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[leffe186]

31 minutes ago, TBG said:

Can see Carrick getting it. 

 

They'll look at what he does with Man Utd i.e keeps them comfortably up in 12th position which would be an improvement for Spurs.

 

 

 

One thing mentioned on the podcast I recommend is that they’ve missed a very good opportunity to get Carrick in now, at least as caretaker. There just aren’t any obvious candidates immediately. It sounds like they were thinking Frank would be able to get through to the end of the season when they could take stock, but that may no longer be an option.

[Wolfcastle]

1 hour ago, The Bonk said:

Worst home win percentage of any Spurs manager since 2008.



Mason and Mou having the same win % is mental.  

Was just saying the other day in another thread that instead of trying the method of hiring a manager that had done well with less resources at a smaller club expecting it to simply transfer to them despite the totally different scenario they should try a less pretentious Allardyce type and then learn this.

[TRC]

Gonna need these lads to win against Dortmund to keep the 5 CL places alive and Frank in a job until we play them.

[SteV]

1 hour ago, TRC said:

Gonna need these lads to win against Dortmund to keep the 5 CL places alive and Frank in a job until we play them.

Don’t think there’s any issue whatsoever with the 5 CL places, but agree we could do with a win for them to keep Tommy Wank going for another week or three.

[Disco]

4 hours ago, leffe186 said:

Funnily enough the forwards and the defence are a bigger problem - they’re mainly injured/ineligible and VDV is suspended. The bench will be kids.

 

Injuries: Maddison, Kulusevski, Kudus, Bentancur, Palinha, Gray, Simons, Richarlison, Davies. Hopefully Bergvall is  OK and Gray and Simons might be able to play.

 

Ineligible: Solanke and Dragusin - we had to leave them out because they were injured for so long.

 

Suspended: VDV.

 

Udogie is just coming back from injury but the team will probably be something like:

Vicario

Porro Danso Romero Spence/Udogie

Gallagher Bissouma 

Odobert Simons Tel

Kolo Muani

 

If Simons is out then maybe Bergvall.

 

Subs will be kids plus maybe Gray if he’s fit. Odobert isn’t a RW but there’s nobody else. Most of our good kids are on loan or injured, but there are a couple of very good 16-year olds we might see.

 

 

Sure I read Solanke has been swapped in for Tel for your CL squad. 

[LFEE]

32 minutes ago, Disco said:

Sure I read Solanke has been swapped in for Tel for your CL squad. 

 Correct. Much to the dismay of Tel.

[toon25]

How much did Tel cost?

 

Looks like a competition winner every time I've seen him. Weak as piss

[Disco]

22 minutes ago, toon25 said:

How much did Tel cost?

 

Looks like a competition winner every time I've seen him. Weak as piss

£30-35m but tbf to him he’s not a proper centre forward so he was always going to be a bit shit. Like the abundance of 6/10 midfielders they’ve got they seem to be stockpiling forwards who are best off the left but not really that good and a bit lightweight.

[leffe186]

1 hour ago, Disco said:

Sure I read Solanke has been swapped in for Tel for your CL squad. 

Yeah they confirmed that today. We could switch Solabke back in if we thought he’d recovered from his injury.

 

There are significant complaints over that as well - Tel has been a real bright spot over the last couple of games but has been brought off in both to the derision of the fans. It just looks like mismanagement from top to bottom right now but without knowing the details we’re just guessing.

 

Seriously, I know it’s a different team’s podcast but the last VFTL does not pull punches. There are very serious concerns about the management team and that goes well above Frank.

[Disco]

1 hour ago, leffe186 said:

Seriously, I know it’s a different team’s podcast but the last VFTL does not pull punches. There are very serious concerns about the management team and that goes well above Frank.

Yeah I often have a schadenfreude listen if you’ve been shit but didn’t realise that there was a) that much ill willing towards Frank and b) what a mess things were post Levy (who was also absolutely shite at anything on field post Poch). 

[leffe186]

5 hours ago, Disco said:

Yeah I often have a schadenfreude listen if you’ve been shit but didn’t realise that there was a) that much ill willing towards Frank and b) what a mess things were post Levy (who was also absolutely shite at anything on field post Poch). 

