would be amazing, this guy is amazing for the Argentine nationalt eam, hes trying to much because our whole freaking squad is just s***. Wouldn't surprise me if he's out back to La Liga or some other top clubs in June. Bassong too.

 

he's a PL player, he's said so himself. that said can see teams in europe going for him in the summer. not sure if they will get him, but i can see them trying.

 

I remember when he was playing for Keegan.

 

Attacking movement was exceptional throughout the team, which allowed Jonas to get involved in some really good passing moves, and he could run the full length of the pitch.

 

This doesn't happen anymore, because Kinnear spends four days out of five coacching defending.

 

Hence we are completely impotent.

 

Kinnear Out!

 

you know kinnear does that james? are you at the training ground 5 days a week?

 

we're completely impotent because we have martins and owen out injured. attacking movement wasn't bad vs the mackems, we just couldn't get shola or andy to move their lanky arses into any sort of space.

 

i'm not defending kinnear here btw, he's the worst manager i've ever seen both in a tactical sense and in a "what a cunt" sense.

 

Kinnear has said that's what he does.

[johnnypd]

i don't think, with his gangly, lanky, awkward legs, that he can get the required power or accuracy behind his shots or crosses. i can only remember one or two powerful crosses he has hit, but i dont think i can recall a powerful drive from outside the area. you don't see Ameobi doing the same because he has a similar problem - though it enables him to have an awkward presence just as it enables Jonas to drive on through players as he dribbles. for a winger it is a pretty serious weakness.

[Kanj]

How he retains possession so often when being challenged is beyond me. I haven't seen someone so good at close control and then BAM hes off running past someone. Best example is that he will get a pass, and a defender will come from behind or on the side, he will control it, quick feet and hes pushed the ball forward and hes away from his man. I thinnk I've noticed he loves going to the byline and cutting  the ball back to pass across the face of the goal. Something which worked much better when Oba and Owen were up top.

[robbo_11]

I thought Jonas had a good game against Sunderland and has been quite impressive so far this season. He can tackle (to an extent), pass and run with the ball, but maybe does too much running and has little end product. He worked well with Enrique down the left hand side and was able to cover as Jose overlapped. I don't like the fact he exaggerates some contact and can go down rather easily, but the fact that teams look to take him out proves he is a threat. It's safe to say that we had the most joy with Gutierrez on the ball against Sunderland and if Owen had been on the pitch we might have had a different story. Most of the balls from Jonas were along the ground and to the front post, except the one cross where McCartney had to clear from under the bar, but no one gambled or rather Ameobi and Carroll looked for the header. Also if we had someone who was able to arrive late in the box from midfield we could have had a few opportunities to score.

[Skirge]

Keeps the ball like Tino used to like don't he, his work ethic is second to non, if the rest of them put that amount of effort in we will be fine. His final ball may lack but that can also be down to lack of options in the box, to many of our players are like statues.

Enrique could do more also, he backs Jonas up but only to a point, he will go wide and create space for Enrique by pulling the CB and FB away but Jose never uses the space to run into he just gives it back to Jonas expecting hmi to beat the two men. There was a spell vs the Scum on Sunday where they passed it back and forward toe ach other about 7 times until Duff went over to offer another option.

[Fatwax]

i don't think, with his gangly, lanky, awkward legs, that he can get the required power or accuracy behind his shots or crosses. i can only remember one or two powerful crosses he has hit, but i dont think i can recall a powerful drive from outside the area. you don't see Ameobi doing the same because he has a similar problem - though it enables him to have an awkward presence just as it enables Jonas to drive on through players as he dribbles. for a winger it is a pretty serious weakness.

 

Power in a shot comes from speed and accuracy in the movement of the leg when taking the shot. Jonas certainly has the first quality.

 

It's also Owen's major flaw. Since the knee injury he's lost speed in his leg when going for the shot, equalling in weak shots almost all of the time.

 

That's my understanding of shooting and power anyway as it was explained to me by coaches when I played more.

[Fatwax]

Oh and another thing about what Skirge said - the overall movement in our team is pathetic. It can't be that hard to move into space for your team mates. I coach primary school kids how to do this and they seem to be able to get the basic grasp of the principal.

 

[TRon]

Oh and another thing about what Skirge said - the overall movement in our team is pathetic. It can't be that hard to move into space for your team mates. I coach primary school kids how to do this and they seem to be able to get the basic grasp of the principal.

 

 

This is why the criticisms of Jonas lack of end product are pointless. We have people like Geremi who provide end product but seeing as they spend most of the game gathering rust it's useless. If it wasn't for the likes of Jonas we wouldn't get the ball out of our own half.

