Did Keegan turn them all down?

[dcmk]

Everyone keeps saying IF ffs.

Fact is in Keegans own statement said he was undermined!  That meant he wasn't allowed to do his job and he was working with players he didnt want.  What kind of manager would take that?

 

Doesn't matter if the players were good or not, he didnt have final say.   

 

 

Did you bother to read anyone else's opinion, or did you just start spouting this s*** thoughtlessly...?

 

Keegan has lied repeatedly, why do you believe him? Of course he's not going to be honest and say "Yeah, if I hadn't have been so pig-headed and actually gotten on with the job I was hired to do, then I'd still be boss of NUFC"

 

 

 

You dont have a clue.

Ok...  point out any part of my post that is incorrect and then say im sprouting shit.  I'm solely going by what was written in Keegan's statement and lets be honest he knows alot more than you do.  You fool.

[Guest fraser]

 

Wise is in charge of Jimenez, Vetere, and the coaches, and reports directly to Llambias, it's quite clear:

 

http://www.nufc.premiumtv.co.uk/page/NewsDetail/0,,10278~1227633,00.html

 

He is clearly the one in ultimate charge of deciding who we sign and who we sell. If he chose to sign a player the manager specifically said he didn't want, which is Keegan's claim, then he is the person most responsible on the club's side for the consequences.

 

In such case I have no doubt whatsoever such a dispute would have been referred immediately to Llambias.

 

It's all speculation, but very good points are being made by the likes of KaKa, Edd, mrmojo et al - and not being adequately refuted. mrmojorisin75 suggests:

 

exactly edd - it all either points to something that wasn't cynical by the club but merely a breakdown over time between the parties involved

 

OR

 

keegan, as you say, was unhappy and had no say the whole time yet lied to the thousands of fans buying season tickets and let them pay 3 years in advance only to up ship and run at the last minute when it was all too late

 

if you believe he was lied to from day one then he's equally culpable in this respect, no?

 

So can Keegan's supporters please come up with something other than "It's all speculative bollocks" or "It's all Wise's fault"? UV asks

 

Yet you think Keegan signed up to be Jimenez' lacky? You think he signed up knowing the hierarchy would be Ashley -> Llambias -> Wise -> Jimenez -> Keegan

 

I'd hardly call the authorisation of spending millions of pounds on players micro-managing btw.

 

Well, yes and no.

 

He said (with some cheekiness I'm sure) "I didn't have a brochure this time. It came like a whirlwind it is like one of those Lastminute.com holidays! There was no brochure I just came." Secondly, Wise had yet to be appointed, though one must assume negotiations with Wise had already commenced. So no, Keegan was not explicitly told that the hierarchy was Ashley -> Llambias -> Wise -> Jimenez -> Keegan.

 

However, if you think Ashley and Mort hired Keegan without telling him about the imminent appointment of an executive director (football), that Ashley and Mort duped Keegan into believing he would be an old-school manager with sweeping powers while secretly planning to go in exactly the opposite direction, well... I'll take Kaka's logic over yours thanks.

 

 

raconteur, very few people want to hear this, instead they prefer the following word associations:

 

cockney, lies, wise, southerner, season tickets, 3 years, fabrication, conspiracy

 

KK, no wrong, innocent, victim, beyond criticism

 

i'm still astounded that after years of shepherd leasing warehouses to the club, ridiculing the supporters publicly, taking massive dividends despite deteriorating results on the pitch (etc...) was affored so much time and never once was there a talk of a boycott of club products, marches, none of this s***...before anyone starts about balancing the books i'll point you to bobby robsons first 2 seasons for a parrallel on spend and manager...also to the sacking of bobby as well really

 

is anyone gonna look me in the internet eye and tell me this doesn't just boil down to a nice bit of dirty regionalism against a southern owner and nasty dennis?

 

anyone?  really?

 

 

 

Well said.

 

Hopefully they take Keegan to court so the truth can come out and get the £2 million he owes the club in the process.

 

anyone wanting them to proceed with that legal action does not have the best interests of the club at heart. it'll just cause a shitload of bother for no good reason. even if they get their £2m, total phyrric victory beyond belief.

 

I have the best interests of the club at heart and it's why I want the record set straight, if Keegan wins in court then I'll happily back down and admit the club were in the wrong but if they win then I hope people drop the emotional s**** and admit Keegan is in the wrong.

 

naive or daft (one of them) to think going to court is in the best interests of the club or the fans. even with they win - which wouldnt prove that much anyway, nor would losing, as it deals with legal technicalities which are only of interest to scrounging lawyers - how do you think it would make 90% of fans feel that the club, rich and owned by a billionaire, is stripping one of the greatest men in the club's history for £2m, for no other reason than they can. if they do that they just want to 'win' a legal argument rather than do what is in our best interests. they dont need the money, keegan probably does.

 

do you think it was in the best interests of the club and fans to release that silly statement of theirs, too?

 

No I don't, I think the statement was dropping down to his level exchanging insults, with the quick response from the LMA they were expecting it.

 

The truth coming out is worth more to Ashley than £2 million, how many people do you think will stop this boycott of club products if the truth comes out that they're not to blame? I'd say quite a few.

 

The costs will be immense; Keegan will no doubt have sought advice before resigning and will have acted upon it. This means that an employment lawyer somewhere thinks he has a case whether it's breach of contract or constructive dismissal. The £2m could be dwarved by costs and the outcome uncertain.

 

Who is going to pay these massive costs to Keegan? Will they come out of Ashley's private bank account or will NUFC be footing the bill?

 

The LMA will fund Keegan in all likelihood, like most professional associations would if it were assessed there is a reasonable chance of winning the case; he's probably already had this advice and this would account for his resignation. The most likely outcome is a settlement and a non-disclosure agreement. The truth for either side is unlikely to come out.

 

That's not really answering the question which was asked.

 

I'm not suggesting that massive costs would be paid to Keegan rather simply that massive costs would be incurred in the prosecution or defence of a case concerning Keegan's employment and its subsequent termination. The most likely outcome is a settlement and NDA.

[Mick]

 

The LMA will fund Keegan in all likelihood, like most professional associations would if it were assessed there is a reasonable chance of winning the case; he's probably already had this advice and this would account for his resignation. The most likely outcome is a settlement and a non-disclosure agreement. The truth for either side is unlikely to come out.

 

The LMA will have a lawyer which will fight the case and it'll not cost Keegan a penny.  Keegan may have resigned before the case was assessed so I wouldn't take his resignation as a sign that he will win a case if it comes to that.

[afar]

OK just read a couple of posts here, seems we are having the same debate over 4 or 5 threads atm. Anyway forgive if the debate has moved on from this.

 

Just wanted to point out that there is a simple way for "the truth to come out" as some are calling for. The club can start communicating with the fans. Tell us exactly what happened over the week and probably before. Lay out an honest account, with a timeline of events, let us make our own mind up on who's to blame.

 

I find it quite shocking tbh, that we have seen not a single direct quote from owner or any of the directors since the close of the window. Nothing but faceless club statements (and not too many of them) have been issued.

 

Of course we could as KK to do the same, give us his account of events as they unfolded.

 

It's washing our dirty laundry in public but the alternative of hearsay and rumour is just as damaging to the club.

[TRon]

 

Wise is in charge of Jimenez, Vetere, and the coaches, and reports directly to Llambias, it's quite clear:

 

http://www.nufc.premiumtv.co.uk/page/NewsDetail/0,,10278~1227633,00.html

 

He is clearly the one in ultimate charge of deciding who we sign and who we sell. If he chose to sign a player the manager specifically said he didn't want, which is Keegan's claim, then he is the person most responsible on the club's side for the consequences.

