West Ham agree fee in region of £15m with Liverpool for Andy Carroll

[madras]

Well that's what we're disputing.

 

Still, it's a transfer request.

 

Under the shadiest circumstances ever.  Still don't understand how it warrants so much hatred.  I'd personally hate to have my bosses come up to me saying 'we don't want you, sign here and leave please.'

you'd tell them to f*** off though.

 

edit...every player knows that if someone comes in with a huge bid they are likely to be off with a massive pay rise to help ease the pain aswell.

[Guest neesy111]

Assuming that's all true I'd have done the same tbh.

why ?

 

no way if i thought the move would go through anyway would i put in a request.

 

He didn't.

if he didn't put in a request then the place will burn down.

 

Aye but he didn't, so it won't.  life will go on.

what do you know, everyone else is under the impression he did.

 

No they aren't lol.  Can you read?

 

So now there wasn't a transfer request at all?

 

Why would you assume there was?

 

Because it's being reported everywhere?

 

Even Caulkin, who says it was a ploy by Ashley, admitted that there was a transfer request and Carroll signed it.

 

it's different when it's shoved in your face and your made to sign it.  That's not a request, that's an order.

 

Since when did NUFC turn into some Iranian torture regime.

[Guest neesy111]

Fact is, Carroll could have easily refused to go.  Then go in public to say the club wanted him out, and then he would get his move in the summer easily to any club that is interested.  The whole saga doesn't add up even what viewpoint you take.

[Guest Shaun]

Assuming that's all true I'd have done the same tbh.

why ?

 

no way if i thought the move would go through anyway would i put in a request.

 

He didn't.

if he didn't put in a request then the place will burn down.

 

Aye but he didn't, so it won't.  life will go on.

what do you know, everyone else is under the impression he did.

 

No they aren't lol.  Can you read?

 

So now there wasn't a transfer request at all?

 

Why would you assume there was?

 

Because it's being reported everywhere?

 

Even Caulkin, who says it was a ploy by Ashley, admitted that there was a transfer request and Carroll signed it.

 

it's different when it's shoved in your face and your made to sign it.  That's not a request, that's an order.

 

Since when did NUFC turn into some Iranian torture regime.

Some people will say anything to pass the blame.

[Guest sittingontheball]

Of course he's happy at Liverpool now. He's being paid much more and he'll play in a better team. I'm not disputing that. I'm disputing the sequence of events that the club has put out. I'm disputing the fact that Carroll forced this through. I'm sure he's happy about the move now but thats affected by how he was treated by the owner of our club.

 

I agree with almost everything you've said in all your posts apart from the bold bit. Which is why this deal is so fishy and why your main opinion appears correct. Its only a sideways move for more money. It wouldn't make sense for Carroll to agitate to go to Liverpool. They're not CL bound, look at their fkn defence! Carroll himself scored against Liverpool because their new all-powerful saviour (no make that messiah!) Raul Mereiles gave him five yards to shoot in. The only consistent creativity they have is Glen Johnson. Their best player now is their keeper who is probably off in the summer. Two or three results aside, they're not a club on the up.

 

Caulkin says he wasn't unsettled and I believe him.

[Dr.Spaceman]

Well that's what we're disputing.

 

Still, it's a transfer request.

 

Under the shadiest circumstances ever.  Still don't understand how it warrants so much hatred.  I'd personally hate to have my bosses come up to me saying 'we don't want you, sign here and leave please.'

you'd tell them to f*** off though.

 

edit...every player knows that if someone comes in with a huge bid they are likely to be off with a massive pay rise to help ease the pain aswell.

 

What's wrong with accepting a pay rise? It's fucking human nature to want to do better for yourself.

[Guest neesy111]

Well that's what we're disputing.

 

Still, it's a transfer request.

 

Under the shadiest circumstances ever.  Still don't understand how it warrants so much hatred.  I'd personally hate to have my bosses come up to me saying 'we don't want you, sign here and leave please.'

you'd tell them to f*** off though.

 

edit...every player knows that if someone comes in with a huge bid they are likely to be off with a massive pay rise to help ease the pain aswell.

 

What's wrong with accepting a pay rise? It's fucking human nature to want to do better for yourself.

