We're Sh*t And We're Sick Of It

[Guest aoliversaknob]

relagation is always a bad thing for any club who experiences it. The reduction of income alone puts severe pressure on any short medium or long term plans for that club and usuaally fascilatates a longer term downward spiral of depair.

 

On second thoughts NUFC would probably be okay if we go down due to the lack of any short medium or long term plans of the current management structure 

[gray]

If we were to go down, we'd become a leeds/southampton type of club, full of promising youngsters but will always get raped of them by the other clubs. This in turn would keep us from promotion and the cycle would continue.

 

Could an owner make more money this way than by staying up?

[womblemaster]

HAve to admit since KK left, i havent the heart to bother much anymore.

 

THe glory dayz of the 90s are like the fading hormones of youth!

[biggs]

HAve to admit since KK left, i havent the heart to bother much anymore.

 

THe glory dayz of the 90s are like the fading hormones of youth!

Try watching from 73 onwards pal and you will understand the heartache and despair i and many thousands of others feel.

[NG32]

Bad / non existent executive managment , selling your better players and replacing them with lesser ones , s**** football , tatically inept player management , no transfer policy , senior management and players not looking like they give a s*** , angry fans, distraught fans , fans being taken for absolute mugs , public statements to press by joke in here that show the absolute lack of any short medium or long term plans what so ever , piss boiling every time you turn on the internet or read an nufc related story , lack of full stops and sentence structure in N.O forum posts , losing goals to long punts from the opposition goal keeper  , nobody getting anywhere near the oppostion byline by feed our best stiker in the box , no power and / or creativity in central midfield , Denis f***ing Wise, I mean come on!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :angry:

 

Fans apathy and s**** football with no entertainment value kills football clubs and gets you relegated......but after this weekend I am struggling to see anything at all positive regarding NUFC.    and have truly become apethetic!

 

You have much fire in your belly young one.

 

 

[Guest aoliversaknob]

Gimp - I think at this present time  I would rather have the great Pat Butcher herself in charge of the club, with Riiicckkkkkyyy as DOF.

 

They would have a better chance of appearing to be like a professional football club than this present shower of shite ever will.

 

In reality, I have a lot of flustration to contend with and this can be "relieved" by shouting at the laptop at messers ashley, wise, kinnear, and that silent casino motherfucker, rather than other internet activities or by pat butcher  (ummmm)

[Disco]

I'll tell you what, only being born in 1985 I've had it good when it comes to this club. Especially compared with some older people on here than me, and as my dad keeps on telling me, we may have been absolutely garbage for long periods in the 1980's, however he said they were his favourite times following the club home and away. Keep the faith man.

 

Precisely the same boat as me. Even though i've pretty much lived away from the NE for the last 4yrs I've kept my ST, and goto about 60-70% of the home games despite 3yrs of living in Bournemouth for most of the year but despite this ive always looked forward to going to the match and have kept my ticket because if we get to a final i want to be able to say i was there to see it however now the only final we'll be lucky to get to is the playoff final next yr.

 

This coupled with the general lack of direction/care/management/passion at the club is turning me away from wanting to go and support the club i will love for life.

[Guest sittingontheball]

I think its a quote from the Civil Rights movement, but I'm sick and tired of being sick and tired.

 

[STM]

As far as i'm concerned supporting the toon isn't a choice. I hate alot of the things that are going on with the club but regardless of whether we go down or not i will always go to the matches.

 

[Guest aoliversaknob]

I hear what you are saying STG,    and that view is and always will be  commendable

 

However when I was a young boy and lived back in Cumbria 20 years ago, I had my pants taken down and was well and truly shafted by a certain Mr Micheal Knighton at Carlisle Utd for having the same attitude you have now.

 

Wake up and smell the roses mate, we are being shafted for every penny we put into NUFC at present and the only thing these alledged business types who come into football really understand or care about is the bottom line. Hence fans protests, public opinions, media bashings, being hated, means nothing to them. They only remove their claws from the beast that is slowly bleeding to death once they have extracted every last penny of valuable asset and / or profit from the club and then they sell up.

 

Only problem is with Ashley he has no understanding of football and or of toon fans and kevin keagan. He though Keagan would be a patsy to his assett strip and why do you think he has offered JK a long term contract?

 

Its a well trodden path in the lower leagues, its just because NUFC is such a  big club some take longer to realise its happening!

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Syrette]

Michael Martin called into Steve Claridge's phone-in thing on Setanta Sports News last night too, had a good old rant against Kinnear in particular and put old Steve in his place once or twice.

[dustynrg]

If we were to go down, we'd become a leeds/southampton type of club, full of promising youngsters but will always get raped of them by the other clubs. This in turn would keep us from promotion and the cycle would continue.

