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JT24 Posted February 11 Share Posted February 11 1 minute ago, SteV said: https://x.com/steve_singh420/status/2021308858468110697?s=46&t=OQLMckSuatbpqWF13Al4mQ “barcodes at home” grow up Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kilcline Posted February 11 Share Posted February 11 2 minutes ago, SteV said: https://x.com/steve_singh420/status/2021308858468110697?s=46&t=OQLMckSuatbpqWF13Al4mQ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
leffe186 Posted February 11 Share Posted February 11 (edited) 1 hour ago, Turnbull2000 said: You injuries don't look much worse than our 23/24 CL season. We had 13 first team squad players out at one point. Our bench was like 3 keepers, 3 kids and a couple of third choices. But we still reached a cup final, finished 7th and unlike Spurs, had the toughest CL draw of the lot. But as you say, they are worse. We’ve consistently had 10+ out and yes, it has been 13 at at least one point. And this is the third consecutive year of this shit, which is completely demoralising. You had a ton of injuries that year and it was a fantastic achievement, but it helped that manager, tactics and (largely) squad were established. Key players like Bruno, Gordon, Burn, Trippier, Isak and Schär played in most games and Longstaff and Almiron played in well over 40. Pope missed more than half the season and Dubravka isn’t an amazing deputy but he’s adequate. I know Botman only played 22 games - who were the other key players missing? Did anyone miss the whole season? Genuine question. I’ve said before that it’s such a big issue for us this year because Frank is new and he has to implement a new system with a lot of new players. Our best first XI is arguably something like Vicario Porro Romero VDV Udogie Bentancur Gallagher Madders Kulu Kudus Solanke. Key Defensive subs Spence and Danso, Midfield subs Palhinha and Bergvall/Simons, Attacking subs Richarlison and Odobert. 17 outfield players. Right now 10 of those players are injured and one is suspended - only three of the starting 10 are available. After 26 games, only one of those 17 has started more than 20. And only five have even got on the pitch for more than 20 (e.g. Odobert 10 starts, 14 sub appearances - now probably out for the season of course). What was your best team that year? I’d guess Pope Trippier Botman Schär/Burn Livramento Joelinton Tonali Bruno Gordon Almiron Isak? Key Defensive subs Hall and Krafth/Burn? Midfield Murphy and Longstaff? Attacking Barnes and Wilson? 17 outfield players. Seven of the starting ten played in most games and Tonali obviously missed most of the season for other reasons. I really don’t think people have grasped how extraordinary our injuries are this year. I’m well aware of what an incredible achievement your 2023-24 season was in the circumstances and as always not enough is made of it by the usual suspects in the media, but I’ve had three years of this nonsense now and I’m sick of it. Edited February 11 by leffe186 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
leffe186 Posted February 11 Share Posted February 11 1 hour ago, vexred said: @leffe186 wouldn't be an ideal preseason with Poch at the WC. Couldn’t give a shit. I’m in. Might be able to afford a Championship season ticket and all our players will have the summer off because they’ll be injured. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteV Posted February 11 Share Posted February 11 (edited) If the figures in the media are correct it’s cost around £30m to have Frank for half a season. Astonishing. Edited February 11 by SteV Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexf Posted February 11 Share Posted February 11 4 minutes ago, leffe186 said: But as you say, they are worse. We’ve consistently had 10+ out and yes, it has been 14 at at least one point. And this is the third consecutive year of this shit, which is completely demoralising. You had a ton of injuries that year and it was a fantastic achievement, but it helped that manager, tactics and (largely) squad were established. Key players like Bruno, Gordon, Burn, Trippier, Isak and Schär played in most games and Longstaff and Almiron played in well over 40. Pope missed more than half the season and Dubravka isn’t an amazing deputy but he’s adequate. I know Botman only played 22 games - who were the other key players missing? Did anyone miss the whole season? Genuine question. I’ve said before that it’s such a big issue for us this year because Frank is new and he has to implement a new system with a lot of new players. Our best first XI is arguably something like Vicario Porro Romero VDV Udogie Bentancur Gallagher Madders Kulu Kudus Solanke. Key Defensive subs Spence and Danso, Midfield subs Palhinha and Bergvall/Simons, Attacking subs Richarlison and Odobert. 17 outfield players. Right now 10 of those players are injured and one is suspended - only three of the starting 10 are available. After 26 games, only one of those 17 has started more than 20. And only five have even got on the pitch for more than 20 (e.g. Odobert 10 starts, 14 sub appearances - now probably out for the season of course). What was your best team that year? I’d guess Pope Trippier Botman Schär/Burn Livramento Joelinton Tonali Bruno Gordon Almiron Isak? Key Defensive subs Hall and Krafth/Burn? Midfield Murphy and Longstaff? Attacking Barnes and Wilson? 