 

Because 95% of premiership footballers have more money than sense.  Also the guy said he wanted to be here for next 10 years.  If he really did, he could have easily refused to go.

[Dr.Spaceman]

Well that's what we're disputing.

 

Still, it's a transfer request.

 

Under the shadiest circumstances ever.  Still don't understand how it warrants so much hatred.  I'd personally hate to have my bosses come up to me saying 'we don't want you, sign here and leave please.'

you'd tell them to f*** off though.

 

edit...every player knows that if someone comes in with a huge bid they are likely to be off with a massive pay rise to help ease the pain aswell.

 

What's wrong with accepting a pay rise? It's fucking human nature to want to do better for yourself.

 

Because 95% of premiership footballers have more money than sense.

 

And? A pay rise is a pay rise.

[Foluwashola]

If we'd really wanted to keep him we would have offered him a new contract.

[Guest neesy111]

ALAN Pardew today hit back at Andy Carroll’s claim he was forced out of St James’s Park.

 

And Newcastle United’s manager also insisted he has been promised that Carroll’s £35m-plus fee will be reinvested in the team by owner Mike Ashley.

 

Carroll last night completed a transfer deadline day move to Liverpool after handing in a written transfer request.

 

But the striker told friends in a series of texts he didn’t want to leave Newcastle – and had been forced out because the United “wanted the money”.

 

However, Pardew says Carroll – who signed a new long-term contract in October – approached him about a new contract after training, and handed a transfer request in when the club baulked at renegotiating his deal so soon after it was signed.

 

Asked about Carroll’s texts, Pardew told the Gazette: “What can I say? We didn’t force anybody to leave.

 

“I disagree with that point. He had a contract here for five years, and at some point it would get renewed, but for him to sign in October and it get renewed in January – where would it stop?

 

“Personally, I’m disappointed. He’s a lovely lad, and I really like him, but it was his decision, and you can’t change that.

 

“Was this about football? That’s what you have to ask. I don’t think it was.”

 

Liverpool moved for Carroll after Chelsea hardened their interest in Fernando Torres, who last night joined Chelsea in a British-record £48m deal.

 

Pardew went on: “We turned down a big offer, and they came back with a second big offer.

 

“We were having a discussion about what we were going to do with that offer when Andy requested to see me.

 

“I went to see Andy, and face to face we had a conversation about him wanting a new contract, even though he signed on in October, and (he said) if he didn’t get that contract, he wanted go.

 

“I asked him what he wanted, and I went to the board. We had a discussion about what the ramifications would be for the whole club.

 

“We took the view, with him signing a contract in October, that this would cause us all sorts of problems.

 

“We decided that we needed the conversation confirmed, and he put in a transfer request, which he did.

 

“He spoke to his agent, and between them they put the request in. We decided with the size of the offer, and what it meant to us, that we would accept.”

 

Pardew – who “guaranteed” Carroll wouldn’t be sold after succeeding Chris Hughton in December – was unable to bring in a replacement given the last-minute nature of the deal, which was confirmed less than an hour before transfer-window deadline.

 

With Wayne Routledge and Xisco having left on loan, and only Stephen Ireland having signed, Pardew’s squad is significantly weaker than it was a month ago.

 

However, Pardew has taken Ashley’s assurances that the fee will be spent on players in the summer, and beyond, at face value.

 

“We weren’t expecting him to go, so we weren’t in a position to replace him,” added Pardew.

 

“One thing I can guarantee, having spoke to Mike Ashley, is that every penny will go back into the club. Mike’s assured me he won’t take a penny out of the transfer.”

 

And asked about his repeated assurances that Carroll wouldn’t be sold, Pardew said: “We never put him up for sale – we fended off a bid from another Premiership club.

 

“But no club’s about one player. We’re absolutely gutted that he’s gone. It’s disappointing, but we’re not in a financial position like Liverpool.”

 

[Guest neesy111]

If we'd really wanted to keep him we would have offered him a new contract.

 

And? Give him a new contract every 3 months man when he wants a pay rise.

[Dr.Spaceman]

If we'd really wanted to keep him we would have offered him a new contract.

 

And? Give him a new contract every 3 months man when he wants a pay rise.

 

What's to say he wanted a pay rise?