 

Could an owner make more money this way than by staying up?

 

No really, surely the running costs of the stadium and facilities would eat up any money if we were in the first division.

[LoveItIfWeBeatU]

http://www.nufc.com/

 

Comment:

The blame game

 

 

Turmoil in Toon once again then, and the only club employee who says anything in public is at pains to

point out that none of this is his fault.

 

There again, given the amount of blarney & b*ll*cks

JFK has spoken since arriving here, taking his stream

of consciousness outbursts at face value is about as useful as sponsoring Viduka in the Great North Run...

 

Rather than blaming Keegan and Allardyce for the team selection problems he faces though, Joe should consider exactly why those two managers exited from SJP.

 

Kinnear is missing the point by pointing the finger at the current crop of injuries. Although the club has failed to help itself by signing physically and emotionally suspect players in recent years, the flaws are more long-term.   

 

God knows what he was doing before he popped up here, but those of us who suffer this crud first-hand are only too aware of our repeated inability to either develop

or sign players in crucial positions.

 

Let's go back to August 2006, when we were moved to wonder just what the hell the club were playing at, as Glenn Roeder made a public trip to Rotterdam to watch Dirk Kuyt - although he'd already pledged to join Liverpool.

 

Our squad shortcomings were all-too evident at that point, with frantic late transfer activity seeing the arrival of messrs Sibierski, Rossi and Bernard - one trier who was a worthwhile addition, one loanee who was rarely played and one complete waste of time who never appeared.

 

Successive transfer windows saw Roeder's successors try and fail to make suitable signings. That culminated in the events of August 2008 that saw Milner depart, closely followed by Keegan, but still no signings in the areas we were patently lacking in then  - and remain so now.

 

Joe may also reflect on the fact that regardless of who is to blame for our demise, the fact he's within a country mile of a top-flight football club is purely because any credible candidate could see us for what we are - left

high and dry, failing to back up words with deeds.

 

Those responsible for the financing and recruitment of the squad should be. Some blame should be apportioned to Freddy Shepherd, but the fingers should be pointing fairly and squarely in the direction of Ashley and Wise.

 

The most depressing news about this club in 2009 isn't

the on-field strife - it's the fact that Kinnear has been offered a long-term contract. Allegedly.

 

Previous to that, we believed that fans and players

would tough things out until the end of this season, hoping that we'd retain our top-flight status, jettison

Joe and try to reinvent ourselves yet again.

 

Now that no longer looks to be the case - which may well have drastic ramifications in both the stands and the dressing room, as people on both sides simply throw in

the towel, abandoning their seats/squad numbers.

 

In a way though Joe's permanent appointment would complete the circle: meaning that the club was being owned, run and overseen at all levels by people with no credible track record in the game - and who can't even play the Geordie patriotism card like the previous mob.

 

And even if three teams can conspire to finish below us in the final league table, we're struggling to see any grounds for optimism when considering next season.

 

The thought of watching Shola Ameobi lead United out to a half-empty stadium hardly gets our pulses racing - with a catastrophic drop in season ticket and corporate sales.

 

So what's the answer?

 

Splashing the cash is only part of the answer, given our unsurpassed track record of lavish and useless purchases.

 

If the current administration are unable or unwilling to sell up and ship out, then they have to try and reverse the feeling that the whole club is going to rack and ruin and being run into the ground - it's 1991 all over again.   

 

On current evidence they haven't got the first idea of how to do that - and have already passed up their best opportunity to salvage any credibility, given the amateurish performance so far in this transfer window.

 

In fairness though, you would question the motives - or sanity - of anyone who wanted to join Newcastle in their current state. One phone call from Stephane Mbia to his Cameroonian compatriot Geremi would surely be enough

to blow that transfer out of the water at any price... 

 

There's a danger that those "upstairs" confuse the current lack of public agitation from fans with their acceptance of the situation - that will be shown up as folly come May.

 

Empty seats don't make any noise, or bring in any cash.

[Dave]

 

Spot on, as the TF article.

[Guest aoliversaknob]

Absolutely spot on

[Dokko]

There really is no hope is there? (both now or the future)

[Dave]

There really is no hope is there? (both now or the future)

 

There's always hope, man.

[Dokko]

There really is no hope is there? (both now or the future)

 

There's always hope, man.

 

I can't see any, at all. I'm playing the waiting game, wait to see us relegated and become another Leicester City.

 

 

[Willow]

http://www.nufc.com/

 

Comment:

The blame game

 

 

Turmoil in Toon once again then, and the only club employee who says anything in public is at pains to

point out that none of this is his fault.