17 outfield players. Seven of the starting ten played in most games and Tonali obviously missed most of the season for other reasons. I really don’t think people have grasped how extraordinary our injuries are this year. I’m well aware of what an incredible achievement your 2023-24 season was in the circumstances and as always not enough is made of it by the usual suspects in the media, but I’ve had three years of this nonsense now and I’m sick of it. We had to play Paul Dummett and Matt Ritchie in games in 23/24. So we had it worse Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monters Posted February 11 Share Posted February 11 8 minutes ago, leffe186 said: But as you say, they are worse. We’ve consistently had 10+ out and yes, it has been 13 at at least one point. And this is the third consecutive year of this shit, which is completely demoralising. You had a ton of injuries that year and it was a fantastic achievement, but it helped that manager, tactics and (largely) squad were established. Key players like Bruno, Gordon, Burn, Trippier, Isak and Schär played in most games and Longstaff and Almiron played in well over 40. Pope missed more than half the season and Dubravka isn’t an amazing deputy but he’s adequate. I know Botman only played 22 games - who were the other key players missing? Did anyone miss the whole season? Genuine question. I’ve said before that it’s such a big issue for us this year because Frank is new and he has to implement a new system with a lot of new players. Our best first XI is arguably something like Vicario Porro Romero VDV Udogie Bentancur Gallagher Madders Kulu Kudus Solanke. Key Defensive subs Spence and Danso, Midfield subs Palhinha and Bergvall/Simons, Attacking subs Richarlison and Odobert. 17 outfield players. Right now 10 of those players are injured and one is suspended - only three of the starting 10 are available. After 26 games, only one of those 17 has started more than 20. And only five have even got on the pitch for more than 20 (e.g. Odobert 10 starts, 14 sub appearances - now probably out for the season of course). What was your best team that year? I’d guess Pope Trippier Botman Schär/Burn Livramento Joelinton Tonali Bruno Gordon Almiron Isak? Key Defensive subs Hall and Krafth/Burn? Midfield Murphy and Longstaff? Attacking Barnes and Wilson? 17 outfield players. Seven of the starting ten played in most games and Tonali obviously missed most of the season for other reasons. I really don’t think people have grasped how extraordinary our injuries are this year. I’m well aware of what an incredible achievement your 2023-24 season was in the circumstances and as always not enough is made of it by the usual suspects in the media, but I’ve had three years of this nonsense now and I’m sick of it. Fair argument and well made as usual! Barnes missed a big chunk of if I remember correctly Burn too along with Botman and Trips was knackered quite often too. Apologies if I’m misremembering… I think the other feature of that season was the cup draws, every time we seemed to overturn the odds the next game was harder. I do take your point about the relentlessness of season after season with big injuries as a supporter that does fuck you off and like you say it gets glossed over in the main. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitley mag Posted February 11 Share Posted February 11 From Levy trying to scupper our takeover, the signings of Judas/Gazza and regular aggro when walking back to Seven Sisters in the 80’s and 90’s, I do enjoy it when these cunts fall on bad times. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nufcjmc Posted February 11 Share Posted February 11 (edited) hurts my eyes following this but it seemed like we just didnt have rotation options in that season only 11 fit senior players to go again and again is my recollection of that season: https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/newcastle-united/ausfallzeiten/verein/762?reldata=GB1%262023 and while we werent top with the number of players out that year it was the number of days lost that was the biggest killer everyone who got injured it was never an impact rest and recovery type injury: taken from here: https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/articles/cq55wy2qx21o Edited February 11 by nufcjmc Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
