Deuce Posted January 17 Share Posted January 17 (edited) They’ve been unlucky with injuries. But there’s more than enough in today’s squad that they should be easily dealing with West Ham at home. Edited January 17 by Deuce Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fountain Posted January 17 Share Posted January 17 3 hours ago, RodneyCisse said: Who’d be daft enough to go there next? Regis Le Bris Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexf Posted January 17 Share Posted January 17 Things can swing so easily from 5th to 14th. A couple of wins or losses can make a a big impact. We have some honking fixtures on the way, so could find ourselves bottom half again just as quickly as we shot up to 6th last week. Really hope fans can stay sensible if that happens. Unlikely . It's gonna be "Howe out" again presumably. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gazza ladra Posted January 18 Share Posted January 18 35 minutes ago, Deuce said: They’ve been unlucky with injuries. But there’s more than enough in today’s squad that they should be easily dealing with West Ham ----- Sounds too familiar. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteV Posted January 18 Share Posted January 18 https://x.com/jacobsteinberg/status/2012798058245870079?s=46&t=OQLMckSuatbpqWF13Al4mQ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben Posted January 18 Share Posted January 18 Who could Spurs possibly turn to if they sack Frank ? The squad is poor and will take 3 or 4 transfer windows to sort out, sacking another manager just kicks the can further down the road. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteV Posted January 18 Share Posted January 18 5 minutes ago, Ben said: Who could Spurs possibly turn to if they sack Frank ? The squad is poor and will take 3 or 4 transfer windows to sort out, sacking another manager just kicks the can further down the road. https://www.skysports.com/football/news/11095/13491070/ryan-mason-west-brom-announce-sacking-of-former-tottenham-midfielder-after-seven-months-in-charge-at-the-hawthorns Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yorkie Posted January 18 Share Posted January 18 1 hour ago, SteV said: https://x.com/jacobsteinberg/status/2012798058245870079?s=46&t=OQLMckSuatbpqWF13Al4mQ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CallumG6 Posted January 18 Share Posted January 18 26 minutes ago, Ben said: Who could Spurs possibly turn to if they sack Frank ? The squad is poor and will take 3 or 4 transfer windows to sort out, sacking another manager just kicks the can further down the road. I reckon they’ll have a shortlist drawn up already, my guess who’s on it would be Glasner, Le Bris and Amorim. Or go full Spurs and get Ange back. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben Posted January 18 Share Posted January 18 1 minute ago, CallumG6 said: I reckon they’ll have a shortlist drawn up already, my guess who’s on it would be Glasner, Le Bris and Amorim. Or go full Spurs and get Ange back. Le Bris would be glorious Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
leffe186 Posted January 18 Share Posted January 18 17 hours ago, Pixelphish said: @leffe186 Think he’s finished after that? Or axed in summer. I think in the grand scheme of things he was finished before that but yeah, I do think it’s just a question of “when” now. This was the one result that I think could have accelerated the process. Before this I think we were generally pretty confident he’d get the season, rightly or wrongly. I do think he hasn’t had much luck, but as it stands he’s failed in so many ways. As a manager you have to win matches, develop players, inspire the fans. I don’t ultimately see much evidence of any of that. This is just the latest in a long line of awful performances, and we’re nearly in February. There was some question in the thread about whose appointment he is and the feeling is that it was ultimately Levy, with Vinai having the responsibility thrust upon him now rather than actually instigating it. We can talk about the flux behind the scenes, the insane amount of injuries, the young and often mediocre squad (at least the fit ones) but his job is to manage a Premier League team and one with significant resources. Of course it always takes time, but the approach is clearly wrong and the results are there for all to see. Losing to West Ham in the current League situation and in the manner in which it happened is genuinely completely unacceptable. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
andycap Posted January 18 Share Posted January 18 I think he'll get the boot spurs fans can be very inpatient. They finished 17th last year now expect to be top four. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
leffe186 Posted January 18 Share Posted January 18 12 minutes ago, andycap said: I think he'll get the boot spurs fans can be very inpatient. They finished 17th last year now expect to be top four. With all due respect, you are talking absolute shite. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
duo Posted January 18 Share Posted January 18 2 minutes ago, leffe186 said: With all due respect, you are talking absolute shite. What do you expect? Surely Thomas Frank needs time to sort it out. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
andycap Posted January 18 Share Posted January 18 53 minutes ago, leffe186 said: With all due respect, you are talking absolute shite. In what way your lot are baying for blood already. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
leffe186 Posted January 18 Share Posted January 18 36 minutes ago, andycap said: In what way your lot are baying for blood already. In the meaning of the words you used. There’s a world of difference between expecting to be top four and expecting to be motivated, play good, coherent football and win home games against West Ham. Particularly given the money fans in the ground are paying. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