 

In such case I have no doubt whatsoever such a dispute would have been referred immediately to Llambias.

 

It's all speculation, but very good points are being made by the likes of KaKa, Edd, mrmojo et al - and not being adequately refuted. mrmojorisin75 suggests:

 

exactly edd - it all either points to something that wasn't cynical by the club but merely a breakdown over time between the parties involved

 

OR

 

keegan, as you say, was unhappy and had no say the whole time yet lied to the thousands of fans buying season tickets and let them pay 3 years in advance only to up ship and run at the last minute when it was all too late

 

if you believe he was lied to from day one then he's equally culpable in this respect, no?

 

So can Keegan's supporters please come up with something other than "It's all speculative bollocks" or "It's all Wise's fault"? UV asks

 

Yet you think Keegan signed up to be Jimenez' lacky? You think he signed up knowing the hierarchy would be Ashley -> Llambias -> Wise -> Jimenez -> Keegan

 

I'd hardly call the authorisation of spending millions of pounds on players micro-managing btw.

 

Well, yes and no.

 

He said (with some cheekiness I'm sure) "I didn't have a brochure this time. It came like a whirlwind it is like one of those Lastminute.com holidays! There was no brochure I just came." Secondly, Wise had yet to be appointed, though one must assume negotiations with Wise had already commenced. So no, Keegan was not explicitly told that the hierarchy was Ashley -> Llambias -> Wise -> Jimenez -> Keegan.

 

However, if you think Ashley and Mort hired Keegan without telling him about the imminent appointment of an executive director (football), that Ashley and Mort duped Keegan into believing he would be an old-school manager with sweeping powers while secretly planning to go in exactly the opposite direction, well... I'll take Kaka's logic over yours thanks.

 

 

raconteur, very few people want to hear this, instead they prefer the following word associations:

 

cockney, lies, wise, southerner, season tickets, 3 years, fabrication, conspiracy

 

KK, no wrong, innocent, victim, beyond criticism

 

i'm still astounded that after years of shepherd leasing warehouses to the club, ridiculing the supporters publicly, taking massive dividends despite deteriorating results on the pitch (etc...) was affored so much time and never once was there a talk of a boycott of club products, marches, none of this s***...before anyone starts about balancing the books i'll point you to bobby robsons first 2 seasons for a parrallel on spend and manager...also to the sacking of bobby as well really

 

is anyone gonna look me in the internet eye and tell me this doesn't just boil down to a nice bit of dirty regionalism against a southern owner and nasty dennis?

 

anyone?  really?

 

 

 

Well said.

 

Hopefully they take Keegan to court so the truth can come out and get the £2 million he owes the club in the process.

 

anyone wanting them to proceed with that legal action does not have the best interests of the club at heart. it'll just cause a shitload of bother for no good reason. even if they get their £2m, total phyrric victory beyond belief.

 

I have the best interests of the club at heart and it's why I want the record set straight, if Keegan wins in court then I'll happily back down and admit the club were in the wrong but if they win then I hope people drop the emotional s**** and admit Keegan is in the wrong.

 

naive or daft (one of them) to think going to court is in the best interests of the club or the fans. even with they win - which wouldnt prove that much anyway, nor would losing, as it deals with legal technicalities which are only of interest to scrounging lawyers - how do you think it would make 90% of fans feel that the club, rich and owned by a billionaire, is stripping one of the greatest men in the club's history for £2m, for no other reason than they can. if they do that they just want to 'win' a legal argument rather than do what is in our best interests. they dont need the money, keegan probably does.

 

do you think it was in the best interests of the club and fans to release that silly statement of theirs, too?

 

No I don't, I think the statement was dropping down to his level exchanging insults, with the quick response from the LMA they were expecting it.

 

The truth coming out is worth more to Ashley than £2 million, how many people do you think will stop this boycott of club products if the truth comes out that they're not to blame? I'd say quite a few.

 

The costs will be immense; Keegan will no doubt have sought advice before resigning and will have acted upon it. This means that an employment lawyer somewhere thinks he has a case whether it's breach of contract or constructive dismissal. The £2m could be dwarved by costs and the outcome uncertain.

 

Who is going to pay these massive costs to Keegan? Will they come out of Ashley's private bank account or will NUFC be footing the bill?

 

The LMA will fund Keegan in all likelihood, like most professional associations would if it were assessed there is a reasonable chance of winning the case; he's probably already had this advice and this would account for his resignation. The most likely outcome is a settlement and a non-disclosure agreement. The truth for either side is unlikely to come out.

 

That's not really answering the question which was asked.

 

I'm not suggesting that massive costs would be paid to Keegan rather simply that massive costs would be incurred in the prosecution or defence of a case concerning Keegan's employment and its subsequent termination. The most likely outcome is a settlement and NDA.

 

What I asked was, who would be paying the costs? Ashley from his own personal bank account, or Newcastle United Football Club?

[Mick]

 

What I asked was, who would be paying the costs? Ashley from his own personal bank account, or Newcastle United Football Club?

 

Why does it matter?

[Dave]

 

Wise is in charge of Jimenez, Vetere, and the coaches, and reports directly to Llambias, it's quite clear:

 

http://www.nufc.premiumtv.co.uk/page/NewsDetail/0,,10278~1227633,00.html

 

He is clearly the one in ultimate charge of deciding who we sign and who we sell. If he chose to sign a player the manager specifically said he didn't want, which is Keegan's claim, then he is the person most responsible on the club's side for the consequences.

 

In such case I have no doubt whatsoever such a dispute would have been referred immediately to Llambias.

 

It's all speculation, but very good points are being made by the likes of KaKa, Edd, mrmojo et al - and not being adequately refuted. mrmojorisin75 suggests:

 

exactly edd - it all either points to something that wasn't cynical by the club but merely a breakdown over time between the parties involved

 

OR

 

keegan, as you say, was unhappy and had no say the whole time yet lied to the thousands of fans buying season tickets and let them pay 3 years in advance only to up ship and run at the last minute when it was all too late

 

if you believe he was lied to from day one then he's equally culpable in this respect, no?

 

So can Keegan's supporters please come up with something other than "It's all speculative bollocks" or "It's all Wise's fault"? UV asks

 

Yet you think Keegan signed up to be Jimenez' lacky? You think he signed up knowing the hierarchy would be Ashley -> Llambias -> Wise -> Jimenez -> Keegan

 

I'd hardly call the authorisation of spending millions of pounds on players micro-managing btw.

 

Well, yes and no.

 

He said (with some cheekiness I'm sure) "I didn't have a brochure this time. It came like a whirlwind it is like one of those Lastminute.com holidays! There was no brochure I just came." Secondly, Wise had yet to be appointed, though one must assume negotiations with Wise had already commenced. So no, Keegan was not explicitly told that the hierarchy was Ashley -> Llambias -> Wise -> Jimenez -> Keegan.

 

However, if you think Ashley and Mort hired Keegan without telling him about the imminent appointment of an executive director (football), that Ashley and Mort duped Keegan into believing he would be an old-school manager with sweeping powers while secretly planning to go in exactly the opposite direction, well... I'll take Kaka's logic over yours thanks.

 

 

raconteur, very few people want to hear this, instead they prefer the following word associations:

 

cockney, lies, wise, southerner, season tickets, 3 years, fabrication, conspiracy

 

KK, no wrong, innocent, victim, beyond criticism

 

i'm still astounded that after years of shepherd leasing warehouses to the club, ridiculing the supporters publicly, taking massive dividends despite deteriorating results on the pitch (etc...) was affored so much time and never once was there a talk of a boycott of club products, marches, none of this s***...before anyone starts about balancing the books i'll point you to bobby robsons first 2 seasons for a parrallel on spend and manager...also to the sacking of bobby as well really

 

is anyone gonna look me in the internet eye and tell me this doesn't just boil down to a nice bit of dirty regionalism against a southern owner and nasty dennis?