leffe186 Posted February 11 Share Posted February 11 6 minutes ago, Monters said: Fair argument and well made as usual! Barnes missed a big chunk of if I remember correctly Burn too along with Botman and Trips was knackered quite often too. Apologies if I’m misremembering… I think the other feature of that season was the cup draws, every time we seemed to overturn the odds the next game was harder. I do take your point about the relentlessness of season after season with big injuries as a supporter that does fuck you off and like you say it gets glossed over in the main. Yeah, we talk about it in general terms but I wanted to look at it in more detail. Like, Vicario will probably start at least 50 games this season but I don’t think more than one other player will even manage to get on the pitch for 40. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nufcjmc Posted February 11 Share Posted February 11 1 minute ago, leffe186 said: Yeah, we talk about it in general terms but I wanted to look at it in more detail. Like, Vicario will probably start at least 50 games this season but I don’t think more than one other player will even manage to get on the pitch for 40. I definitely feel for you it does seem that when the players get injured its big injuries, using the same site its a lot of red hospital squares: https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/tottenham-hotspur/ausfallzeiten/verein/148 In theory it can in a strange way benefit a team galvanise a group of players siege mentality us vs the world etc when you have a small group to work with. But it does come down to squad harmony and if that's there to instil that sort of ethos. I don't know enough about your squad to know who your leaders are and who the team will rally around when it maybe cant come from a manager who has been there 5 mins. The manager has been dealt a bad hand definitely as they want to try and move forward and what they want to do is hindered by who is available I guess the hope is you limp to the end of the season and rebuild again hopefully in the prem (seriously I just don't see you getting relegated) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
leffe186 Posted February 11 Share Posted February 11 8 minutes ago, nufcjmc said: hurts my eyes following this but it seemed like we just didnt have rotation options in that season only 11 fit senior players to go again and again is my recollection of that season: https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/newcastle-united/ausfallzeiten/verein/762?reldata=GB1%262023 and while we werent top with the number of players out that year it was the number of days lost that was the biggest killer everyone who got injured it was never an impact rest and recovery type injury: taken from here: https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/articles/cq55wy2qx21o Yeah, do you remember your worst period? I just picked a date close to this one (Feb 10) and this was the lineup: NO.NAME 1Martin Dúbravka 4Sven Botman 5Fabian Schär 33Dan Burn 2Kieran Trippier 39Bruno Guimarães 67Lewis Miley 21Tino Livramento 36Sean Longstaff 9Callum Wilson 10Anthony Gordon 17Emil Krafth 24Miguel Almirón 15Harvey Barnes SUBSTITUTES 6Jamaal Lascelles 23Jacob Murphy 3Paul Dummett 18Loris Karius 11Matt Ritchie 20Lewis Hall Presumably Pope, Isak, Joelinton injured, Tonali building up fitness? Who else am I missing? Were you out of the CL by then? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nufcjmc Posted February 11 Share Posted February 11 (edited) 4 minutes ago, leffe186 said: Yeah, do you remember your worst period? I just picked a date close to this one (Feb 10) and this was the lineup: NO.NAME 1Martin Dúbravka 4Sven Botman 5Fabian Schär 33Dan Burn 2Kieran Trippier 39Bruno Guimarães 67Lewis Miley 21Tino Livramento 36Sean Longstaff 9Callum Wilson 10Anthony Gordon 17Emil Krafth 24Miguel Almirón 15Harvey Barnes SUBSTITUTES 6Jamaal Lascelles 23Jacob Murphy 3Paul Dummett 18Loris Karius 11Matt Ritchie 20Lewis Hall Presumably Pope, Isak, Joelinton injured, Tonali building up fitness? Who else am I missing? Were you out of the CL by then? I honestly don't, but yes old champions league format we were out by middle of December the win against Sunderland in the cup in the Jan sent us on a bit of a upward trajectory in terms of results which I assume was linked to improved injuries and no longer playing twice a week. https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/newcastle-united/spielplan/verein/762/saison_id/2023 got dicey for Howe in the December few back to back prem loses, out of champions league trying to win against AC Milan instead of holding for the draw which I think would have been enough to us getting knocked down into the europa and then I think trips mistake against chelsea in the cup ultimately losing to Chelsea on pens in the qtr final. Edited February 11 by nufcjmc Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
leffe186 Posted February 11 Share Posted February 11 (edited) 8 minutes ago, nufcjmc said: I definitely feel for you it does seem that when the players get injured its big injuries, using the same site its a lot of red hospital squares: https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/tottenham-hotspur/ausfallzeiten/verein/148 In theory it can in a strange way benefit a team galvanise a group of players siege mentality us vs the world etc when you have a small group to work with. But it does come down to squad harmony and if that's there to instil that sort of ethos. I don't know enough about your squad to know who your leaders are and who the team will rally around when it maybe cant come from a manager who has been there 5 mins. The manager has been dealt a bad hand definitely as they want to try and move forward and what they want to do is hindered by who is available I guess the hope is you limp to the end of the season and rebuild again hopefully in the prem (seriously I just don't see you getting relegated) Yeah - see my post