[Skirge]

Oba will attack a ball but he does not anticipate enough and or darting runs, Owen does but he aint a big target to aim for not when he has three or four opposing players around him, we should have at least  have three players bursting a gut to get into the box when Jonas is on a run down the flank, he usally manages some kind of ball into the box, take the gamble in numbers into the box is what we need to do.

[Guest Howaythetoon]

Power in a shot comes from speed and accuracy in the movement of the leg when taking the shot. Jonas certainly has the first quality.

 

It's also Owen's major flaw. Since the knee injury he's lost speed in his leg when going for the shot, equalling in weak shots almost all of the time.

 

That's my understanding of shooting and power anyway as it was explained to me by coaches when I played more.

 

Power (and shooting in general) is all about technique and not speed or strength, see goal-kicks for a prime example of using technique to strike the ball hard. It has nothing to do with strength or speed. Balance/body posture is also a major factor, although body posture comes under technique.

[Yorkie]

Oba will attack a ball but he does not anticipate and make darting runs, Owen does but he aint a big target to aim for, we should have at least three players bursting a gut to get into the box when Jonas is on a run down the flank, he usally manages some kind of ball into the box, take the gamble in numbers into the box is what we need to do.

 

I know you're just generalising, Skirge - but in many cases that's what we can do with out. If Jonas makes it to the byline he isn't going to deliver a beautiful swerving cross - he's going to dally, dink it past a player, and play a low ball in. That isn't a bad thing, not by any means. If we had a late arriver on the edge of the box (hopefully Nolan), or if a striker could come deep and receive a pass, we'd get a lot more joy. Like i've said before, we might pass it around occassionally but still even then it's very route one. "Must get to byline, must cross." It doesn't have to be like that.

 

You're right about our movement being shit.

[AyeDubbleYoo]

Striking technique is absolutely key, you can generate a lot of power without as much effort if you can strike a ball cleanly.

[Guest sicko2ndbest]

Black people dont tend to have a problem shooting with power!!

 

Joke people, i'm joking

 

Power in a shot is a combination of strength, speed and technique.

 

Different examples

 

Beckham - Technique

Shearer - Strength

Henry - Speed

 

They obviously have a bit of all 3 but these are their main attributes

[Skirge]

Oba will attack a ball but he does not anticipate and make darting runs, Owen does but he aint a big target to aim for, we should have at least three players bursting a gut to get into the box when Jonas is on a run down the flank, he usally manages some kind of ball into the box, take the gamble in numbers into the box is what we need to do.

 

I know you're just generalising, Skirge - but in many cases that's what we can do with out. If Jonas makes it to the byline he isn't going to deliver a beautiful swerving cross - he's going to dally, dink it past a player, and play a low ball in. That isn't a bad thing, not by any means. If we had a late arriver on the edge of the box (hopefully Nolan), or if a striker could come deep and receive a pass, we'd get a lot more joy. Like i've said before, we might pass it around occassionally but still even then it's very route one. "Must get to byline, must cross." It doesn't have to be like that.

 

You're right about our movement being s***.

I know getting caught out by over comiting men forward is a worry but you have toi play the percentages and while Jonas is going on a run we have to back him up, loads of times he has to stop because there is only 1 of ours in the box and he is well marked, our two strikers should be getting in there looking at geting to one of the posts and a midfielder should be backing up on the edge of the box. You want your oposite side winger to be getting to the edge of the box on their side to back up incase the ball flies past everyone, but all we get is one or two makeing up the ground while the rest stand and watch.

[Guest Howaythetoon]

Black people dont tend to have a problem shooting with power!!

 

Joke people, i'm joking

 

Power in a shot is a combination of strength, speed and technique.

 

Different examples

 

Beckham - Technique

Shearer - Strength

Henry - Speed

 

They obviously have a bit of all 3 but these are their main attributes

 

All technique, nowt to do with strength or speed.

[Skirge]

TIMING HITTING THE BALL HARD IS DOWN TO TIMING!

 

 

[Guest sicko2ndbest]

Black people dont tend to have a problem shooting with power!!

 

Joke people, i'm joking

 

Power in a shot is a combination of strength, speed and technique.

 

Different examples

 

Beckham - Technique

Shearer - Strength

Henry - Speed

 

They obviously have a bit of all 3 but these are their main attributes

 

All technique, nowt to do with strength or speed.

 

Disagree. Technique is fine when you want to 'ping' a ball cross field, however to create shooting power you need a combination of the 3. Beckham dosnt have a wickedly powerful shot as Martins, Shearer or Robert had, because he does not have the leg speed or strength that they have.

[ElDiablo]

What rubbish, Wright-Phillips and Van Persie have two of the most powerful shots about and they're not exactly the most 'strong'.

[Guest Howaythetoon]

Black people dont tend to have a problem shooting with power!!

 

Joke people, i'm joking

 

Power in a shot is a combination of strength, speed and technique.