It’s really concerning. The transition from Levy has been the trickiest part because he was obviously so involved in everything - for better and worse. We knew this, and it’s possible that there was no way to get pieces in place to make the transition easier, but there simply aren’t enough football people of enough experience and nous in place to guide us through this. 
 

The hope is that we can get through the season and get those people in place in time for the next. We do have a promising young squad and enough money in place to bolster it with experience, but the problem is that we’re trying to put an entire structure in place simultaneously. A good manager would help bring that team together, or a good director of football, or arguably a good CEO. There’s a distinct possibility we don’t have any of those.

[Dr.Spaceman]

13 hours ago, The Bonk said:

Worst home win percentage of any Spurs manager since 2008.



Mason and Mou having the same win % is mental.  

 

They've had some shockers over the years. Remember Christian Gross 

[Elma]

39 minutes ago, Dr.Spaceman said:

 

They've had some shockers over the years. Remember Christian Gross 

 

Very true, but can any Premier League club beat Joe Kinnear, Steve Bruce, Steve McClaren and John Carver? 

[leffe186]

20 hours ago, leffe186 said:

Funnily enough the forwards and the defence are a bigger problem - they’re mainly injured/ineligible and VDV is suspended. The bench will be kids.

 

Injuries: Maddison, Kulusevski, Kudus, Bentancur, Palinha, Gray, Simons, Richarlison, Davies. Hopefully Bergvall is  OK and Gray and Simons might be able to play.

 

Ineligible: Solanke and Dragusin - we had to leave them out because they were injured for so long.

 

Suspended: VDV.

 

Udogie is just coming back from injury but the team will probably be something like:

Vicario

Porro Danso Romero Spence/Udogie

Gallagher Bissouma 

Odobert Simons Tel

Kolo Muani

 

If Simons is out then maybe Bergvall.

 

Subs will be kids plus maybe Gray if he’s fit. Odobert isn’t a RW but there’s nobody else. Most of our good kids are on loan or injured, but there are a couple of very good 16-year olds we might see.

 

 

Urgh, forgot Bissouma is ineligible too. If Gray and Simons are out then I have no idea what we will do. Maybe 3-4-3?

[leffe186]

5 hours ago, leffe186 said:

Urgh, forgot Bissouma is ineligible too. If Gray and Simons are out then I have no idea what we will do. Maybe 3-4-3?

Gallagher ineligible too I guess

[alexf]

Dunno if it's just me but feel like Spurs will be fine if Solanke gets back playing regularly and few other injuries clear up (Kulesevski, Madison, Udogie) 

 

Fans and media are so hysterically over the top most of the time and just want to hound people out. 

 

Dreading this place once we inevitably lose a chunk of our horrible run of fixtures on the horizon.

[leffe186]

9 hours ago, alexf said:

Dunno if it's just me but feel like Spurs will be fine if Solanke gets back playing regularly and few other injuries clear up (Kulesevski, Madison, Udogie) 

 

Fans and media are so hysterically over the top most of the time and just want to hound people out. 

 

Dreading this place once we inevitably lose a chunk of our horrible run of fixtures on the horizon.

Yeah, Solanke is very important to the team to link the play, hold the ball up and press defences. We’ve missed him enormously. Richarlison is so hit and miss and technically deficient, even on the rare occasions he’s fit, Tel is raw (but lots of potential) and Kolo Muani just seems a bit demotivated.

 

Above all, yesterday’s another illustration of the gulf between the Premier League and the other European leagues. Inter are top of Serie A and haven’t  lost a game in ages but Arsenal beat them handily in Milan in a game they could afford to lose anyway. We’re nearly unable to field a full professional XI and in a state on and off the pitch yet were taking apart Borussia Dortmund even before the silly Euro VAR red card. Dortmund are comfortably second in the Bundesliga and also hadn’t lost for ages. 
 

If nothing else, the Burnley game will be interesting.

[Lush Vlad]

They looked very good in the first half.  I didn't watch the second.  Even before the red, they should have had a couple of goals and Dortmund barely got out of their half.  