before about the Captain. The leaders are Romero (suspended), Madders (going to miss the whole season), Kulu (going to miss the whole season), Davies (out for the rest of the season) and maybe Bentancur (out for the rest of the season) and Porro (out for a while). That’s part of the problem. Really the prime candidate is Conor Gallagher right now but he’s only just got here. VDV another candidate but we’re just waiting for his season-ending injury. Edited February 11 by leffe186 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wong989 Posted February 11 Share Posted February 11 I don't mind Spurs supporters generally, its more that I despise Levy and the whole money, marketing, getting the NFL in...I see them as having gotten Cartel status because of financials and enriching some of the power brokers. I don't think they deserve this status they've got. And God damn it I just hate Levy, and of course Waddle, Gazza, Ginola. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sempuki Posted February 11 Share Posted February 11 1 hour ago, SteV said: If the figures in the media are correct it’s cost around £30m to have Frank for half a season. Astonishing. Nice work if you can get it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MagMal Posted February 11 Share Posted February 11 Both sides have had lots of injuries that have impacted, but the difference is that spurs have loads of cunty players where ours pulled together as a team. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lazarus Posted February 11 Share Posted February 11 1 hour ago, SteV said: If the figures in the media are correct it’s cost around £30m to have Frank for half a season. Astonishing. Bruce firing off his application as we speak Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
leffe186 Posted February 11 Share Posted February 11 (edited) 59 minutes ago, wong989 said: I don't mind Spurs supporters generally, its more that I despise Levy and the whole money, marketing, getting the NFL in...I see them as having gotten Cartel status because of financials and enriching some of the power brokers. I don't think they deserve this status they've got. And God damn it I just hate Levy, and of course Waddle, Gazza, Ginola. We were really good in the 80s. We were really bad in the 90s (bad timing with the Premier League). But it does sometimes seem like people pretend the years from 2009-2022 never happened. Edit: I realize you have a specific reason to do so Edited February 11 by leffe186 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
toontownman Posted February 11 Share Posted February 11 On the upside for Spuds. Wolves and Burnley arent catching them. They should be fine. A new coach should see them pick up enough points. Even more of an epic disaster, than the PL season has been if they go down at this point. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fak Posted February 11 Share Posted February 11 Ange was due on The Overlap next week but they brought him in today with the Frank news. Released tomorrow. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elma Posted February 11 Share Posted February 11 8 minutes ago, leffe186 said: We were really good in the 80s. We were really bad in the 90s (bad timing with the Premier League). But it does sometimes seem like people pretend the years from 2009-2022 never happened. Edit: I realize you have a specific reason to do so I remember Spurs being very good in the 80s. Two FA Cups (plus a final in 87), a Cup Winners Cup, and we regularly got stuffed at White Hart Lane. Hated playing down there. Although we'd not won anything for years, after our stadium expansion and the KK years, when Ashley came in in 2008 Spurs and NUFC were fairly even in league placing and income. From that point of view ENIC were far superior custodians, growing the club and infrastructure during the boom years of the Premier League while Ashley let us rot. Spurs have lost their way a bit on the pitch recently though with poor signings and managerial appointments, to the point where you'd argue whether they are still part of the "big six", especially with us and Villa growing our income and performing at a higher level. Get the next managerial appointment right though and the physical infrastructure is there. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeordieDazzler Posted February 11 Share Posted February 11 I mean last season Spurs had one point more than we did when we went down with Rafa (a total that would still have went down that season). They should be okay but the fact there is one relegation spot definitely in play means they can’t assume anything. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteV Posted February 11 Share Posted February 11 Before yesterday I was absolutely convinced Spurs were in no danger of going down, and I probably still am, but that first half performance was massively concerning. I know they were similar against Man City, but they can do that to you. To be absolutely dominated at home by us in our current situation, should set alarm bells ringing. Have we ever had 9 corners in the first half of a PL game away from home before? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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