leffe186 Posted January 18 Share Posted January 18 1 hour ago, duo said: What do you expect? Surely Thomas Frank needs time to sort it out. Yeah, I do agree, but it feels like absolutely no progress is being made. We’ve gone from unwatchable football under Ange to unwatchable football under Frank. With Ange, at least you could see that the ambition was there and the expectations. It was just top often a bit silly on the pitch. With Frank the injuries have actually been worse, but we’ve invested a significant amount to mitigate that. His rhetoric has been counterproductive too, with far too much talking up of the opposition. One thought when he came in was that he would be better than Ange at adapting tactics to the other teams and in his first three or four games that seemed to be the case, but he’s failed comprehensively to do this in multiple games since. It’s objectively hilarious to see people rinsing us for high expectations when we just lost at home to West Ham who haven’t won in forever, putting us in genuine reach of the relegation spots. It’s not November, it’s nearly February. Even without the context of multiple other abject performances and results, you’d be asking questions. In the light of those performances, minimal sign of improvement on the pitch, generally dull football, an apparent failure to motivate both players and fans and the huge sums fans are expected to fork out to watch, of course we’re pissed off. On the face of it he’s currently failing to improve players, to develop a coherent playing style, to play attractive football, to motivate the team, to inspire the fans and to get results. And we’re still routinely getting a couple of significant injuries every game. I was hoping we’d at least get a result yesterday to settle things down a bit and confirm he’ll get the rest of the season but it wasn’t to be. If he was actually out of his depth this is exactly what it would look like. He’s been unlucky in some ways, but there genuinely doesn’t seem to be any evidence of sorting anything out. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erikse Posted January 18 Share Posted January 18 (edited) 25 minutes ago, leffe186 said: Yeah, I do agree, but it feels like absolutely no progress is being made. We’ve gone from unwatchable football under Ange to unwatchable football under Frank. With Ange, at least you could see that the ambition was there and the expectations. It was just top often a bit silly on the pitch. With Frank the injuries have actually been worse, but we’ve invested a significant amount to mitigate that. His rhetoric has been counterproductive too, with far too much talking up of the opposition. One thought when he came in was that he would be better than Ange at adapting tactics to the other teams and in his first three or four games that seemed to be the case, but he’s failed comprehensively to do this in multiple games since. It’s objectively hilarious to see people rinsing us for high expectations when we just lost at home to West Ham who haven’t won in forever, putting us in genuine reach of the relegation spots. It’s not November, it’s nearly February. Even without the context of multiple other abject performances and results, you’d be asking questions. In the light of those performances, minimal sign of improvement on the pitch, generally dull football, an apparent failure to motivate both players and fans and the huge sums fans are expected to fork out to watch, of course we’re pissed off. On the face of it he’s currently failing to improve players, to develop a coherent playing style, to play attractive football, to motivate the team, to inspire the fans and to get results. And we’re still routinely getting a couple of significant injuries every game. I was hoping we’d at least get a result yesterday to settle things down a bit and confirm he’ll get the rest of the season but it wasn’t to be. If he was actually out of his depth this is exactly what it would look like. He’s been unlucky in some ways, but there genuinely doesn’t seem to be any evidence of sorting anything out. Agree with this. I really don't see Frank turning this around at all, and it will just keep going like this until he's out. The need to be patient isn't unconditional. Edited January 18 by Erikse Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
leffe186 Posted January 19 Share Posted January 19 BTW, anyone looking for some schadenfreude and/or a neat breakdown of the issues we face right now should check out the latest “View From The Lane” podcast from The Athletic. Well worth a listen. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben Posted January 19 Share Posted January 19 12 minutes ago, leffe186 said: BTW, anyone looking for some schadenfreude and/or a neat breakdown of the issues we face right now should check out the latest “View From The Lane” podcast from The Athletic. Well worth a listen. I think Dortmund @ 27/20 tomorrow is basically buying money considering Spurs don't have a midfield to put out. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
leffe186 Posted January 19 Share Posted January 19 1 hour ago, Ben said: I think Dortmund @ 27/20 tomorrow is basically buying money considering Spurs don't have a midfield to put out. Funnily enough the forwards and the defence are a bigger problem - they’re mainly injured/ineligible and VDV is suspended. The bench will be kids. Injuries: Maddison, Kulusevski, Kudus, Bentancur, Palinha, Gray, Simons, Richarlison, Davies. Hopefully Bergvall is OK and Gray and Simons might be able to play. Ineligible: Solanke and Dragusin - we had to leave them out because they were injured for so long. Suspended: VDV. Udogie is just coming back from injury but the team will probably be something like: Vicario Porro Danso Romero Spence/Udogie Gallagher Bissouma Odobert Simons Tel Kolo Muani If Simons is out then maybe Bergvall. Subs will be kids plus maybe Gray if he’s fit. Odobert isn’t a RW but there’s nobody else. Most of our good kids are on loan or injured, but there are a couple of very good 16-year olds we might see. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Bonk Posted January 19 Share Posted January 19 Worst home win percentage of any Spurs manager since 2008. Mason and Mou having the same win % is mental. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pilko Posted January 19 Share Posted January 19 Sherwood top of the shop Bring back the gilet for the new interim manager! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gbandit Posted January 19 Share Posted January 19 18.2%, remarkable he’s still in a job Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TBG Posted January 19 Share Posted January 19 (edited) Can see Carrick getting it. They'll look at what he does with Man Utd i.e keeps them comfortably up in 12th position which would be an improvement for Spurs. Edited January 19 by TBG Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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