Exiled in Texas Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 Let's be honest....there is a huge difference between saying "we don't want you....go" and "this is huge offer, one that we think is too good to turn down, and so we are going to accept it" This was a situation where plans changed. I don't think NUFC wanted to sell Andy, and I think that he was happy to stay. But that was when the bids were around 15-20-25M. Once they hit 30 and 35 the situation changed for NUFC, and once the wages went to 80K then I think it changed for Andy too. This turned into a situation that was too good for both Andy and the club (looking longer term than we are - and future investment opportunities) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Shaun Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 I'm over it. Took the cunt out of my fantasy football. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SUPERTOON Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 I'm over it. Took the c*** out of my fantasy football. But have you edited football manager? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wormy Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 Anyone reading those quotes from Carroll can't still believe he's in the wrong here. Yes, he might be talking s*** as well, but it's impossible to believe the club's side of the story here when they've lied about virtually everything since they Ashley took over. WHAT!!!! Carroll has said he asked for a new contract AFTER liverpool had made a bid, in a bid to get more money from the whole saga which just strikes as utter greed from him and his agent. Now hold on a second here. Did he say anything about the terms of that contract? Couldn't the new contract be considered an indication that he wasn't interested in going? After 2 months after signing one. That should be enough in anyone's book. You only ask for a new contract after signing one 2 months earlier for MONEY! Of course a new contract is about money but his value has basically gone from next to nothing to 30 odd million in a year. He's our best and most important player and yet he's on 30k a week, while others are on a lot more. I think i'd be asking for a new contract as well. Not 2 Months after signing a new one. I think even Ashley would have accepted negotiations at the end of the season. But 2 months just because a club's put in a ridiculous bid is taking the piss. It's nothing to do with his market value. It's to do with a precedent it sets, no matter what you say about it being an exceptional case or whatever, that's not the way it'll be seen. Other players will see it as a marker that they can demand a new contract after a purple patch of form and they don't think they're being valued highly. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 Not 2 Months after signing a new one. Because ? He wasnt being valued at 35m two months ago tiote will now be valued at more than 3.5mill, jose at more than 6mill....should they bang on the door for a new contract after any good run of form ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zero Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 Jayson, back the square one, do you think the club should bow down to Carroll's ridiculous demand? Ashley has decided that Carroll should be sold once helding the club to ransom (pretty clear, please) and rest, yes, is manipulation. What's wrong with that then? Ashley's trying his best to get the max money for the club (or himself, anyway) which is correct. Or you think Ashley should tell Carroll "My dear son, you shouldn't do that, no next time ok?" and let Carroll to create troubles within the team? Helding the club to ransom is unacceptable at any case. Carroll's asking for a new contract AFTER Liverpool made the bid. FFS. I think this is a remarkable circumstance in which Carrolls previously agreed wage doesnt match the rest of the prems idea of his valuation. I think Carroll became obviously very aware of that & tried to use it to alter what he was making. I think we should have reacted to that by negotiating his contract yes. For other players no, in this situation yes. This situation probably hasnt ever happened in football before. Outside of that i doubt Carroll would have created issues if we'd just rejected the bid & wage increase demands. He gets on with the players in the side & loves the club. Adam is in a similar situation at blackpool. There were many other ways to do it, we wanted the money & i dont necessarily agree that it was the best decision for our club. Its just very debateable. Not for a player who just have 6 months EPL experience and 3 months after new contract's signed. I understand your point, really. I would accept it if Carroll agrees to sign a new contract of 90k after this season ends, subject to his performance. He is just too greedy by doing so NOW. What will other players feel if we really agree to his demands? If I am Enrique I would immediately submit a transfer request as well. That's not "ambition" but purely "unfair treatment". I do think Carroll has some "love" towards the club. But he has gone way too far this time (probably due to his agent) which Ashley has no choice but to sell him. It's a harsh lesson for him but sorry that's it. He probably just thinks "I am local lad, geordie, no.9, england regular international, superstar, etc and so I should get more. The club won't reject my demand as IT SOUNDS FAIR". This is probably what his agent told him since his agent knows he will get a lucrative commission in any case - a new contract or transfer to Liverpool. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 Not 2 Months after signing a new one. Because ? He wasnt being valued at 35m two months ago Well accroding to Carroll himself he was negotiating a contract before the 30 million bid even came in so your point is moot. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ads Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 I'm over it. Took the c*** out of my fantasy football. But have you edited football manager? I moved the cunt to Liverpool on FIFA. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Shaun Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 I'm over it. Took the c*** out of my fantasy football. But have you edited football manager? I took him off my England team. Cunt. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jayson Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 Not 2 Months after signing a new one. Because ? He wasnt being valued at 35m two months ago tiote will now be valued at more than 3.5mill, jose at more than 6mill....should they bang on the door for a new contract after any good run of form ? No. If another club comes in offering to triple their pay & several other clubs value them at about 4 or 5 times what they were previously worth then yeah theyre in a pretty strong position to be claiming their level of worth to our club should be negotiated Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdckelly Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 the problem with those saying new deal for carroll should have been given (if any are saying it) is what if a wage rise to 60k plus then summer rolls round, interest from lets say chelsea or man u offering him even more cash, what was to stop him from asking for same again Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest neesy111 Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 Not 2 Months after signing a new one. Because ? He wasnt being valued at 35m two months ago Don't care, football clubs should be offering contracts every 2 months to players. Just strikes as pure greed from him and his agent to use the whole situation to their advantage and it backfired. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jayson Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 Not 2 Months after signing a new one. Because ? He wasnt being valued at 35m two months ago Well accroding to Carroll himself he was negotiating a contract before the 30 million bid even came in so your point is moot. After spurs had just offered 25m ? I dont fully believe he was having talks about a contract previous to that either, i think hes just wording it cleverly. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest neesy111 Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 the problem with those saying new deal for carroll should have been given (if any are saying it) is what if a wage rise to 60k plus then summer rolls round, interest from lets say chelsea or man u offering him even more cash, what was to stop him from asking for same again A player after 6 months good form is not worth 70-80k a week on a 5 year contract. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SUPERTOON Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 He has to have more than 6 good months of football to be worth anywhere over 30k. He hasn't and isn't worth it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 Almeida 1.75 million? Jesus christ thats fucking ridiculous Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SGSC Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 Anyone reading those quotes from Carroll can't still believe he's in the wrong here. Yes, he might be talking s*** as well, but it's impossible to believe the club's side of the story here when they've lied about virtually everything since they Ashley took over. WHAT!!!! Carroll has said he asked for a new contract AFTER liverpool had made a bid, in a bid to get more money from the whole saga which just strikes as utter greed from him and his agent. Now hold on a second here. Did he say anything about the terms of that contract? Couldn't the new contract be considered an indication that he wasn't interested in going? After 2 months after signing one. That should be enough in anyone's book. You only ask for a new contract after signing one 2 months earlier for MONEY! Of course a new contract is about money but his value has basically gone from next to nothing to 30 odd million in a year. He's our best and most important player and yet he's on 30k a week, while others are on a lot more. I think i'd be asking for a new contract as well. He just signed a new contract. If he wasnt happy with it, he shouldnt have fucking signed it. It's not right to coem back 2 months later and ask for another one. May as well get the whole squad doing it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flip Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 f*** after all the club has done for this kid, he goes behind our backs and asks for a new f***ing contract. 3 Months ago he got a new contract, if he wasn't happy then why did he sign it? When he was in court, the club captain took him home and helped him out. How does he repay everyone? By f***ing us over, he's a f***ing judas and that's it. Enough, everyone knows Ashleys a t***, but Carroll has now joined that club. They're equally stupid, but on this one I'm on Ashleys hand. We got £36 million for a player barely worth half of it (talentwise) I know that if you look on how important he is we shouldn't have sold, but now its done and we mugged Liverpool anyways. At least it wasn't for like £15 million, it was £35 million. FFS he's not the 8th best player of all time, he wasn't even the 8th best player in this league. it's over move forward, blame Ashley, Derek, Andy, whoever, it wont change the fact that he's gone. I think Carroll has doe the right thing IF he did ask for a newer inproved contract. He'll be thinking £35m footballers are paid more than £30k pw so why should he be different. Common sense should have seen the Club deny both the bid and the request with a promise to renogotiate in the summer. But, you're correct he's gone now so - onwards and upwards. I agree with you that maybe if you look at todays football salaries he deserves better than £30k a week, but tell me why did he sign a new one in October then? Feels quite pointless doesn't it? If he had turned it down and asked for money then fine, but he was happy with it. He only has himself to blame. Now he has collected a good signing-on-fee for the new contract signing, and now for the transfer to liverpool as well as trippling his wage. Money is all for him to be honest. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jayson Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 the problem with those saying new deal for carroll should have been given (if any are saying it) is what if a wage rise to 60k plus then summer rolls round, interest from lets say chelsea or man u offering him even more cash, what was to stop him from asking for same again Nothing atall and he'd be in a reasonable position to do that? Contracts mean very little now, we've all known this for ages. A players worth is determined by what you have to do to keep hold of them & whether you're willing to do it. If the likes of Chelsea & Man utd are offering him ridiculous terms, then why would it be silly for us to do the same? When he signed his contract means very little. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flip Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 I'm over it. Took the c*** out of my fantasy football. But have you edited football manager? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Exiled in Texas Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 I said it earlier. But say tottenham were offered 35m for VDV instead at that point in the window. Do you think theyd have sold him? Heck, Yes they would. See Spurs/Berbatov! Harry/Spurs are the ultimate wheeler/dealer buy low/sell high club that turn their assets over to the betterment of the club. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest ObiChrisKenobi Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 AP: we made couple of bids last night: extortionate prices quoted No shit! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest neesy111 Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 Not 2 Months after signing a new one. Because ? He wasnt being valued at 35m two months ago tiote will now be valued at more than 3.5mill, jose at more than 6mill....should they bang on the door for a new contract after any good run of form ? When he signed the new contract he'd played 7 Prem games and that contract had probably been going on for a while, he's come a long way in short space of time. He's probably best striker in Prem based on his form before he got injured, I think this is very different circumstances from any of our other players. NUFC put him on a new contract after his good form in the championship as well, also he only had a couple of years left on his current one. Not almost 5 years. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueStar Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 Straws to clutch at - Potentially injury prone - Likely to get nicked/fail a drugs test/crash his car/fall off a stool drunk - May be one of those players who was going to be the next big thing but never realised his potential - Might do the same to the scousers, use them as a stepping stone and fuck off to Chelsea, Man City or Real as soon as he can (Sell on fee included in the 'add-ons'?) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest ObiChrisKenobi Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 Alan Pardew's presser is strongly suggesting that Andy Carroll's agent pushed Carroll towards Liverpool. This back and forth is going to go on for some time. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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