[Guest neesy111]

If we'd really wanted to keep him we would have offered him a new contract.

 

And? Give him a new contract every 3 months man when he wants a pay rise.

 

What's to say he wanted a pay rise?

 

He got a major one in November, players can't ask for new contracts every time they feel like it, strikes of money grabbing.

[taxfree]

If we'd really wanted to keep him we would have offered him a new contract.

 

And? Give him a new contract every 3 months man when he wants a pay rise.

 

Cause he wanted a new contract this one time like? Relax man. Should've given him one.

 

 

A major one which reportedly is a 40-ish k deal. Just like the one Ireland will get in other words. I'd say he's worth a heck of a lot more.

[Foluwashola]

If we'd really wanted to keep him we would have offered him a new contract.

 

And? Give him a new contract every 3 months man when he wants a pay rise.

 

Best player at the club should be on the highest tbh. When a big club comes knocking, the owner should be looking to keep his main asset by offering him a more lucrative deal.

 

Don't get me wrong, Carroll is a cunt for handing in a transfer request but more could have been done 

[Cunning_Linguist]

Will we EVER know the truth?

[Guest neesy111]

If we'd really wanted to keep him we would have offered him a new contract.

 

And? Give him a new contract every 3 months man when he wants a pay rise.

 

Cause he wanted a new contract this one time like? Relax man. Should've given him one.

 

2 months after his last major contract.  Not even Man Utd or Chelsea give out contracts every 2-3 months man.

[Guest sicko2ndbest]

He is a greedy fucking gypo!

[Dr.Spaceman]

If we'd really wanted to keep him we would have offered him a new contract.

 

And? Give him a new contract every 3 months man when he wants a pay rise.

 

Cause he wanted a new contract this one time like? Relax man. Should've given him one.

 

2 months after his last major contract.  Not even Man Utd or Chelsea give out contracts every 2-3 months man.

 

What's to say he wanted a new contract 2 months after his last one like?

[Hudson]

ALAN Pardew today hit back at Andy Carrolls claim he was forced out of St Jamess Park.

 

And Newcastle Uniteds manager also insisted he has been promised that Carrolls £35m-plus fee will be reinvested in the team by owner Mike Ashley.

 

Carroll last night completed a transfer deadline day move to Liverpool after handing in a written transfer request.

 

But the striker told friends in a series of texts he didnt want to leave Newcastle and had been forced out because the United wanted the money.

 

However, Pardew says Carroll who signed a new long-term contract in October approached him about a new contract after training, and handed a transfer request in when the club baulked at renegotiating his deal so soon after it was signed.

 

Asked about Carrolls texts, Pardew told the Gazette: What can I say? We didnt force anybody to leave.

 

I disagree with that point. He had a contract here for five years, and at some point it would get renewed, but for him to sign in October and it get renewed in January where would it stop?

 

Personally, Im disappointed. Hes a lovely lad, and I really like him, but it was his decision, and you cant change that.

 

Was this about football? Thats what you have to ask. I dont think it was.

 

Liverpool moved for Carroll after Chelsea hardened their interest in Fernando Torres, who last night joined Chelsea in a British-record £48m deal.

 

Pardew went on: We turned down a big offer, and they came back with a second big offer.

 

We were having a discussion about what we were going to do with that offer when Andy requested to see me.

 

I went to see Andy, and face to face we had a conversation about him wanting a new contract, even though he signed on in October, and (he said) if he didnt get that contract, he wanted go.

 

I asked him what he wanted, and I went to the board. We had a discussion about what the ramifications would be for the whole club.

 

We took the view, with him signing a contract in October, that this would cause us all sorts of problems.

 

We decided that we needed the conversation confirmed, and he put in a transfer request, which he did.

 

He spoke to his agent, and between them they put the request in. We decided with the size of the offer, and what it meant to us, that we would accept.

 

Pardew who guaranteed Carroll wouldnt be sold after succeeding Chris Hughton in December was unable to bring in a replacement given the last-minute nature of the deal, which was confirmed less than an hour before transfer-window deadline.

 

With Wayne Routledge and Xisco having left on loan, and only Stephen Ireland having signed, Pardews squad is significantly weaker than it was a month ago.

 

However, Pardew has taken Ashleys assurances that the fee will be spent on players in the summer, and beyond, at face value.

