Guest guinness_fiend Posted February 2, 2011 Share Posted February 2, 2011 Still can't believe the lanky streak of piss that could barely control a football 2 years ago has gone for £35 million. Amazing really. The daft thing is, he struggles to control one now. If there's two things he needs to improve on in order to become a true world class player, it's his woeful dribbling ability and inability to carve chances out of nothing. An adequate replacement for Torres his certainly isn't (at the moment). It's a big gamble for Liverpool and, now that he has left, one that I hope backfires. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guinness_fiend Posted February 2, 2011 Share Posted February 2, 2011 The grass isn't always greener on the other side. With us, our whole game was played to his strenghts, he's a great player, but it's not the end of the world... Look what happend to Owen and Robbie Fowler after they left Liverpool! They would be living legends if they stuck with liverpool, but they sold out... Fowler is a legend amongst Liverpool fans. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wil Posted February 2, 2011 Share Posted February 2, 2011 For me, the bottom line is we didn't have to sell now, without a replacement, and jeapodize the whole season. Unlike Liverpool's more professional approach. We should have stood firm and transferred him in the summer, if indeed they felt giving him something in the region he was asking for would have destabilised the club. The fact that he took the money shows that Ashley was always a seller when the price was right, whatever the circumstances. To my mind everything else is just a smokescreen. I wouldn't be surprised if Ashley had a cigar on and just got off on screwing as much money out of the deal as possible, sending out a message to his opponents in the business world that he always drives a hard bargain. I can't see that the best interests of the club were ever at the heart of this. Note how Pardew announced he sought assurances about the use of the money, it was not as though he was offered it by a man who had decided this was the best way to take the club forward. Liverpool's more professional approach? They sold their best striker and gambled massive money on two players with only 6 months premiership experience between them. There's only one thing more risky than us selling Andy Carroll for £35m, and that's them buying him. Probably wrong choice of words on my part. Was just trying to emphasise that they put their club's best interest first by holding onto their striker until they had a replacement in. At least that's the way it looked on the day. Unlike us, scrabbling around at the last minute to get someone in which made our lot look like a bunch of amateurs. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest marky555 Posted February 2, 2011 Share Posted February 2, 2011 Still can't believe the lanky streak of piss that could barely control a football 2 years ago has gone for £35 million. Amazing really. The daft thing is, he struggles to control one now. If there's two things he needs to improve on in order to become a true world class player, it's his woeful dribbling ability and inability to carve chances out of nothing. An adequate replacement for Torres his certainly isn't (at the moment). It's a big gamble for Liverpool and, now that he has left, one that I hope backfires. You're both pathetic. Stop being so fucking bitter. His woeful dribbling ability isn't part of his game, are you going to start saying Torres really needs to improve on his heading ability (Carroll) and his brute strength (Carroll) to become world class as he doesn't possess these traits? He may not be the player Torres is and he may not have the ability to dribble and carve chances out of nothing but I guarantee you he'll replace Torres's goals, and that's why they've bought him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest toonlass Posted February 2, 2011 Share Posted February 2, 2011 The grass isn't always greener on the other side. With us, our whole game was played to his strenghts, he's a great player, but it's not the end of the world... Look what happend to Owen and Robbie Fowler after they left Liverpool! They would be living legends if they stuck with liverpool, but they sold out... Fowler is a legend amongst Liverpool fans. He's also a landlord to most of them, Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest BooBoo Posted February 2, 2011 Share Posted February 2, 2011 Still sore about this. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guinness_fiend Posted February 2, 2011 Share Posted February 2, 2011 Still can't believe the lanky streak of piss that could barely control a football 2 years ago has gone for £35 million. Amazing really. The daft thing is, he struggles to control one now. If there's two things he needs to improve on in order to become a true world class player, it's his woeful dribbling ability and inability to carve chances out of nothing. An adequate replacement for Torres his certainly isn't (at the moment). It's a big gamble for Liverpool and, now that he has left, one that I hope backfires. You're both pathetic. Stop being so f***ing bitter. His woeful dribbling ability isn't part of his game, are you going to start saying Torres really needs to improve on his heading ability (Carroll) and his brute strength (Carroll) to become world class as he doesn't possess these traits? He may not be the player Torres is and he may not have the ability to dribble and carve chances out of nothing but I guarantee you he'll replace Torres's goals, and that's why they've bought him. I suggest you re-read my comment. I'm not being bitter and mentioned that he struggles to control a ball prior to any mention of him leaving the club. As I state above, he has the potential to be a suitable replacement for Torres but he's far from the finished article. That's all. If he'd stayed in Newcastle, that wouldn't change my opinion. We're quick to build players up only to be surprised when they don't meet our expectations. I for one would not expect Carroll to become world class for a good while yet, for as far as I'm concerned, he's still learning his trade. This is why many of the world's top strikers don't hit their true peak until their mid-twenties (freaks of nature like Messi aside). Offering constructive criticism isn't being bitter. For instance, I think that Ranger has it in him to be a decent Premiership striker. He is exceptionally strong on the ball, quick off the mark and gets stuck in. However, he seems to be a confidence player and he needs to get over it quickly if he's going to start scoring goals on a regular basis (or at all ). And as for Carroll replacing Torres' goals, at the moment it's largely reliant on whether Liverpool are able to improve their distribution from the wings, which has been lacking of late and is one of the reasons (attitude aside) why Torres hasn't had the greatest of seasons. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guinness_fiend Posted February 2, 2011 Share Posted February 2, 2011 The grass isn't always greener on the other side. With us, our whole game was played to his strenghts, he's a great player, but it's not the end of the world... Look what happend to Owen and Robbie Fowler after they left Liverpool! They would be living legends if they stuck with liverpool, but they sold out... Fowler is a legend amongst Liverpool fans. He's also a landlord to most of them, Wahay! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Exiled in Texas Posted February 2, 2011 Share Posted February 2, 2011 For me, the bottom line is we didn't have to sell now, without a replacement, and jeapodize the whole season. Unlike Liverpool's more professional approach. We should have stood firm and transferred him in the summer, if indeed they felt giving him something in the region he was asking for would have destabilised the club.... Highly doubtful that anyone would value Carroll at 35M in the summer. So instead of selling him for £35M we sell him for £20-25 (or somesuch). Is that really good business sense to "loan" Carroll for 4 months for £10-15M? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest TrEe Posted February 2, 2011 Share Posted February 2, 2011 The grass isn't always greener on the other side. With us, our whole game was played to his strenghts, he's a great player, but it's not the end of the world... Look what happend to Owen and Robbie Fowler after they left Liverpool! They would be living legends if they stuck with liverpool, but they sold out... Fowler is a legend amongst Liverpool fans. yes he is, he did score 120 goals for them. but I think he would of been alot bigger if he stuck with them. look at his stats after he left pool? had a decent spell at leeds, but not half the player he was at liverpool. Any way there are alot of examples, some make it, some don't. My point is, he hasn't even had a season in the PL with a team that plays to his strenghts. we do hoof the ball aloooot when he's playing, and it's a tactic that works wonderful to his playing style. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oakie Doke Posted February 2, 2011 Share Posted February 2, 2011 Still sore about this. aye me too, a win tonight will ease the pain. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Heneage Posted February 2, 2011 Share Posted February 2, 2011 Still can't believe the lanky streak of piss that could barely control a football 2 years ago has gone for £35 million. Amazing really. I said in relegation season he'd probably end up in league 1. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guinness_fiend Posted February 2, 2011 Share Posted February 2, 2011 The grass isn't always greener on the other side. With us, our whole game was played to his strenghts, he's a great player, but it's not the end of the world... Look what happend to Owen and Robbie Fowler after they left Liverpool! They would be living legends if they stuck with liverpool, but they sold out... Fowler is a legend amongst Liverpool fans. yes he is, he did score 120 goals for them. but I think he would of been alot bigger if he stuck with them. look at his stats after he left pool? had a decent spell at leeds, but not half the player he was at liverpool. Any way there are alot of examples, some make it, some don't. My point is, he hasn't even had a season in the PL with a team that plays to his strenghts. we do hoof the ball aloooot when he's playing, and it's a tactic that works wonderful to his playing style. Sorry mate, I didn't mean to sound flippant. I just have a soft spot for the loveable rogue, tis all: http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/ffximage/2009/02/04/fowler2_wideweb__470x335,0.jpg Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guinness_fiend Posted February 2, 2011 Share Posted February 2, 2011 Still can't believe the lanky streak of piss that could barely control a football 2 years ago has gone for £35 million. Amazing really. I said in relegation season he'd probably end up in league 1. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdckelly Posted February 2, 2011 Share Posted February 2, 2011 Still can't believe the lanky streak of piss that could barely control a football 2 years ago has gone for £35 million. Amazing really. I said in relegation season he'd probably end up in league 1. still time and hopefully drag liverpool with him Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGuv Posted February 2, 2011 Share Posted February 2, 2011 I have news. The bloke i talk to works at the Academy and says he has been told everything. Basically Liverpool put in a bid at 9am ish for 27.5 million plus incentives reaching 30 million. PARDEW not Ashley rejected the offer. At around 2pm i think it was Liverpool put in a 32.5 million offer plus incentives reaching 35 million which we initially rejected. Pardew called Carroll to his office at SJP, and Nolan drove AC there. In the meeting Carroll said 'he loved the club and didn't want to go'. However that he wanted a new contract of 60K a week to stay. Pardew said we'll meet later after he'd spoke to Ashley. He told him the situation and Ashley said no, as it will send out wrong messages to the other players. Pardew was told that AC will be offered a new contract in the summer, and that he had to wait 5 moths to get his new deal. Ashley was prepared to break his wage structure for AC. The press conference was called off to allow the next meeting which was at 4pm. Pardew told Carroll this and Carroll asked for the 60k. Pardew said no wait til the summer. Carroll then said well i want the opportunity to talk to Liverpool and see what they'll offer. Pardew asked for this request in writing. Ashley gave AC his helicopter to have a medical etc and he signed the contract at 9pm. Make of that what you will. I have told this forum things before so believe it if you want. I know my mate wouldn't p*** me about he's been right before. He told me Barton's contract has been signed and it will be anounced this week or early next. We also have bought a player from Rennes and will be given the number 8 shirt. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest palnese Posted February 2, 2011 Share Posted February 2, 2011 "We also have bought a player from Rennes and will be given the number 8 shirt." Eh? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guinness_fiend Posted February 2, 2011 Share Posted February 2, 2011 I have news. The bloke i talk to works at the Academy and says he has been told everything. Basically Liverpool put in a bid at 9am ish for 27.5 million plus incentives reaching 30 million. PARDEW not Ashley rejected the offer. At around 2pm i think it was Liverpool put in a 32.5 million offer plus incentives reaching 35 million which we initially rejected. Pardew called Carroll to his office at SJP, and Nolan drove AC there. In the meeting Carroll said 'he loved the club and didn't want to go'. However that he wanted a new contract of 60K a week to stay. Pardew said we'll meet later after he'd spoke to Ashley. He told him the situation and Ashley said no, as it will send out wrong messages to the other players. Pardew was told that AC will be offered a new contract in the summer, and that he had to wait 5 moths to get his new deal. Ashley was prepared to break his wage structure for AC. The press conference was called off to allow the next meeting which was at 4pm. Pardew told Carroll this and Carroll asked for the 60k. Pardew said no wait til the summer. Carroll then said well i want the opportunity to talk to Liverpool and see what they'll offer. Pardew asked for this request in writing. Ashley gave AC his helicopter to have a medical etc and he signed the contract at 9pm. Make of that what you will. I have told this forum things before so believe it if you want. I know my mate wouldn't p*** me about he's been right before. He told me Barton's contract has been signed and it will be anounced this week or early next. We also have bought a player from Rennes and will be given the number 8 shirt. No offence, but I'll take it with a pinch of salt for the time being, but ta for the update. If the above turns out to be true, Ashely and Pardew have done nothing wrong. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdckelly Posted February 2, 2011 Share Posted February 2, 2011 I have news. The bloke i talk to works at the Academy and says he has been told everything. Basically Liverpool put in a bid at 9am ish for 27.5 million plus incentives reaching 30 million. PARDEW not Ashley rejected the offer. At around 2pm i think it was Liverpool put in a 32.5 million offer plus incentives reaching 35 million which we initially rejected. Pardew called Carroll to his office at SJP, and Nolan drove AC there. In the meeting Carroll said 'he loved the club and didn't want to go'. However that he wanted a new contract of 60K a week to stay. Pardew said we'll meet later after he'd spoke to Ashley. He told him the situation and Ashley said no, as it will send out wrong messages to the other players. Pardew was told that AC will be offered a new contract in the summer, and that he had to wait 5 moths to get his new deal. Ashley was prepared to break his wage structure for AC. The press conference was called off to allow the next meeting which was at 4pm. Pardew told Carroll this and Carroll asked for the 60k. Pardew said no wait til the summer. Carroll then said well i want the opportunity to talk to Liverpool and see what they'll offer. Pardew asked for this request in writing. Ashley gave AC his helicopter to have a medical etc and he signed the contract at 9pm. Make of that what you will. I have told this forum things before so believe it if you want. I know my mate wouldn't p*** me about he's been right before. He told me Barton's contract has been signed and it will be anounced this week or early next. We also have bought a player from Rennes and will be given the number 8 shirt. ta for the update Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted February 2, 2011 Share Posted February 2, 2011 'In the meeting Carroll said 'he loved the club and didn't want to go'. However that he wanted a new contract of 60K a week to stay.' Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cubaricho Posted February 2, 2011 Share Posted February 2, 2011 Pardew said we'll meet later after he'd spoke to Ashley. He told him the situation and Ashley said no, as it will send out wrong messages to the other players. If, and that's a big if, this actually happened, then it was the right thing to do. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdckelly Posted February 2, 2011 Share Posted February 2, 2011 'In the meeting Carroll said 'he loved the club and didn't want to go'. However that he wanted a new contract of 60K a week to stay.' so it was conditional love why not wait andy why not wait ................................................you scruffy long haired scouse loving tramp Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incognito Posted February 2, 2011 Share Posted February 2, 2011 We've signed some bird from the Wrens? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BottledDog Posted February 2, 2011 Share Posted February 2, 2011 We've signed some bird from the Wrens? My mum was in the Wrens, pretty damn sure it's not her mind. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vinny Green Balls Posted February 2, 2011 Share Posted February 2, 2011 If this is true, and I am still a bit skeptical, then that monstrously fat fuck will be absolved of blame on this one. Still think it was like the beginning of WWI where nobody had the desire nor the will to stop it from happening. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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