 

There again, given the amount of blarney & b*ll*cks

JFK has spoken since arriving here, taking his stream

of consciousness outbursts at face value is about as useful as sponsoring Viduka in the Great North Run...

 

Rather than blaming Keegan and Allardyce for the team selection problems he faces though, Joe should consider exactly why those two managers exited from SJP.

 

Kinnear is missing the point by pointing the finger at the current crop of injuries. Although the club has failed to help itself by signing physically and emotionally suspect players in recent years, the flaws are more long-term.   

 

God knows what he was doing before he popped up here, but those of us who suffer this crud first-hand are only too aware of our repeated inability to either develop

or sign players in crucial positions.

 

Let's go back to August 2006, when we were moved to wonder just what the hell the club were playing at, as Glenn Roeder made a public trip to Rotterdam to watch Dirk Kuyt - although he'd already pledged to join Liverpool.

 

Our squad shortcomings were all-too evident at that point, with frantic late transfer activity seeing the arrival of messrs Sibierski, Rossi and Bernard - one trier who was a worthwhile addition, one loanee who was rarely played and one complete waste of time who never appeared.

 

Successive transfer windows saw Roeder's successors try and fail to make suitable signings. That culminated in the events of August 2008 that saw Milner depart, closely followed by Keegan, but still no signings in the areas we were patently lacking in then  - and remain so now.

 

Joe may also reflect on the fact that regardless of who is to blame for our demise, the fact he's within a country mile of a top-flight football club is purely because any credible candidate could see us for what we are - left

high and dry, failing to back up words with deeds.

 

Those responsible for the financing and recruitment of the squad should be. Some blame should be apportioned to Freddy Shepherd, but the fingers should be pointing fairly and squarely in the direction of Ashley and Wise.

 

The most depressing news about this club in 2009 isn't

the on-field strife - it's the fact that Kinnear has been offered a long-term contract. Allegedly.

 

Previous to that, we believed that fans and players

would tough things out until the end of this season, hoping that we'd retain our top-flight status, jettison

Joe and try to reinvent ourselves yet again.

 

Now that no longer looks to be the case - which may well have drastic ramifications in both the stands and the dressing room, as people on both sides simply throw in

the towel, abandoning their seats/squad numbers.

 

In a way though Joe's permanent appointment would complete the circle: meaning that the club was being owned, run and overseen at all levels by people with no credible track record in the game - and who can't even play the Geordie patriotism card like the previous mob.

 

And even if three teams can conspire to finish below us in the final league table, we're struggling to see any grounds for optimism when considering next season.

 

The thought of watching Shola Ameobi lead United out to a half-empty stadium hardly gets our pulses racing - with a catastrophic drop in season ticket and corporate sales.

 

So what's the answer?

 

Splashing the cash is only part of the answer, given our unsurpassed track record of lavish and useless purchases.

 

If the current administration are unable or unwilling to sell up and ship out, then they have to try and reverse the feeling that the whole club is going to rack and ruin and being run into the ground - it's 1991 all over again.   

 

On current evidence they haven't got the first idea of how to do that - and have already passed up their best opportunity to salvage any credibility, given the amateurish performance so far in this transfer window.

 

In fairness though, you would question the motives - or sanity - of anyone who wanted to join Newcastle in their current state. One phone call from Stephane Mbia to his Cameroonian compatriot Geremi would surely be enough

to blow that transfer out of the water at any price... 

 

There's a danger that those "upstairs" confuse the current lack of public agitation from fans with their acceptance of the situation - that will be shown up as folly come May.

 

Empty seats don't make any noise, or bring in any cash.

 

Yep, nail on the head.

[biggs]

Great article

[Heron]

Relegation always has been the worst possible scenario for the last decade or so. We've never been in this much bother at this stage in the season either.

 

That said, it's one of those league's where just 2 or 3 wins lifts you 6 places up. The bottom 3 is like musical chairs and we've got to make sure we're not down there when the music stops in May. Personally I think we'll survive but it's going to be closer than quite a few think it's going to be. I also don't subscribe to the view that 'it's done and dusted and we're definitely going down so why bother' mentality. It's clearly not cut and dried. It's no co-incidence that our recent s*** performances have come at a time when we've had loads of injuries too. We'll get the players back and we'll pick up the points we need to stay up. I've got to believe that.

 

If people don't agree then fair enough. Why not just forfeit our games and give up right now? We're doomed, why bother any more?

 

f*** that, I'll keep fighting thank you very much.

 

This is exactly what I wanted to read, and I want to hear a lot more who share this opinion.

 

[LooneyToonArmy]

Comment: Gibbo on Newcastle United crisis

 

Jan 20 2009 by John Gibson, Evening Chronicle

 

THERE are none as blind as those who refuse to see. Even from the deep south there should be no need for binoculars.