 

We werent expecting him to go, so we werent in a position to replace him, added Pardew.

 

One thing I can guarantee, having spoke to Mike Ashley, is that every penny will go back into the club. Mikes assured me he wont take a penny out of the transfer.

 

And asked about his repeated assurances that Carroll wouldnt be sold, Pardew said: We never put him up for sale we fended off a bid from another Premiership club.

 

But no clubs about one player. Were absolutely gutted that hes gone. Its disappointing, but were not in a financial position like Liverpool.

 

 

All that took place in a 10 minute time frame ? me thinks not

[Guest neesy111]

If we'd really wanted to keep him we would have offered him a new contract.

 

And? Give him a new contract every 3 months man when he wants a pay rise.

 

Best player at the club should be on the highest tbh. When a big club comes knocking, the owner should be looking to keep his main asset by offering him a more lucrative deal.

 

Don't get me wrong, Carroll is a cunt for handing in a transfer request but more could have been done 

 

Fact is though, he got a new contract in November.  To me we shouldn't even need to offer a new contract as if Carroll was not happy with the terms of the contract then he could of made it drag longer and longer until he got what he felt he deserved.  i.e. Steven Taylor did that

[Guest neesy111]

If we'd really wanted to keep him we would have offered him a new contract.

 

And? Give him a new contract every 3 months man when he wants a pay rise.

 

Cause he wanted a new contract this one time like? Relax man. Should've given him one.

 

2 months after his last major contract.  Not even Man Utd or Chelsea give out contracts every 2-3 months man.

 

What's to say he wanted a new contract 2 months after his last one like?

 

Pardew has said he asked for new contract, see his interview.

[Jayson]

ALAN Pardew today hit back at Andy Carroll’s claim he was forced out of St James’s Park.

 

And Newcastle United’s manager also insisted he has been promised that Carroll’s £35m-plus fee will be reinvested in the team by owner Mike Ashley.

 

Carroll last night completed a transfer deadline day move to Liverpool after handing in a written transfer request.

 

But the striker told friends in a series of texts he didn’t want to leave Newcastle – and had been forced out because the United “wanted the money”.

 

However, Pardew says Carroll – who signed a new long-term contract in October – approached him about a new contract after training, and handed a transfer request in when the club baulked at renegotiating his deal so soon after it was signed.

 

Asked about Carroll’s texts, Pardew told the Gazette: “What can I say? We didn’t force anybody to leave.

 

“I disagree with that point. He had a contract here for five years, and at some point it would get renewed, but for him to sign in October and it get renewed in January – where would it stop?

 

“Personally, I’m disappointed. He’s a lovely lad, and I really like him, but it was his decision, and you can’t change that.

 

“Was this about football? That’s what you have to ask. I don’t think it was.”

 

Liverpool moved for Carroll after Chelsea hardened their interest in Fernando Torres, who last night joined Chelsea in a British-record £48m deal.

 

Pardew went on: “We turned down a big offer, and they came back with a second big offer.

 

“We were having a discussion about what we were going to do with that offer when Andy requested to see me.

 

“I went to see Andy, and face to face we had a conversation about him wanting a new contract, even though he signed on in October, and (he said) if he didn’t get that contract, he wanted go.

 

“I asked him what he wanted, and I went to the board. We had a discussion about what the ramifications would be for the whole club.

 

“We took the view, with him signing a contract in October, that this would cause us all sorts of problems.

 

“We decided that we needed the conversation confirmed, and he put in a transfer request, which he did.

 

“He spoke to his agent, and between them they put the request in. We decided with the size of the offer, and what it meant to us, that we would accept.”

 

Pardew – who “guaranteed” Carroll wouldn’t be sold after succeeding Chris Hughton in December – was unable to bring in a replacement given the last-minute nature of the deal, which was confirmed less than an hour before transfer-window deadline.

 

With Wayne Routledge and Xisco having left on loan, and only Stephen Ireland having signed, Pardew’s squad is significantly weaker than it was a month ago.

 

However, Pardew has taken Ashley’s assurances that the fee will be spent on players in the summer, and beyond, at face value.

 

“We weren’t expecting him to go, so we weren’t in a position to replace him,” added Pardew.