 

anyone?  really?

 

 

 

Well said.

 

Hopefully they take Keegan to court so the truth can come out and get the £2 million he owes the club in the process.

 

anyone wanting them to proceed with that legal action does not have the best interests of the club at heart. it'll just cause a shitload of bother for no good reason. even if they get their £2m, total phyrric victory beyond belief.

 

I have the best interests of the club at heart and it's why I want the record set straight, if Keegan wins in court then I'll happily back down and admit the club were in the wrong but if they win then I hope people drop the emotional s**** and admit Keegan is in the wrong.

 

naive or daft (one of them) to think going to court is in the best interests of the club or the fans. even with they win - which wouldnt prove that much anyway, nor would losing, as it deals with legal technicalities which are only of interest to scrounging lawyers - how do you think it would make 90% of fans feel that the club, rich and owned by a billionaire, is stripping one of the greatest men in the club's history for £2m, for no other reason than they can. if they do that they just want to 'win' a legal argument rather than do what is in our best interests. they dont need the money, keegan probably does.

 

do you think it was in the best interests of the club and fans to release that silly statement of theirs, too?

 

No I don't, I think the statement was dropping down to his level exchanging insults, with the quick response from the LMA they were expecting it.

 

The truth coming out is worth more to Ashley than £2 million, how many people do you think will stop this boycott of club products if the truth comes out that they're not to blame? I'd say quite a few.

 

The costs will be immense; Keegan will no doubt have sought advice before resigning and will have acted upon it. This means that an employment lawyer somewhere thinks he has a case whether it's breach of contract or constructive dismissal. The £2m could be dwarved by costs and the outcome uncertain.

 

Who is going to pay these massive costs to Keegan? Will they come out of Ashley's private bank account or will NUFC be footing the bill?

 

The LMA will fund Keegan in all likelihood, like most professional associations would if it were assessed there is a reasonable chance of winning the case; he's probably already had this advice and this would account for his resignation. The most likely outcome is a settlement and a non-disclosure agreement. The truth for either side is unlikely to come out.

 

That's not really answering the question which was asked.

 

I'm not suggesting that massive costs would be paid to Keegan rather simply that massive costs would be incurred in the prosecution or defence of a case concerning Keegan's employment and its subsequent termination. The most likely outcome is a settlement and NDA.

 

What I asked was, who would be paying the costs? Ashley from his own personal bank account, or Newcastle United Football Club?

 

I just wanted to quote this.

[TRon]

 

What I asked was, who would be paying the costs? Ashley from his own personal bank account, or Newcastle United Football Club?

 

Why does it matter?

 

I just think it's worth establishing that it's not Mike Ashley who Keegan is going to be suing for £2m, it's our football club. Fine if he wins the case he's entitled to it, but everyone should be aware that Ashley personally won't lose a penny so satisfaction at his losses should probably be less jubilant.

[afar]

 

Wise is in charge of Jimenez, Vetere, and the coaches, and reports directly to Llambias, it's quite clear:

 

http://www.nufc.premiumtv.co.uk/page/NewsDetail/0,,10278~1227633,00.html

 

He is clearly the one in ultimate charge of deciding who we sign and who we sell. If he chose to sign a player the manager specifically said he didn't want, which is Keegan's claim, then he is the person most responsible on the club's side for the consequences.

 

In such case I have no doubt whatsoever such a dispute would have been referred immediately to Llambias.

 

It's all speculation, but very good points are being made by the likes of KaKa, Edd, mrmojo et al - and not being adequately refuted. mrmojorisin75 suggests:

 

exactly edd - it all either points to something that wasn't cynical by the club but merely a breakdown over time between the parties involved

 

OR

 

keegan, as you say, was unhappy and had no say the whole time yet lied to the thousands of fans buying season tickets and let them pay 3 years in advance only to up ship and run at the last minute when it was all too late

 

if you believe he was lied to from day one then he's equally culpable in this respect, no?

 

So can Keegan's supporters please come up with something other than "It's all speculative bollocks" or "It's all Wise's fault"? UV asks

 

Yet you think Keegan signed up to be Jimenez' lacky? You think he signed up knowing the hierarchy would be Ashley -> Llambias -> Wise -> Jimenez -> Keegan

 

I'd hardly call the authorisation of spending millions of pounds on players micro-managing btw.

 

Well, yes and no.

 

He said (with some cheekiness I'm sure) "I didn't have a brochure this time. It came like a whirlwind — it is like one of those Lastminute.com holidays! There was no brochure — I just came." Secondly, Wise had yet to be appointed, though one must assume negotiations with Wise had already commenced. So no, Keegan was not explicitly told that the hierarchy was Ashley -> Llambias -> Wise -> Jimenez -> Keegan.

 

However, if you think Ashley and Mort hired Keegan without telling him about the imminent appointment of an executive director (football), that Ashley and Mort duped Keegan into believing he would be an old-school manager with sweeping powers while secretly planning to go in exactly the opposite direction, well... I'll take Kaka's logic over yours thanks.

 

 

raconteur, very few people want to hear this, instead they prefer the following word associations:

 

cockney, lies, wise, southerner, season tickets, 3 years, fabrication, conspiracy

 

KK, no wrong, innocent, victim, beyond criticism

 

i'm still astounded that after years of shepherd leasing warehouses to the club, ridiculing the supporters publicly, taking massive dividends despite deteriorating results on the pitch (etc...) was affored so much time and never once was there a talk of a boycott of club products, marches, none of this s***...before anyone starts about balancing the books i'll point you to bobby robsons first 2 seasons for a parrallel on spend and manager...also to the sacking of bobby as well really

 

is anyone gonna look me in the internet eye and tell me this doesn't just boil down to a nice bit of dirty regionalism against a southern owner and nasty dennis?

 

anyone?  really?

 

 

 

Well said.

 

Hopefully they take Keegan to court so the truth can come out and get the £2 million he owes the club in the process.

 

anyone wanting them to proceed with that legal action does not have the best interests of the club at heart. it'll just cause a shitload of bother for no good reason. even if they get their £2m, total phyrric victory beyond belief.

 

I have the best interests of the club at heart and it's why I want the record set straight, if Keegan wins in court then I'll happily back down and admit the club were in the wrong but if they win then I hope people drop the emotional s**** and admit Keegan is in the wrong.

 

naive or daft (one of them) to think going to court is in the best interests of the club or the fans. even with they win - which wouldnt prove that much anyway, nor would losing, as it deals with legal technicalities which are only of interest to scrounging lawyers - how do you think it would make 90% of fans feel that the club, rich and owned by a billionaire, is stripping one of the greatest men in the club's history for £2m, for no other reason than they can. if they do that they just want to 'win' a legal argument rather than do what is in our best interests. they dont need the money, keegan probably does.

 

do you think it was in the best interests of the club and fans to release that silly statement of theirs, too?

 

No I don't, I think the statement was dropping down to his level exchanging insults, with the quick response from the LMA they were expecting it.

 

The truth coming out is worth more to Ashley than £2 million, how many people do you think will stop this boycott of club products if the truth comes out that they're not to blame? I'd say quite a few.

 

The costs will be immense; Keegan will no doubt have sought advice before resigning and will have acted upon it. This means that an employment lawyer somewhere thinks he has a case whether it's breach of contract or constructive dismissal. The £2m could be dwarved by costs and the outcome uncertain.

 

Who is going to pay these massive costs to Keegan? Will they come out of Ashley's private bank account or will NUFC be footing the bill?