 

The spiral of smoke as Geordie dreams and pride burn away to ashes can be witnessed from any vantage point across our land.

 

Yet Mike Ashley remains mute. His lieutenant at headquarters Derek Llambias is likewise silent. And all the time the fire rages on Tyneside.

 

A proud people are hurt. Humiliated. Stripped of hope and dignity.

 

However, let Mr Ashley know this: to count on our stupidity through defeat upon defeat is very dangerous indeed because anger will turn to apathy, and when that happens, attendances at St James’s Park will plummet.

 

Let this total disregard for customers continue, and when Newcastle are relegated as they surely will be, season ticket sales will hit rock bottom.

 

It has happened before and will happen again.

 

The club is a mess. The team is a mess. Discipline is non- existent with the manager on three FA charges, players sent off, and others openly slagging one another on the field of play.

 

The top performers want to leave and recruitment remains a lucky dip at best. Only the support holds up.

 

Ashley was given a warm welcome when he first arrived and sat amongst the fans in his black-and-white striped shirt _ the same fans he is now ignoring.

 

However, in his wisdom he decided to be an absent landlord and to surround himself with cronies like Tony Jimenenz and Dennis Wise at the helm while all three of them remained living in London.

 

At least Chris Mort was initially dispatched to the outpost of Ashley’s empire and he manfully did his very best to fly the flag locally and speak to the natives. Unfortunately, he went instead of the others, and Llambias was sent to the frozen north to become a replica of his master.

 

Ashley ran away when unrest inevitably spilled over and told us through a rare released statement on the club website that he was to sell United.

 

Off he went to the Middle East with Jimenez and Wise in tow to do just that, but he failed to find a buyer.

 

And in the end, as the economy hit meltdown, Ashley came forth again through intermediaries to say he was taking the club off the market.

 

In that statement Newcastle’s owner promised to be more hands on and more communicative.

 

He has been neither. Amid all the silence emanating from St James’s Park can be heard the anguished cry of Geordies as their club becomes a joke in the eyes of the rest of the country.

 

In the calendar year of 2008 Newcastle United ran up the worst record of any club in the Premier League. How degrading is that!

 

Kevin Keegan took to his toes citing interference, and many of those who served with him, like Shay Given, Michael Owen and Charles N’Zogbia, would love to follow and probably will.

 

Does Ashley wonder why, if he is running his business so well?

 

Does he look at the league table and blame a succession of managers, not the man at the very top?

 

Does he know the Magpies haven’t won once in their last six matches and have only four victories from the 18 games played since he unearthed Kinnear and sent him from the capital to the Tyne as a firefighter?

 

We don’t know, of course, because Geordies are told nothing but still expected to turn up in their thousands.

 

Well, maybe home attendances remain good, but that is because so many bought season tickets.

 

Their precious money has already been spent, so why should they stay away. But let us see what happens in the summer!

 

Fans are left to presume so much and now they are presuming the worst.

 

Whether supporters like it or not, Kinnear is currently the manager of their club, but he should not be the lone voice heard crying in the wilderness.

 

He is merely in charge of the team, not the club. His strings get pulled from above and Geordies want to hear from the organ grinder.

 

Is Ashley going to build Newcastle to be a force once again or merely run it into the ground? Did he buy the club only in the hope of making a quick buck? How much money can be spent on new signings?

 

Has the manager been offered “a very lucrative long term contact?”

 

Is the position of chairman, left vacant since Mort departed, ever to be filled again?

 

Will he appoint someone of stature, a former player perhaps who lives amongst we Geordies and is a man we can trust, to be his official voice from within the boardroom? That would rid the world of so much suspicion.

 

United must learn the art of communication before it is too late and no-one is around to listen. Kinnear and the PR department cannot carry the load on behalf of Ashley because they are not the decision-makers. Like King Canute, they cannot turn the tide of growing anger at supporters being kept in the dark. How unlucky have the Magpies been? Aston Villa were a club in exactly the same cul de sac as United with a huge fan base and little success, but they got Randy Lerner as owner and Martin O’Neill as manager and, with astute leadership, have become a force in the land.

 

Meanwhile, Newcastle stagger on like a drunk lurching down the Bigg Market on a Saturday night.

 

It is all too much. Let there be an end to it.

[Guest toonlass]

Excellent article that.

[Guest Phil K]

He said it hit the nail on the head, and you have to say, it did just that.

Dave saying earlier "Theres always hope, man" is true, but the hope is going through our fingers like water.

[Shearergol]

It's getting quite easy to write articles about how bad things are at this club. Is there actually a realistic solution?