 

“One thing I can guarantee, having spoke to Mike Ashley, is that every penny will go back into the club. Mike’s assured me he won’t take a penny out of the transfer.”

 

And asked about his repeated assurances that Carroll wouldn’t be sold, Pardew said: “We never put him up for sale – we fended off a bid from another Premiership club.

 

“But no club’s about one player. We’re absolutely gutted that he’s gone. It’s disappointing, but we’re not in a financial position like Liverpool.”

 

 

This is what i thought the whole time.

 

Carroll is basically stating that he was forced out as no footballer is going to turn down such a huge increase in wages. We made no attempt whatsoever to negotiate an increase in his, regardless of much he is now being valued & he asked to leave.

 

I still think we could have done better. We wanted the money.

 

You can have a go at Carroll, but i dont see a single footballer in his position turning down such a move. Nothing to do with loyalty, its a massive difference in how much you're valued by a club.

[Guest Shaun]

ALAN Pardew today hit back at Andy Carroll’s claim he was forced out of St James’s Park.

 

And Newcastle United’s manager also insisted he has been promised that Carroll’s £35m-plus fee will be reinvested in the team by owner Mike Ashley.

 

Carroll last night completed a transfer deadline day move to Liverpool after handing in a written transfer request.

 

But the striker told friends in a series of texts he didn’t want to leave Newcastle – and had been forced out because the United “wanted the money”.

 

However, Pardew says Carroll – who signed a new long-term contract in October – approached him about a new contract after training, and handed a transfer request in when the club baulked at renegotiating his deal so soon after it was signed.

 

Asked about Carroll’s texts, Pardew told the Gazette: “What can I say? We didn’t force anybody to leave.

 

“I disagree with that point. He had a contract here for five years, and at some point it would get renewed, but for him to sign in October and it get renewed in January – where would it stop?

 

“Personally, I’m disappointed. He’s a lovely lad, and I really like him, but it was his decision, and you can’t change that.

 

“Was this about football? That’s what you have to ask. I don’t think it was.”

 

Liverpool moved for Carroll after Chelsea hardened their interest in Fernando Torres, who last night joined Chelsea in a British-record £48m deal.

 

Pardew went on: “We turned down a big offer, and they came back with a second big offer.

 

“We were having a discussion about what we were going to do with that offer when Andy requested to see me.

 

“I went to see Andy, and face to face we had a conversation about him wanting a new contract, even though he signed on in October, and (he said) if he didn’t get that contract, he wanted go.

 

“I asked him what he wanted, and I went to the board. We had a discussion about what the ramifications would be for the whole club.

 

“We took the view, with him signing a contract in October, that this would cause us all sorts of problems.

 

“We decided that we needed the conversation confirmed, and he put in a transfer request, which he did.

 

“He spoke to his agent, and between them they put the request in. We decided with the size of the offer, and what it meant to us, that we would accept.”

 

Pardew – who “guaranteed” Carroll wouldn’t be sold after succeeding Chris Hughton in December – was unable to bring in a replacement given the last-minute nature of the deal, which was confirmed less than an hour before transfer-window deadline.

 

With Wayne Routledge and Xisco having left on loan, and only Stephen Ireland having signed, Pardew’s squad is significantly weaker than it was a month ago.

 

However, Pardew has taken Ashley’s assurances that the fee will be spent on players in the summer, and beyond, at face value.

 

“We weren’t expecting him to go, so we weren’t in a position to replace him,” added Pardew.

 

“One thing I can guarantee, having spoke to Mike Ashley, is that every penny will go back into the club. Mike’s assured me he won’t take a penny out of the transfer.”

 

And asked about his repeated assurances that Carroll wouldn’t be sold, Pardew said: “We never put him up for sale – we fended off a bid from another Premiership club.

 

“But no club’s about one player. We’re absolutely gutted that he’s gone. It’s disappointing, but we’re not in a financial position like Liverpool.”

 

Well, there we go. End of story. He's a money hungry bitch.

[Skirge]

IF it is true and he wanted more money to stay then.. A. he was aware of what Liverpool were willing to pay him(tapping up?)

B.. Club had no choice but to accept the offer, cannot let players do this.. he thinks he is fkn Rooney.