 

The LMA will fund Keegan in all likelihood, like most professional associations would if it were assessed there is a reasonable chance of winning the case; he's probably already had this advice and this would account for his resignation. The most likely outcome is a settlement and a non-disclosure agreement. The truth for either side is unlikely to come out.

 

That's not really answering the question which was asked.

 

I'm not suggesting that massive costs would be paid to Keegan rather simply that massive costs would be incurred in the prosecution or defence of a case concerning Keegan's employment and its subsequent termination. The most likely outcome is a settlement and NDA.

 

What I asked was, who would be paying the costs? Ashley from his own personal bank account, or Newcastle United Football Club?

 

I just wanted to quote this.

 

You do realise by doing this you are helping loose a rather excellent post by me further up 

 

Can't believe no one has quoted me with a little clapping smiley or thumbs up one, you ungrateful bastards 

[Mick]

 

I just think it's worth establishing that it's not Mike Ashley who Keegan is going to be suing for £2m, it's our football club. Fine if he wins the case he's entitled to it, but everyone should be aware that Ashley personally won't lose a penny so satisfaction at his losses should probably be less jubilant.

 

The same could have been said for almost every manager we've had for as long as I can remember.

[TRon]

 

I just think it's worth establishing that it's not Mike Ashley who Keegan is going to be suing for £2m, it's our football club. Fine if he wins the case he's entitled to it, but everyone should be aware that Ashley personally won't lose a penny so satisfaction at his losses should probably be less jubilant.

 

The same could have been said for almost every manager we've had for as long as I can remember.

 

I know. I'm just pointing it out because some numb nuts probably haven't figured it out yet.

[Syrette]

 

Wise is in charge of Jimenez, Vetere, and the coaches, and reports directly to Llambias, it's quite clear:

 

http://www.nufc.premiumtv.co.uk/page/NewsDetail/0,,10278~1227633,00.html

 

He is clearly the one in ultimate charge of deciding who we sign and who we sell. If he chose to sign a player the manager specifically said he didn't want, which is Keegan's claim, then he is the person most responsible on the club's side for the consequences.

 

In such case I have no doubt whatsoever such a dispute would have been referred immediately to Llambias.

 

It's all speculation, but very good points are being made by the likes of KaKa, Edd, mrmojo et al - and not being adequately refuted. mrmojorisin75 suggests:

 

exactly edd - it all either points to something that wasn't cynical by the club but merely a breakdown over time between the parties involved

 

OR

 

keegan, as you say, was unhappy and had no say the whole time yet lied to the thousands of fans buying season tickets and let them pay 3 years in advance only to up ship and run at the last minute when it was all too late

 

if you believe he was lied to from day one then he's equally culpable in this respect, no?

 

So can Keegan's supporters please come up with something other than "It's all speculative bollocks" or "It's all Wise's fault"? UV asks

 

Yet you think Keegan signed up to be Jimenez' lacky? You think he signed up knowing the hierarchy would be Ashley -> Llambias -> Wise -> Jimenez -> Keegan

 

I'd hardly call the authorisation of spending millions of pounds on players micro-managing btw.

 

Well, yes and no.

 

He said (with some cheekiness I'm sure) "I didn't have a brochure this time. It came like a whirlwind — it is like one of those Lastminute.com holidays! There was no brochure — I just came." Secondly, Wise had yet to be appointed, though one must assume negotiations with Wise had already commenced. So no, Keegan was not explicitly told that the hierarchy was Ashley -> Llambias -> Wise -> Jimenez -> Keegan.

 

However, if you think Ashley and Mort hired Keegan without telling him about the imminent appointment of an executive director (football), that Ashley and Mort duped Keegan into believing he would be an old-school manager with sweeping powers while secretly planning to go in exactly the opposite direction, well... I'll take Kaka's logic over yours thanks.

 

 

raconteur, very few people want to hear this, instead they prefer the following word associations:

 

cockney, lies, wise, southerner, season tickets, 3 years, fabrication, conspiracy

 

KK, no wrong, innocent, victim, beyond criticism

 

i'm still astounded that after years of shepherd leasing warehouses to the club, ridiculing the supporters publicly, taking massive dividends despite deteriorating results on the pitch (etc...) was affored so much time and never once was there a talk of a boycott of club products, marches, none of this s***...before anyone starts about balancing the books i'll point you to bobby robsons first 2 seasons for a parrallel on spend and manager...also to the sacking of bobby as well really

 

is anyone gonna look me in the internet eye and tell me this doesn't just boil down to a nice bit of dirty regionalism against a southern owner and nasty dennis?

 

anyone?  really?

 

 

 

Well said.

 

Hopefully they take Keegan to court so the truth can come out and get the £2 million he owes the club in the process.

 

anyone wanting them to proceed with that legal action does not have the best interests of the club at heart. it'll just cause a shitload of bother for no good reason. even if they get their £2m, total phyrric victory beyond belief.

 

I have the best interests of the club at heart and it's why I want the record set straight, if Keegan wins in court then I'll happily back down and admit the club were in the wrong but if they win then I hope people drop the emotional s**** and admit Keegan is in the wrong.

 

naive or daft (one of them) to think going to court is in the best interests of the club or the fans. even with they win - which wouldnt prove that much anyway, nor would losing, as it deals with legal technicalities which are only of interest to scrounging lawyers - how do you think it would make 90% of fans feel that the club, rich and owned by a billionaire, is stripping one of the greatest men in the club's history for £2m, for no other reason than they can. if they do that they just want to 'win' a legal argument rather than do what is in our best interests. they dont need the money, keegan probably does.

 

do you think it was in the best interests of the club and fans to release that silly statement of theirs, too?

 

No I don't, I think the statement was dropping down to his level exchanging insults, with the quick response from the LMA they were expecting it.

 

The truth coming out is worth more to Ashley than £2 million, how many people do you think will stop this boycott of club products if the truth comes out that they're not to blame? I'd say quite a few.

 

The costs will be immense; Keegan will no doubt have sought advice before resigning and will have acted upon it. This means that an employment lawyer somewhere thinks he has a case whether it's breach of contract or constructive dismissal. The £2m could be dwarved by costs and the outcome uncertain.

 

Who is going to pay these massive costs to Keegan? Will they come out of Ashley's private bank account or will NUFC be footing the bill?

 

The LMA will fund Keegan in all likelihood, like most professional associations would if it were assessed there is a reasonable chance of winning the case; he's probably already had this advice and this would account for his resignation. The most likely outcome is a settlement and a non-disclosure agreement. The truth for either side is unlikely to come out.

 

That's not really answering the question which was asked.

 

I'm not suggesting that massive costs would be paid to Keegan rather simply that massive costs would be incurred in the prosecution or defence of a case concerning Keegan's employment and its subsequent termination. The most likely outcome is a settlement and NDA.

 

What I asked was, who would be paying the costs? Ashley from his own personal bank account, or Newcastle United Football Club?

 

I just wanted to quote this.

 

You do realise by doing this you are helping loose a rather excellent post by me further up 

 

Can't believe no one has quoted me with a little clapping smiley or thumbs up one, you ungrateful bastards 

 

[afar]

 

Wise is in charge of Jimenez, Vetere, and the coaches, and reports directly to Llambias, it's quite clear:

 

http://www.nufc.premiumtv.co.uk/page/NewsDetail/0,,10278~1227633,00.html

 

He is clearly the one in ultimate charge of deciding who we sign and who we sell. If he chose to sign a player the manager specifically said he didn't want, which is Keegan's claim, then he is the person most responsible on the club's side for the consequences.

 

In such case I have no doubt whatsoever such a dispute would have been referred immediately to Llambias.