[Lush Vlad]

44 minutes ago, leffe186 said:

Yeah, Solanke is very important to the team to link the play, hold the ball up and press defences. We’ve missed him enormously. Richarlison is so hit and miss and technically deficient, even on the rare occasions he’s fit, Tel is raw (but lots of potential) and Kolo Muani just seems a bit demotivated.

 

Above all, yesterday’s another illustration of the gulf between the Premier League and the other European leagues. Inter are top of Serie A and haven’t  lost a game in ages but Arsenal beat them handily in Milan in a game they could afford to lose anyway. We’re nearly unable to field a full professional XI and in a state on and off the pitch yet were taking apart Borussia Dortmund even before the silly Euro VAR red card. Dortmund are comfortably second in the Bundesliga and also hadn’t lost for ages. 
 

If nothing else, the Burnley game will be interesting.

 

I was saying to a Spurs supporting mate this morning.  Do you not think the styles and pace of the game come into it in Europe?  As I think tactically and in possession, European teams can be just as good or better than us.  Even the ones with much smaller budgets and no big name players.

 

But watching you in that first half last night and in the European games I've been to at SJP.  It often seems like early on, teams can really struggle to get to grips with how fast and physical the game is.  If they ride that out, they often come back into it and assert some control.  But an early goal often means game over.  

[madras]

2 minutes ago, Lush Vlad said:

 

I was saying to a Spurs supporting mate this morning.  Do you not think the styles and pace of the game come into it in Europe?  As I think tactically and in possession, European teams can be just as good or better than us.  Even the ones with much smaller budgets and no big name players.

 

But watching you in that first half last night and in the European games I've been to at SJP.  It often seems like early on, teams can really struggle to get to grips with how fast and physical the game is.  If they ride that out, they often come back into it and assert some control.  But an early goal often means game over.  

Other way round isnt it ? Their technique keeps them in the game as they can match us physically earlier on, its as the game goes on and they can't keep up the physicality that we pull away.

[Lush Vlad]

2 minutes ago, madras said:

Other way round isnt it ? Their technique keeps them in the game as they can match us physically earlier on, its as the game goes on and they can't keep up the physicality that we pull away.

 

Not always, no.  I'd argue that would often be to do with English teams having much bigger squads and strength in depth when that is the case.

 

I thought Athletic Bilbao and Benfica they struggled a bit early on and then did come back into it later in the game.  Whether that is because we had a lead and were happy to sit off is another matter.  But it was noticeable.

 

Athletic went a bit more gung ho as they had so many injuries and such a small squad, it felt like that was a tactic.  But late on they were moving the ball about really well.  Benfica we got two great late goals and they were pretty poor for the most part.  But it certainly felt early like they were rabbits in the headlights and we could have killed them off.  Before they actually settled into the game a bit. 

 

Milan the last CL campaign I felt the same and whilst it was a very different PSG side.  They seemed a bit taken aback at how aggressive and fast we were in that first half.

 

I often watch English teams at home in Europe, such as Spurs last night and it seems like players are just overmatched physically and seem shell shocked early doors.  Rabbits in the headlights stuff from Dortmund.   

[leffe186]

Yeah I believe Bodø/Glimt said something similar after our Europa League games. We battered them at ours where they were just trying damage-limitation from the first minute, and then took them apart at theirs too. I think the VFTL podcast had spoken to a couple of Norwegian guys who said they’d been taken aback by the speed and physicality and went back to the drawing board to combat it.

 

One thing that English clubs have become better at is the, well, cheating part. Man City and Arsenal are so good at those little cynical spoiling fouls it’s kind of a surprise when it gets called out, like it did yesterday. Combine that with the speed and physicality and set pieces - Arsenal are miles ahead right now.

[SteV]

 

An operation on a sprained ankle!?

[gbandit]

That’s awful news for Spurs as he’s quality. Think their second half to the season is going to be a continued mess

[SEMTEX]

25 minutes ago, SteV said:

 

An operation on a sprained ankle!?

 

High ankle sprain isn't the same as a normal one. Likely means torn ligaments above the ankle.