 

Different examples

 

Beckham - Technique

Shearer - Strength

Henry - Speed

 

They obviously have a bit of all 3 but these are their main attributes

 

All technique, nowt to do with strength or speed.

 

Disagree. Technique is fine when you want to 'ping' a ball cross field, however to create shooting power you need a combination of the 3. Beckham dosnt have a wickedly powerful shot as Martins, Shearer or Robert had, because he does not have the leg speed or strength that they have.

 

Technique is the "how" in regards to a player doing something, in this case shooting. It has nothing to do with speed or leg strength, it is about the swinging technique, part of foot used, body posture, timing, balance etc. - fuck all to do with how strong a player's legs are or how quick he is.

 

For example the traditional method of striking the ball hard is head and knee over the ball, back straight, standing leg about a ball's width away from the ball and pointing in the direction where you intend the ball to go, leg to swing like an axe, laces and follow through.

 

There is no mention of speed and leg strength because it has fuck all to do with power.

 

By the way shooting is all about accuracy and not power, 9 times out of 10 unless you have amazing technique your power shots will go high or wide or straight at the 'keeper.

 

Shearer had amazing shooting technique so he could hit the ball hard and get it on target or hit the back of the net, and his secret? A wall which he would bang the ball off constantly when he was a bairn, also the best method to develop your weaker foot.

 

Back to power, angles and motion are also important.

[Segun Oluwaniyi]

Shooting power is one of those things that takes good technique but is also partly genetic. Some players can train as hard as they want and practice and learn the technique every day but just will not have the physical ability to shoot as hard as some other players.

[Guest Heneage]

Black people dont tend to have a problem shooting with power!!

 

Joke people, i'm joking

 

 

So you are saying they do? Racist.

[LooneyToonArmy]

Jonas: NUFC new boys must be up for the fight

 

 

 

NEWCASTLE United winger Jonas Gutierrez has warned Toon new boys Kevin Nolan and Ryan Taylor that they must be up for the fight that lies ahead.

 

The Argentine winger won the man-of-the-match award in the derby game with Sunderland but is already focusing on the crunch clash at West Brom on Saturday.

 

Failure to win for United could see them crash to the bottom of the table – and Jonas admits Newcastle’s form has been causing him sleepless nights, with the 40-point safety target still 16 points away with 14 games to go.

 

Gutierrez told the Chronicle: “We have signed new players but they must be aware of the fight we face.

 

“I don’t think we can afford to lose more matches.

 

“We were a team that was hard to beat earlier in the season.

 

“But we’ve struggled because of the injuries.

 

“Now with new players coming in we must regroup and look to fight our way out of it.”

 

Toon boss Joe Kinnear has conceded that a huge fight against survival is all Newcastle have to play for in the remainder of the season, and Gutierrez echoed his concerns.

 

He said: “I will feel a lot happier when we reach 40 points.

 

“If we can get near that we will be safe.

 

“But until we reach it we have to keep looking behind us. All the matches will be very difficult.

 

“But we can only focus on one at a time.

 

“These are like cup finals for us.”

 

Newcastle put in a much- improved performance in the second period against Sunderland but still only salvaged a point.

 

United have picked up just two points from a possible 12 since being crushed 5-1 by Liverpool.

 

Gutierrez admits that United must start turning performances into wins.

 

He added: “We felt we had a lot of opportunities to win the game against Sunderland.

 

“Sadly we didn’t show enough conviction, but hopefully we can pick that up against West Brom.”

 

Gutierrez was delighted to see United colleague Shola Ameobi smash home the equaliser against the Wearsiders, and hopes that the goal on his return will lead to more strikes for the Nigerian-born player.

 

He said: “It was a good moment for Shola to score on his comeback from injury.

 

“Now I hope he can stay fit and get more goals.

 

“He is certainly going to be a key player for us because he has a lot of experience with this club.”

[Guest optimistic nit]

Black people dont tend to have a problem shooting with power!!

 

Joke people, i'm joking

 

Power in a shot is a combination of strength, speed and technique.

 

Different examples

 

Beckham - Technique

Shearer - Strength

Henry - Speed

 

They obviously have a bit of all 3 but these are their main attributes

 

All technique, nowt to do with strength or speed.

 

Disagree. Technique is fine when you want to 'ping' a ball cross field, however to create shooting power you need a combination of the 3. Beckham dosnt have a wickedly powerful shot as Martins, Shearer or Robert had, because he does not have the leg speed or strength that they have.

 

i dont have a clue what point you're trying to make here. power is fine, but while you can still hit a good shot without power if you have really good technique, if you're powerful but have poor shooting technique you will be shit at shooting. most of the more powerful players are defenders and def mids, who also coincidently can't shoot for shit (most of them). power is an added bonus, but not at all neccicary to score.