 

It's all speculation, but very good points are being made by the likes of KaKa, Edd, mrmojo et al - and not being adequately refuted. mrmojorisin75 suggests:

 

exactly edd - it all either points to something that wasn't cynical by the club but merely a breakdown over time between the parties involved

 

OR

 

keegan, as you say, was unhappy and had no say the whole time yet lied to the thousands of fans buying season tickets and let them pay 3 years in advance only to up ship and run at the last minute when it was all too late

 

if you believe he was lied to from day one then he's equally culpable in this respect, no?

 

So can Keegan's supporters please come up with something other than "It's all speculative bollocks" or "It's all Wise's fault"? UV asks

 

Yet you think Keegan signed up to be Jimenez' lacky? You think he signed up knowing the hierarchy would be Ashley -> Llambias -> Wise -> Jimenez -> Keegan

 

I'd hardly call the authorisation of spending millions of pounds on players micro-managing btw.

 

Well, yes and no.

 

He said (with some cheekiness I'm sure) "I didn't have a brochure this time. It came like a whirlwind it is like one of those Lastminute.com holidays! There was no brochure I just came." Secondly, Wise had yet to be appointed, though one must assume negotiations with Wise had already commenced. So no, Keegan was not explicitly told that the hierarchy was Ashley -> Llambias -> Wise -> Jimenez -> Keegan.

 

However, if you think Ashley and Mort hired Keegan without telling him about the imminent appointment of an executive director (football), that Ashley and Mort duped Keegan into believing he would be an old-school manager with sweeping powers while secretly planning to go in exactly the opposite direction, well... I'll take Kaka's logic over yours thanks.

 

 

raconteur, very few people want to hear this, instead they prefer the following word associations:

 

cockney, lies, wise, southerner, season tickets, 3 years, fabrication, conspiracy

 

KK, no wrong, innocent, victim, beyond criticism

 

i'm still astounded that after years of shepherd leasing warehouses to the club, ridiculing the supporters publicly, taking massive dividends despite deteriorating results on the pitch (etc...) was affored so much time and never once was there a talk of a boycott of club products, marches, none of this s***...before anyone starts about balancing the books i'll point you to bobby robsons first 2 seasons for a parrallel on spend and manager...also to the sacking of bobby as well really

 

is anyone gonna look me in the internet eye and tell me this doesn't just boil down to a nice bit of dirty regionalism against a southern owner and nasty dennis?

 

anyone?  really?

 

 

 

Well said.

 

Hopefully they take Keegan to court so the truth can come out and get the £2 million he owes the club in the process.

 

anyone wanting them to proceed with that legal action does not have the best interests of the club at heart. it'll just cause a shitload of bother for no good reason. even if they get their £2m, total phyrric victory beyond belief.

 

I have the best interests of the club at heart and it's why I want the record set straight, if Keegan wins in court then I'll happily back down and admit the club were in the wrong but if they win then I hope people drop the emotional s**** and admit Keegan is in the wrong.

 

naive or daft (one of them) to think going to court is in the best interests of the club or the fans. even with they win - which wouldnt prove that much anyway, nor would losing, as it deals with legal technicalities which are only of interest to scrounging lawyers - how do you think it would make 90% of fans feel that the club, rich and owned by a billionaire, is stripping one of the greatest men in the club's history for £2m, for no other reason than they can. if they do that they just want to 'win' a legal argument rather than do what is in our best interests. they dont need the money, keegan probably does.

 

do you think it was in the best interests of the club and fans to release that silly statement of theirs, too?

 

No I don't, I think the statement was dropping down to his level exchanging insults, with the quick response from the LMA they were expecting it.

 

The truth coming out is worth more to Ashley than £2 million, how many people do you think will stop this boycott of club products if the truth comes out that they're not to blame? I'd say quite a few.

 

The costs will be immense; Keegan will no doubt have sought advice before resigning and will have acted upon it. This means that an employment lawyer somewhere thinks he has a case whether it's breach of contract or constructive dismissal. The £2m could be dwarved by costs and the outcome uncertain.

 

Who is going to pay these massive costs to Keegan? Will they come out of Ashley's private bank account or will NUFC be footing the bill?

 

The LMA will fund Keegan in all likelihood, like most professional associations would if it were assessed there is a reasonable chance of winning the case; he's probably already had this advice and this would account for his resignation. The most likely outcome is a settlement and a non-disclosure agreement. The truth for either side is unlikely to come out.

 

That's not really answering the question which was asked.

 

I'm not suggesting that massive costs would be paid to Keegan rather simply that massive costs would be incurred in the prosecution or defence of a case concerning Keegan's employment and its subsequent termination. The most likely outcome is a settlement and NDA.

 

What I asked was, who would be paying the costs? Ashley from his own personal bank account, or Newcastle United Football Club?

 

I just wanted to quote this.

 

You do realise by doing this you are helping loose a rather excellent post by me further up 

 

Can't believe no one has quoted me with a little clapping smiley or thumbs up one, you ungrateful bastards 

 

 

Well that wasn't exactly what I was after

[Syrette]

 

Wise is in charge of Jimenez, Vetere, and the coaches, and reports directly to Llambias, it's quite clear:

 

http://www.nufc.premiumtv.co.uk/page/NewsDetail/0,,10278~1227633,00.html

 

He is clearly the one in ultimate charge of deciding who we sign and who we sell. If he chose to sign a player the manager specifically said he didn't want, which is Keegan's claim, then he is the person most responsible on the club's side for the consequences.

 

In such case I have no doubt whatsoever such a dispute would have been referred immediately to Llambias.

 

It's all speculation, but very good points are being made by the likes of KaKa, Edd, mrmojo et al - and not being adequately refuted. mrmojorisin75 suggests:

 

exactly edd - it all either points to something that wasn't cynical by the club but merely a breakdown over time between the parties involved

 

OR

 

keegan, as you say, was unhappy and had no say the whole time yet lied to the thousands of fans buying season tickets and let them pay 3 years in advance only to up ship and run at the last minute when it was all too late

 

if you believe he was lied to from day one then he's equally culpable in this respect, no?

 

So can Keegan's supporters please come up with something other than "It's all speculative bollocks" or "It's all Wise's fault"? UV asks

 

Yet you think Keegan signed up to be Jimenez' lacky? You think he signed up knowing the hierarchy would be Ashley -> Llambias -> Wise -> Jimenez -> Keegan

 

I'd hardly call the authorisation of spending millions of pounds on players micro-managing btw.

 

Well, yes and no.

 

He said (with some cheekiness I'm sure) "I didn't have a brochure this time. It came like a whirlwind it is like one of those Lastminute.com holidays! There was no brochure I just came." Secondly, Wise had yet to be appointed, though one must assume negotiations with Wise had already commenced. So no, Keegan was not explicitly told that the hierarchy was Ashley -> Llambias -> Wise -> Jimenez -> Keegan.

 

However, if you think Ashley and Mort hired Keegan without telling him about the imminent appointment of an executive director (football), that Ashley and Mort duped Keegan into believing he would be an old-school manager with sweeping powers while secretly planning to go in exactly the opposite direction, well... I'll take Kaka's logic over yours thanks.

 

 

raconteur, very few people want to hear this, instead they prefer the following word associations:

 

cockney, lies, wise, southerner, season tickets, 3 years, fabrication, conspiracy

 

KK, no wrong, innocent, victim, beyond criticism

 

i'm still astounded that after years of shepherd leasing warehouses to the club, ridiculing the supporters publicly, taking massive dividends despite deteriorating results on the pitch (etc...) was affored so much time and never once was there a talk of a boycott of club products, marches, none of this s***...before anyone starts about balancing the books i'll point you to bobby robsons first 2 seasons for a parrallel on spend and manager...also to the sacking of bobby as well really

 

is anyone gonna look me in the internet eye and tell me this doesn't just boil down to a nice bit of dirty regionalism against a southern owner and nasty dennis?

