Guest neesy111 Posted January 19, 2009 Share Posted January 19, 2009 I'm saying Yes now, a sorry state of the affairs of the club Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tooj Posted February 11, 2009 Share Posted February 11, 2009 Although I'm aware of Ashley and Whelan relationship, if JFK can no longer continue in the role I'd say we need to make a move for Bruce, as he's the ideal candidate in the position we are currently in. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest prestonj1989 Posted February 11, 2009 Share Posted February 11, 2009 Although I'm aware of Ashley and Whelan relationship, if JFK can no longer continue in the role I'd say we need to make a move for Bruce, as he's the ideal candidate in the position we are currently in. 100% agree. Bruce is the ideal option. Come on Ashley do something good for the club. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ikri Posted February 11, 2009 Share Posted February 11, 2009 Although I'm aware of Ashley and Whelan relationship, if JFK can no longer continue in the role I'd say we need to make a move for Bruce, as he's the ideal candidate in the position we are currently in. That puzzled me a bit too, Whelan detests Ashley yet he was willing to deal with the club in January. There are loads of reports of JJB Sports being in financial difficulties (bailiffs turning up, etc.), I don't think Whelan is in any position to be picky about who he does business with at the moment. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Brazilianbob Posted February 11, 2009 Share Posted February 11, 2009 Apparently, Ashley owns a 27% stake in JJB Sports. That must really irritate Whelan !!! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted February 11, 2009 Share Posted February 11, 2009 If Whelan has any stake in JJB then it's minor. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fenham Mag Posted February 11, 2009 Share Posted February 11, 2009 Steve Bruce would be perfect candidate for me for the following reasons: - He will be willing to work with our current coaching staff which saves the club Money by not laying them off - A lot of Premiership experience - English and a Geordie - No problems settling and for me an instant honeymoon effect - Put his heart and soul into it. Possibly could be his last move as a Manager as this is as high he can get IMO unless he would take a step down. But i feel he would stay loyal to the club. - Good in transfer market - Great with the press - Great man Management skills - i.e. Bramble, Melchiot, etc. - Has his teams playing decent football. - Compensation wouldn't be too much to pay to Wigan Some Negatives though : - Job could be too big for him -Could be Stuck in the mindset of a small club , buying small time players etc. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tooj Posted February 11, 2009 Share Posted February 11, 2009 Steve Bruce would be perfect candidate for me for the following reasons: - He will be willing to work with our current coaching staff which saves the club Money by not laying them off - A lot of Premiership experience - English and a Geordie - No problems settling and for me an instant honeymoon effect - Put his heart and soul into it. Possibly could be his last move as a Manager as this is as high he can get IMO unless he would take a step down. But i feel he would stay loyal to the club. - Good in transfer market - Great with the press - Great man Management skills - i.e. Bramble, Melchiot, etc. - Has his teams playing decent football. - Compensation wouldn't be too much to pay to Wigan Some Negatives though : - Job could be too big for him -Could be Stuck in the mindset of a small club , buying small time players etc. Would he want to work with Dennis Wise though? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted February 11, 2009 Share Posted February 11, 2009 Steve Bruce would be perfect candidate for me for the following reasons: - He will be willing to work with our current coaching staff which saves the club Money by not laying them off - A lot of Premiership experience - English and a Geordie - No problems settling and for me an instant honeymoon effect - Put his heart and soul into it. Possibly could be his last move as a Manager as this is as high he can get IMO unless he would take a step down. But i feel he would stay loyal to the club. - Good in transfer market - Great with the press - Great man Management skills - i.e. Bramble, Melchiot, etc. - Has his teams playing decent football. - Compensation wouldn't be too much to pay to Wigan Some Negatives though : - Job could be too big for him -Could be Stuck in the mindset of a small club , buying small time players etc. Would he want to work with Dennis Wise though? He's working at a selling club at Wigan, I don't think he'd be that picky. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted February 11, 2009 Share Posted February 11, 2009 -Could be Stuck in the mindset of a small club , buying small time players etc. Not a problem. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tooj Posted February 11, 2009 Share Posted February 11, 2009 Steve Bruce would be perfect candidate for me for the following reasons: - He will be willing to work with our current coaching staff which saves the club Money by not laying them off - A lot of Premiership experience - English and a Geordie - No problems settling and for me an instant honeymoon effect - Put his heart and soul into it. Possibly could be his last move as a Manager as this is as high he can get IMO unless he would take a step down. But i feel he would stay loyal to the club. - Good in transfer market - Great with the press - Great man Management skills - i.e. Bramble, Melchiot, etc. - Has his teams playing decent football. - Compensation wouldn't be too much to pay to Wigan Some Negatives though : - Job could be too big for him -Could be Stuck in the mindset of a small club , buying small time players etc. Would he want to work with Dennis Wise though? He's working at a selling club at Wigan, I don't think he'd be that picky. Why though? He gets full control at Wigan, which he wouldn't here. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted February 11, 2009 Share Posted February 11, 2009 Steve Bruce would be perfect candidate for me for the following reasons: - He will be willing to work with our current coaching staff which saves the club Money by not laying them off - A lot of Premiership experience - English and a Geordie - No problems settling and for me an instant honeymoon effect - Put his heart and soul into it. Possibly could be his last move as a Manager as this is as high he can get IMO unless he would take a step down. But i feel he would stay loyal to the club. - Good in transfer market - Great with the press - Great man Management skills - i.e. Bramble, Melchiot, etc. - Has his teams playing decent football. - Compensation wouldn't be too much to pay to Wigan Some Negatives though : - Job could be too big for him -Could be Stuck in the mindset of a small club , buying small time players etc. Would he want to work with Dennis Wise though? He's working at a selling club at Wigan, I don't think he'd be that picky. Why though? He gets full control at Wigan, which he wouldn't here. He still has to sell players when his boss says so. Not much control over that. How many were there at Wigan on Saturday? 14,000? Well if he prefers that to managing his home town club in front of 50,000 geordies he should probably stay where he is. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tooj Posted February 11, 2009 Share Posted February 11, 2009 Steve Bruce would be perfect candidate for me for the following reasons: - He will be willing to work with our current coaching staff which saves the club Money by not laying them off - A lot of Premiership experience - English and a Geordie - No problems settling and for me an instant honeymoon effect - Put his heart and soul into it. Possibly could be his last move as a Manager as this is as high he can get IMO unless he would take a step down. But i feel he would stay loyal to the club. - Good in transfer market - Great with the press - Great man Management skills - i.e. Bramble, Melchiot, etc. - Has his teams playing decent football. - Compensation wouldn't be too much to pay to Wigan Some Negatives though : - Job could be too big for him -Could be Stuck in the mindset of a small club , buying small time players etc. Would he want to work with Dennis Wise though? He's working at a selling club at Wigan, I don't think he'd be that picky. Why though? He gets full control at Wigan, which he wouldn't here. He still has to sell players when his boss says so. Not much control over that. How many were there at Wigan on Saturday? 14,000? Well if he prefers that to managing his home town club in front of 50,000 geordies he should probably stay where he is. Of course that's the obvious pull. I'm just saying why would he want to report to Dennis Wise? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
fredbob Posted February 11, 2009 Share Posted February 11, 2009 Still a no for me, with playes you can address weaknesses by simply looking for improvements on what we have becasue the options to imporve on them again is and should be a contiuos annual process, the same cant be said with managers, ideally you should be looking for the right man who will potentially be at the club for 10 years, not the man who is better than what weve got, which is a complex quite a few people seem to be suffering from. For me Bruce isnt that man, he may be better than Jose but he's not the man to bring this club forward in the long run. Wigan is his only real success and we havent even seen the completion of that job. Ill say it even though no one else wants to, we need to go foreign, there is so much talent out there which just isnt available in the PL, we need some new impetus and it wont come from these shores. Deschamps is my number 1 choice, Zico would work the system well, we need an appointment that everyone can get behind. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted February 11, 2009 Share Posted February 11, 2009 Steve Bruce would be perfect candidate for me for the following reasons: - He will be willing to work with our current coaching staff which saves the club Money by not laying them off - A lot of Premiership experience - English and a Geordie - No problems settling and for me an instant honeymoon effect - Put his heart and soul into it. Possibly could be his last move as a Manager as this is as high he can get IMO unless he would take a step down. But i feel he would stay loyal to the club. - Good in transfer market - Great with the press - Great man Management skills - i.e. Bramble, Melchiot, etc. - Has his teams playing decent football. - Compensation wouldn't be too much to pay to Wigan Some Negatives though : - Job could be too big for him -Could be Stuck in the mindset of a small club , buying small time players etc. Would he want to work with Dennis Wise though? He's working at a selling club at Wigan, I don't think he'd be that picky. Why though? He gets full control at Wigan, which he wouldn't here. He still has to sell players when his boss says so. Not much control over that. How many were there at Wigan on Saturday? 14,000? Well if he prefers that to managing his home town club in front of 50,000 geordies he should probably stay where he is. Of course that's the obvious pull. I'm just saying why would he want to report to Dennis Wise? He doesn't have to if it's a problem, he can always stay at Wigan. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tooj Posted February 11, 2009 Share Posted February 11, 2009 Steve Bruce would be perfect candidate for me for the following reasons: - He will be willing to work with our current coaching staff which saves the club Money by not laying them off - A lot of Premiership experience - English and a Geordie - No problems settling and for me an instant honeymoon effect - Put his heart and soul into it. Possibly could be his last move as a Manager as this is as high he can get IMO unless he would take a step down. But i feel he would stay loyal to the club. - Good in transfer market - Great with the press - Great man Management skills - i.e. Bramble, Melchiot, etc. - Has his teams playing decent football. - Compensation wouldn't be too much to pay to Wigan Some Negatives though : - Job could be too big for him -Could be Stuck in the mindset of a small club , buying small time players etc. Would he want to work with Dennis Wise though? He's working at a selling club at Wigan, I don't think he'd be that picky. Why though? He gets full control at Wigan, which he wouldn't here. He still has to sell players when his boss says so. Not much control over that. How many were there at Wigan on Saturday? 14,000? Well if he prefers that to managing his home town club in front of 50,000 geordies he should probably stay where he is. Of course that's the obvious pull. I'm just saying why would he want to report to Dennis Wise? He doesn't have to if it's a problem, he can always stay at Wigan. You still haven't answered my question. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted February 11, 2009 Share Posted February 11, 2009 Still a no for me, with playes you can address weaknesses by simply looking for improvements on what we have becasue the options to imporve on them again is and should be a contiuos annual process, the same cant be said with managers, ideally you should be looking for the right man who will potentially be at the club for 10 years, not the man who is better than what weve got, which is a complex quite a few people seem to be suffering from. For me Bruce isnt that man, he may be better than Jose but he's not the man to bring this club forward in the long run. Wigan is his only real success and we havent even seen the completion of that job. Ill say it even though no one else wants to, we need to go foreign, there is so much talent out there which just isnt available in the PL, we need some new impetus and it wont come from these shores. Deschamps is my number 1 choice, Zico would work the system well, we need an appointment that everyone can get behind. You've done it again! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted February 11, 2009 Share Posted February 11, 2009 Steve Bruce would be perfect candidate for me for the following reasons: - He will be willing to work with our current coaching staff which saves the club Money by not laying them off - A lot of Premiership experience - English and a Geordie - No problems settling and for me an instant honeymoon effect - Put his heart and soul into it. Possibly could be his last move as a Manager as this is as high he can get IMO unless he would take a step down. But i feel he would stay loyal to the club. - Good in transfer market - Great with the press - Great man Management skills - i.e. Bramble, Melchiot, etc. - Has his teams playing decent football. - Compensation wouldn't be too much to pay to Wigan Some Negatives though : - Job could be too big for him -Could be Stuck in the mindset of a small club , buying small time players etc. Would he want to work with Dennis Wise though? He's working at a selling club at Wigan, I don't think he'd be that picky. Why though? He gets full control at Wigan, which he wouldn't here. He still has to sell players when his boss says so. Not much control over that. How many were there at Wigan on Saturday? 14,000? Well if he prefers that to managing his home town club in front of 50,000 geordies he should probably stay where he is. Of course that's the obvious pull. I'm just saying why would he want to report to Dennis Wise? He doesn't have to if it's a problem, he can always stay at Wigan. You still haven't answered my question. You want me to tell you what Steve Bruce might think? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
fredbob Posted February 11, 2009 Share Posted February 11, 2009 Still a no for me, with playes you can address weaknesses by simply looking for improvements on what we have becasue the options to imporve on them again is and should be a contiuos annual process, the same cant be said with managers, ideally you should be looking for the right man who will potentially be at the club for 10 years, not the man who is better than what weve got, which is a complex quite a few people seem to be suffering from. For me Bruce isnt that man, he may be better than Jose but he's not the man to bring this club forward in the long run. Wigan is his only real success and we havent even seen the completion of that job. Ill say it even though no one else wants to, we need to go foreign, there is so much talent out there which just isnt available in the PL, we need some new impetus and it wont come from these shores. Deschamps is my number 1 choice, Zico would work the system well, we need an appointment that everyone can get behind. You've done it again! Its the only way to inject "culture" into our dear old manager. He's as about as exotic as a potato. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tooj Posted February 11, 2009 Share Posted February 11, 2009 Steve Bruce would be perfect candidate for me for the following reasons: - He will be willing to work with our current coaching staff which saves the club Money by not laying them off - A lot of Premiership experience - English and a Geordie - No problems settling and for me an instant honeymoon effect - Put his heart and soul into it. Possibly could be his last move as a Manager as this is as high he can get IMO unless he would take a step down. But i feel he would stay loyal to the club. - Good in transfer market - Great with the press - Great man Management skills - i.e. Bramble, Melchiot, etc. - Has his teams playing decent football. - Compensation wouldn't be too much to pay to Wigan Some Negatives though : - Job could be too big for him -Could be Stuck in the mindset of a small club , buying small time players etc. Would he want to work with Dennis Wise though? He's working at a selling club at Wigan, I don't think he'd be that picky. Why though? He gets full control at Wigan, which he wouldn't here. He still has to sell players when his boss says so. Not much control over that. How many were there at Wigan on Saturday? 