 

anyone?  really?

 

 

 

Well said.

 

Hopefully they take Keegan to court so the truth can come out and get the £2 million he owes the club in the process.

 

anyone wanting them to proceed with that legal action does not have the best interests of the club at heart. it'll just cause a shitload of bother for no good reason. even if they get their £2m, total phyrric victory beyond belief.

 

I have the best interests of the club at heart and it's why I want the record set straight, if Keegan wins in court then I'll happily back down and admit the club were in the wrong but if they win then I hope people drop the emotional s**** and admit Keegan is in the wrong.

 

naive or daft (one of them) to think going to court is in the best interests of the club or the fans. even with they win - which wouldnt prove that much anyway, nor would losing, as it deals with legal technicalities which are only of interest to scrounging lawyers - how do you think it would make 90% of fans feel that the club, rich and owned by a billionaire, is stripping one of the greatest men in the club's history for £2m, for no other reason than they can. if they do that they just want to 'win' a legal argument rather than do what is in our best interests. they dont need the money, keegan probably does.

 

do you think it was in the best interests of the club and fans to release that silly statement of theirs, too?

 

No I don't, I think the statement was dropping down to his level exchanging insults, with the quick response from the LMA they were expecting it.

 

The truth coming out is worth more to Ashley than £2 million, how many people do you think will stop this boycott of club products if the truth comes out that they're not to blame? I'd say quite a few.

 

The costs will be immense; Keegan will no doubt have sought advice before resigning and will have acted upon it. This means that an employment lawyer somewhere thinks he has a case whether it's breach of contract or constructive dismissal. The £2m could be dwarved by costs and the outcome uncertain.

 

Who is going to pay these massive costs to Keegan? Will they come out of Ashley's private bank account or will NUFC be footing the bill?

 

The LMA will fund Keegan in all likelihood, like most professional associations would if it were assessed there is a reasonable chance of winning the case; he's probably already had this advice and this would account for his resignation. The most likely outcome is a settlement and a non-disclosure agreement. The truth for either side is unlikely to come out.

 

That's not really answering the question which was asked.

 

I'm not suggesting that massive costs would be paid to Keegan rather simply that massive costs would be incurred in the prosecution or defence of a case concerning Keegan's employment and its subsequent termination. The most likely outcome is a settlement and NDA.

 

What I asked was, who would be paying the costs? Ashley from his own personal bank account, or Newcastle United Football Club?

 

I just wanted to quote this.

 

You do realise by doing this you are helping loose a rather excellent post by me further up 

 

Can't believe no one has quoted me with a little clapping smiley or thumbs up one, you ungrateful bastards 

 

 

Well that wasn't exactly what I was after

 

Who is being ungrateful now?

[afar]

 

Wise is in charge of Jimenez, Vetere, and the coaches, and reports directly to Llambias, it's quite clear:

 

http://www.nufc.premiumtv.co.uk/page/NewsDetail/0,,10278~1227633,00.html

 

He is clearly the one in ultimate charge of deciding who we sign and who we sell. If he chose to sign a player the manager specifically said he didn't want, which is Keegan's claim, then he is the person most responsible on the club's side for the consequences.

 

In such case I have no doubt whatsoever such a dispute would have been referred immediately to Llambias.

 

It's all speculation, but very good points are being made by the likes of KaKa, Edd, mrmojo et al - and not being adequately refuted. mrmojorisin75 suggests:

 

exactly edd - it all either points to something that wasn't cynical by the club but merely a breakdown over time between the parties involved

 

OR

 

keegan, as you say, was unhappy and had no say the whole time yet lied to the thousands of fans buying season tickets and let them pay 3 years in advance only to up ship and run at the last minute when it was all too late

 

if you believe he was lied to from day one then he's equally culpable in this respect, no?

 

So can Keegan's supporters please come up with something other than "It's all speculative bollocks" or "It's all Wise's fault"? UV asks

 

Yet you think Keegan signed up to be Jimenez' lacky? You think he signed up knowing the hierarchy would be Ashley -> Llambias -> Wise -> Jimenez -> Keegan

 

I'd hardly call the authorisation of spending millions of pounds on players micro-managing btw.

 

Well, yes and no.

 

He said (with some cheekiness I'm sure) "I didn't have a brochure this time. It came like a whirlwind it is like one of those Lastminute.com holidays! There was no brochure I just came." Secondly, Wise had yet to be appointed, though one must assume negotiations with Wise had already commenced. So no, Keegan was not explicitly told that the hierarchy was Ashley -> Llambias -> Wise -> Jimenez -> Keegan.

 

However, if you think Ashley and Mort hired Keegan without telling him about the imminent appointment of an executive director (football), that Ashley and Mort duped Keegan into believing he would be an old-school manager with sweeping powers while secretly planning to go in exactly the opposite direction, well... I'll take Kaka's logic over yours thanks.

 

 

raconteur, very few people want to hear this, instead they prefer the following word associations:

 

cockney, lies, wise, southerner, season tickets, 3 years, fabrication, conspiracy

 

KK, no wrong, innocent, victim, beyond criticism

 

i'm still astounded that after years of shepherd leasing warehouses to the club, ridiculing the supporters publicly, taking massive dividends despite deteriorating results on the pitch (etc...) was affored so much time and never once was there a talk of a boycott of club products, marches, none of this s***...before anyone starts about balancing the books i'll point you to bobby robsons first 2 seasons for a parrallel on spend and manager...also to the sacking of bobby as well really

 

is anyone gonna look me in the internet eye and tell me this doesn't just boil down to a nice bit of dirty regionalism against a southern owner and nasty dennis?

 

anyone?  really?

 

 

 

Well said.

 

Hopefully they take Keegan to court so the truth can come out and get the £2 million he owes the club in the process.

 

anyone wanting them to proceed with that legal action does not have the best interests of the club at heart. it'll just cause a shitload of bother for no good reason. even if they get their £2m, total phyrric victory beyond belief.

 

I have the best interests of the club at heart and it's why I want the record set straight, if Keegan wins in court then I'll happily back down and admit the club were in the wrong but if they win then I hope people drop the emotional s**** and admit Keegan is in the wrong.

 

naive or daft (one of them) to think going to court is in the best interests of the club or the fans. even with they win - which wouldnt prove that much anyway, nor would losing, as it deals with legal technicalities which are only of interest to scrounging lawyers - how do you think it would make 90% of fans feel that the club, rich and owned by a billionaire, is stripping one of the greatest men in the club's history for £2m, for no other reason than they can. if they do that they just want to 'win' a legal argument rather than do what is in our best interests. they dont need the money, keegan probably does.

 

do you think it was in the best interests of the club and fans to release that silly statement of theirs, too?

 

No I don't, I think the statement was dropping down to his level exchanging insults, with the quick response from the LMA they were expecting it.

 

The truth coming out is worth more to Ashley than £2 million, how many people do you think will stop this boycott of club products if the truth comes out that they're not to blame? I'd say quite a few.

 

The costs will be immense; Keegan will no doubt have sought advice before resigning and will have acted upon it. This means that an employment lawyer somewhere thinks he has a case whether it's breach of contract or constructive dismissal. The £2m could be dwarved by costs and the outcome uncertain.

 

Who is going to pay these massive costs to Keegan? Will they come out of Ashley's private bank account or will NUFC be footing the bill?

 

The LMA will fund Keegan in all likelihood, like most professional associations would if it were assessed there is a reasonable chance of winning the case; he's probably already had this advice and this would account for his resignation. The most likely outcome is a settlement and a non-disclosure agreement. The truth for either side is unlikely to come out.

 

That's not really answering the question which was asked.

 

I'm not suggesting that massive costs would be paid to Keegan rather simply that massive costs would be incurred in the prosecution or defence of a case concerning Keegan's employment and its subsequent termination. The most likely outcome is a settlement and NDA.

 

What I asked was, who would be paying the costs? Ashley from his own personal bank account, or Newcastle United Football Club?

 

I just wanted to quote this.

 

You do realise by doing this you are helping loose a rather excellent post by me further up 

 

Can't believe no one has quoted me with a little clapping smiley or thumbs up one, you ungrateful bastards 

 

 

Well that wasn't exactly what I was after

 

Who is being ungrateful now?

 

Fuck, you're right.

[Guest fraser]

 

The LMA will fund Keegan in all likelihood, like most professional associations would if it were assessed there is a reasonable chance of winning the case; he's probably already had this advice and this would account for his resignation. The most likely outcome is a settlement and a non-disclosure agreement. The truth for either side is unlikely to come out.

 

The LMA will have a lawyer which will fight the case and it'll not cost Keegan a penny.  Keegan may have resigned before the case was assessed so I wouldn't take his resignation as a sign that he will win a case if it comes to that.

 

There was more than enough time to obtain detailed advice on the basis of the Keegan 'facts'.

[Guest fraser]

 

Wise is in charge of Jimenez, Vetere, and the coaches, and reports directly to Llambias, it's quite clear:

 

http://www.nufc.premiumtv.co.uk/page/NewsDetail/0,,10278~1227633,00.html

 

He is clearly the one in ultimate charge of deciding who we sign and who we sell. If he chose to sign a player the manager specifically said he didn't want, which is Keegan's claim, then he is the person most responsible on the club's side for the consequences.

 

In such case I have no doubt whatsoever such a dispute would have been referred immediately to Llambias.

 

It's all speculation, but very good points are being made by the likes of KaKa, Edd, mrmojo et al - and not being adequately refuted. mrmojorisin75 suggests:

 

exactly edd - it all either points to something that wasn't cynical by the club but merely a breakdown over time between the parties involved

 

OR

 

keegan, as you say, was unhappy and had no say the whole time yet lied to the thousands of fans buying season tickets and let them pay 3 years in advance only to up ship and run at the last minute when it was all too late

 

if you believe he was lied to from day one then he's equally culpable in this respect, no?

 

So can Keegan's supporters please come up with something other than "It's all speculative bollocks" or "It's all Wise's fault"? UV asks

 

Yet you think Keegan signed up to be Jimenez' lacky? You think he signed up knowing the hierarchy would be Ashley -> Llambias -> Wise -> Jimenez -> Keegan

 

I'd hardly call the authorisation of spending millions of pounds on players micro-managing btw.

 

Well, yes and no.

 

He said (with some cheekiness I'm sure) "I didn't have a brochure this time. It came like a whirlwind it is like one of those Lastminute.com holidays! There was no brochure I just came." Secondly, Wise had yet to be appointed, though one must assume negotiations with Wise had already commenced. So no, Keegan was not explicitly told that the hierarchy was Ashley -> Llambias -> Wise -> Jimenez -> Keegan.

 

However, if you think Ashley and Mort hired Keegan without telling him about the imminent appointment of an executive director (football), that Ashley and Mort duped Keegan into believing he would be an old-school manager with sweeping powers while secretly planning to go in exactly the opposite direction, well... I'll take Kaka's logic over yours thanks.

 

 

raconteur, very few people want to hear this, instead they prefer the following word associations:

 

cockney, lies, wise, southerner, season tickets, 3 years, fabrication, conspiracy

 

KK, no wrong, innocent, victim, beyond criticism

 

i'm still astounded that after years of shepherd leasing warehouses to the club, ridiculing the supporters publicly, taking massive dividends despite deteriorating results on the pitch (etc...) was affored so much time and never once was there a talk of a boycott of club products, marches, none of this s***...before anyone starts about balancing the books i'll point you to bobby robsons first 2 seasons for a parrallel on spend and manager...also to the sacking of bobby as well really

 

is anyone gonna look me in the internet eye and tell me this doesn't just boil down to a nice bit of dirty regionalism against a southern owner and nasty dennis?

 

anyone?  really?

 

 

 

Well said.

 

Hopefully they take Keegan to court so the truth can come out and get the £2 million he owes the club in the process.

 

anyone wanting them to proceed with that legal action does not have the best interests of the club at heart. it'll just cause a shitload of bother for no good reason. even if they get their £2m, total phyrric victory beyond belief.

 

I have the best interests of the club at heart and it's why I want the record set straight, if Keegan wins in court then I'll happily back down and admit the club were in the wrong but if they win then I hope people drop the emotional s**** and admit Keegan is in the wrong.

 

naive or daft (one of them) to think going to court is in the best interests of the club or the fans. even with they win - which wouldnt prove that much anyway, nor would losing, as it deals with legal technicalities which are only of interest to scrounging lawyers - how do you think it would make 90% of fans feel that the club, rich and owned by a billionaire, is stripping one of the greatest men in the club's history for £2m, for no other reason than they can. if they do that they just want to 'win' a legal argument rather than do what is in our best interests. they dont need the money, keegan probably does.

 

do you think it was in the best interests of the club and fans to release that silly statement of theirs, too?

 

No I don't, I think the statement was dropping down to his level exchanging insults, with the quick response from the LMA they were expecting it.

 

The truth coming out is worth more to Ashley than £2 million, how many people do you think will stop this boycott of club products if the truth comes out that they're not to blame? I'd say quite a few.

 

The costs will be immense; Keegan will no doubt have sought advice before resigning and will have acted upon it. This means that an employment lawyer somewhere thinks he has a case whether it's breach of contract or constructive dismissal. The £2m could be dwarved by costs and the outcome uncertain.

 

Who is going to pay these massive costs to Keegan? Will they come out of Ashley's private bank account or will NUFC be footing the bill?

 

The LMA will fund Keegan in all likelihood, like most professional associations would if it were assessed there is a reasonable chance of winning the case; he's probably already had this advice and this would account for his resignation. The most likely outcome is a settlement and a non-disclosure agreement. The truth for either side is unlikely to come out.

 

That's not really answering the question which was asked.

 

I'm not suggesting that massive costs would be paid to Keegan rather simply that massive costs would be incurred in the prosecution or defence of a case concerning Keegan's employment and its subsequent termination. The most likely outcome is a settlement and NDA.

 

What I asked was, who would be paying the costs? Ashley from his own personal bank account, or Newcastle United Football Club?

 

The parties are Keegan and NUFC.

[Thespence]

It is a fact that Kevin Keegan worked within that structure from 16th January 2008 until his resignation.

 

The club make it quite clear Kevin Keegan worked within structure until his resignation.

 

It is a fact that Kevin Keegan, as manager, had specific duties in that he was responsible for the training, coaching, selection and motivation of the Team.

 

The are his roles.

 

To sum up for Kaka & other people who havent grasped what the club are saying: Keegan from the day he returned to the day he left worked within his role & transfers in/out are not his gig, so he knocked nobody back or stopped us selling players.

 

Source of info Newcastle United Football Club & Me.

 

 

[madras]

It is a fact that Kevin Keegan worked within that structure from 16th January 2008 until his resignation.

 

The club make it quite clear Kevin Keegan worked within structure until his resignation.

 

It is a fact that Kevin Keegan, as manager, had specific duties in that he was responsible for the training, coaching, selection and motivation of the Team.

 

The are his roles.