14,000? Well if he prefers that to managing his home town club in front of 50,000 geordies he should probably stay where he is. Of course that's the obvious pull. I'm just saying why would he want to report to Dennis Wise? He doesn't have to if it's a problem, he can always stay at Wigan. You still haven't answered my question. You want me to tell you what Steve Bruce might think? I'm asking you why he would want to have to report into Dennis Wise. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
fredbob Posted February 11, 2009 Share Posted February 11, 2009 Steve Bruce would be perfect candidate for me for the following reasons: - He will be willing to work with our current coaching staff which saves the club Money by not laying them off - A lot of Premiership experience - English and a Geordie - No problems settling and for me an instant honeymoon effect - Put his heart and soul into it. Possibly could be his last move as a Manager as this is as high he can get IMO unless he would take a step down. But i feel he would stay loyal to the club. - Good in transfer market - Great with the press - Great man Management skills - i.e. Bramble, Melchiot, etc. - Has his teams playing decent football. - Compensation wouldn't be too much to pay to Wigan Some Negatives though : - Job could be too big for him -Could be Stuck in the mindset of a small club , buying small time players etc. Would he want to work with Dennis Wise though? He's working at a selling club at Wigan, I don't think he'd be that picky. Why though? He gets full control at Wigan, which he wouldn't here. He still has to sell players when his boss says so. Not much control over that. How many were there at Wigan on Saturday? 14,000? Well if he prefers that to managing his home town club in front of 50,000 geordies he should probably stay where he is. Of course that's the obvious pull. I'm just saying why would he want to report to Dennis Wise? He doesn't have to if it's a problem, he can always stay at Wigan. You still haven't answered my question. You want me to tell you what Steve Bruce might think? I'm asking you why he would want to have to report into Dennis Wise. Bit of a leading question that Tooj, the question should really be "would he mind reporting to Wise (member of the board)?" To answer your question - becasue Wise is a member of the board. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cp40 Posted February 11, 2009 Share Posted February 11, 2009 Why would he want to come here, this place is a shambles. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tooj Posted February 11, 2009 Share Posted February 11, 2009 Still a no for me, with playes you can address weaknesses by simply looking for improvements on what we have becasue the options to imporve on them again is and should be a contiuos annual process, the same cant be said with managers, ideally you should be looking for the right man who will potentially be at the club for 10 years, not the man who is better than what weve got, which is a complex quite a few people seem to be suffering from. For me Bruce isnt that man, he may be better than Jose but he's not the man to bring this club forward in the long run. Wigan is his only real success and we havent even seen the completion of that job. Ill say it even though no one else wants to, we need to go foreign, there is so much talent out there which just isnt available in the PL, we need some new impetus and it wont come from these shores. Deschamps is my number 1 choice, Zico would work the system well, we need an appointment that everyone can get behind. Even though Deschamps left Juve after a disagreement with the hierarchy over transfers? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted February 11, 2009 Share Posted February 11, 2009 Bruce is probably the only remaining appointment everyone would get behind too. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
fredbob Posted February 11, 2009 Share Posted February 11, 2009 Still a no for me, with playes you can address weaknesses by simply looking for improvements on what we have becasue the options to imporve on them again is and should be a contiuos annual process, the same cant be said with managers, ideally you should be looking for the right man who will potentially be at the club for 10 years, not the man who is better than what weve got, which is a complex quite a few people seem to be suffering from. For me Bruce isnt that man, he may be better than Jose but he's not the man to bring this club forward in the long run. Wigan is his only real success and we havent even seen the completion of that job. Ill say it even though no one else wants to, we need to go foreign, there is so much talent out there which just isnt available in the PL, we need some new impetus and it wont come from these shores. Deschamps is my number 1 choice, Zico would work the system well, we need an appointment that everyone can get behind. Even though Deschamps left Juve after a disagreement with the hierarchy over transfers? If you see it as a simple black and white "Wise will force whatever player he wants onto the manager" then you have a point, but theres evidence to suggest this isnt strictly the case, Deschamp also has a working relationship with Wise and Id imagine Deschamps has a rough idea about the transfer market and being able to stick to the clubs new policy. I imagine Deschamps has the french market cornered which quite frankly is a huge bonus. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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