 

To sum up for Kaka & other people who havent grasped what the club are saying: Keegan from the day he returned to the day he left worked within his role & transfers in/out are not his gig, so he knocked nobody back or stopped us selling players.

 

Source of info Newcastle United Football Club & Me.

 

 

and mike ashley in the club mag saying keegan had the final say on comings and goings ?

[Robster]

It is a fact that Kevin Keegan worked within that structure from 16th January 2008 until his resignation.

 

The club make it quite clear Kevin Keegan worked within structure until his resignation.

 

It is a fact that Kevin Keegan, as manager, had specific duties in that he was responsible for the training, coaching, selection and motivation of the Team.

 

The are his roles.

 

To sum up for Kaka & other people who havent grasped what the club are saying: Keegan from the day he returned to the day he left worked within his role & transfers in/out are not his gig, so he knocked nobody back or stopped us selling players.

 

Source of info Newcastle United Football Club & Me.

 

 

 

Well spotted

[Thespence]

It is a fact that Kevin Keegan worked within that structure from 16th January 2008 until his resignation.

 

The club make it quite clear Kevin Keegan worked within structure until his resignation.

 

It is a fact that Kevin Keegan, as manager, had specific duties in that he was responsible for the training, coaching, selection and motivation of the Team.

 

The are his roles.

 

To sum up for Kaka & other people who havent grasped what the club are saying: Keegan from the day he returned to the day he left worked within his role & transfers in/out are not his gig, so he knocked nobody back or stopped us selling players.

 

Source of info Newcastle United Football Club & Me.

 

 

and mike ashley in the club mag saying keegan had the final say on comings and goings ?

 

That was banter in a magzine the above is A FACT!

[johnnypd]

It is a fact that Kevin Keegan worked within that structure from 16th January 2008 until his resignation.

 

The club make it quite clear Kevin Keegan worked within structure until his resignation.

 

It is a fact that Kevin Keegan, as manager, had specific duties in that he was responsible for the training, coaching, selection and motivation of the Team.

 

The are his roles.

 

To sum up for Kaka & other people who havent grasped what the club are saying: Keegan from the day he returned to the day he left worked within his role & transfers in/out are not his gig, so he knocked nobody back or stopped us selling players.

 

Source of info Newcastle United Football Club & Me.

 

 

and mike ashley in the club mag saying keegan had the final say on comings and goings ?

 

That was banter in a magzine the above is A FACT!

 

the statement also says:

 

The structure at NUFC is clear, and has been clear from 16th January 2008

 

so all this confusion and debate is in fact, just an elaborate hologram, not real.

[Thespence]

It is a fact that Kevin Keegan worked within that structure from 16th January 2008 until his resignation.

 

The club make it quite clear Kevin Keegan worked within structure until his resignation.

 

It is a fact that Kevin Keegan, as manager, had specific duties in that he was responsible for the training, coaching, selection and motivation of the Team.

 

The are his roles.

 

To sum up for Kaka & other people who havent grasped what the club are saying: Keegan from the day he returned to the day he left worked within his role & transfers in/out are not his gig, so he knocked nobody back or stopped us selling players.

 

Source of info Newcastle United Football Club & Me.

 

 

and mike ashley in the club mag saying keegan had the final say on comings and goings ?

 

That was banter in a magzine the above is A FACT!

 

the statement also says:

 

The structure at NUFC is clear, and has been clear from 16th January 2008

 

so all this confusion and debate is in fact, just an elaborate hologram, not real.

 

I get the feeling Keegan may have been using the old line of "one more player" or "can we see if we can get him". Not sure how Mike/Decca/TJ/Wise would of been able to handle number 1 choice for the boss gig, Harry "Down to the bare bones" Redknapp always going on about wanting more or better players.

[TRon]

It was supposedly Keegan who pulled the plug on Skjelbred at any rate.

 

 

United tracking Norwegian youngster Forren

 

Sep 23 2008 by Lee Ryder, Evening Chronicle

 

NEWCASTLE United are tracking Norwegian youngster Vegard Forren despite the club’s uncertain future.

 

Owner Mike Ashley may well be open to offers for United.

 

But while he is still in charge, the club’s scouting network is still in full operation, with Dennis Wise, Tony Jimenez and Jeff Vetere sticking to their policy of scouring the globe for the world’s best youngsters.

 

Forren, who is 20, starred for Molde in a 3-1 away win against Lyn in Norway’s Tippeligaen at the weekend but his side are struggling in 10th place of a 14-team division.

 

A United scout was in the crowd on Sunday night, but the Magpies are not the only side keeping tabs on the Norway Under-21 international.

 

Sampdoria, West Bromwich and AC Milan are all keen on the young gun who many Norwegian football experts believe has a bright future ahead of him.

 

Yet Molde will be looking for a fee of up to £4m for the seven-times capped Under-21 international.

 

Meanwhile, it was claimed today that Kevin Keegan pulled the plug on a deal to bring Norwegian playmaker Per Ciljan Skjelbred to Tyneside.

 

The Chronicle had reported that United had been looking at Skjelbred in early August before strengthening their interest in the player as the clock ticked closer to transfer deadline day.

 

The Rosenborg star – who is desperate for a move to the Premier League – was left heartbroken on transfer deadline day after KK told Wise he didn’t want to sign the player.

 

A source close to the player in Rosenborg told the Chronicle: “Everything was apparently set, and neither Skjelbred nor Rosenborg was given a reason from the Newcastle camp for the collapse of the transfer, just that it would no longer go through.

 

“This was strange news for Rosenborg as the fee had already apparently been agreed.

 

“All of this had made Skjelbred very depressed the next day in training as he was just a few hours away from going over to Newcastle for a medical.”

[Guest MrSundlofer]

It was supposedly Keegan who pulled the plug on Skjelbred at any rate.

 

 

United tracking Norwegian youngster Forren

 

Sep 23 2008 by Lee Ryder, Evening Chronicle

 

NEWCASTLE United are tracking Norwegian youngster Vegard Forren despite the clubs uncertain future.

 

Owner Mike Ashley may well be open to offers for United.

 

But while he is still in charge, the clubs scouting network is still in full operation, with Dennis Wise, Tony Jimenez and Jeff Vetere sticking to their policy of scouring the globe for the worlds best youngsters.

 

Forren, who is 20, starred for Molde in a 3-1 away win against Lyn in Norways Tippeligaen at the weekend but his side are struggling in 10th place of a 14-team division.

 

A United scout was in the crowd on Sunday night, but the Magpies are not the only side keeping tabs on the Norway Under-21 international.

 

Sampdoria, West Bromwich and AC Milan are all keen on the young gun who many Norwegian football experts believe has a bright future ahead of him.

 

Yet Molde will be looking for a fee of up to £4m for the seven-times capped Under-21 international.

 

Meanwhile, it was claimed today that Kevin Keegan pulled the plug on a deal to bring Norwegian playmaker Per Ciljan Skjelbred to Tyneside.

 

The Chronicle had reported that United had been looking at Skjelbred in early August before strengthening their interest in the player as the clock ticked closer to transfer deadline day.

 

The Rosenborg star who is desperate for a move to the Premier League was left heartbroken on transfer deadline day after KK told Wise he didnt want to sign the player.

 

A source close to the player in Rosenborg told the Chronicle: Everything was apparently set, and neither Skjelbred nor Rosenborg was given a reason from the Newcastle camp for the collapse of the transfer, just that it would no longer go through.

 

This was strange news for Rosenborg as the fee had already apparently been agreed.

 

All of this had made Skjelbred very depressed the next day in training as he was just a few hours away from going over to Newcastle for a medical.

 

Why was it claimed today?

 

"A source close to the player in Rosenborg told the Chronicle.."

 

He didn't claimed anything about Keegan.