Guest sicko2ndbest Posted January 18, 2009 Share Posted January 18, 2009 Its a little stereotypical, i know, but most black footballers have 2 things in their armoury, strength and pace. I am not trying to pigeonhole them as i know different 'black' players have a number of other qualities from Rio Ferdinands fantastic reading of a game to Ashley Youngs fantastic trickery and delivery. I look at some of the other premier league sides and they seem to have a more ethnically diverse squad. A few examples of influential black players within their squad Everton: Yobo, Lescott, Yakubu Arsenal: Gallas, Adebayour, Toure, Clichy Chelsea: Drogba, Anelka Stoke: Fuller, Faye, Cort Portsmouth: Distin, Johnson, PBD Villa: Young, Gabby, Davies I know there are other good examples, and also other contradictory examples like Man Utd who have a 'white dominated' squad take out Rio and Evra, but they do have the advantage of spending big. Stoke have filled their side with power and that is their one chance of survival. Hull have Boateng in the middle and have just loaned Manucho, Bolton have Muamba in the middle and have just signed Makkuluka? We currently have Beye, Geremi, Martins, Bass, Ameobi and Zog. Geremi lacks both power and pace, Ameobi lacks pace, Zog lacks power. Only Bassong, Martins and Beye are influential on the first team, and that is because they have these attributes in abundance, as well as the obvious others. Beye and Martins are so influential, as the past month has highlighted. I know theres no point in looking back but losing Faye in the summer has been a massive loss. I think he would have replaced Butt and added some much needed power to the middle of the park. I think MBia if we do get him, will make a big difference. It will make even more difference when we are not playing well. Power and pace are things you have regardless of whether you are having a good game or not, and in a lot of cases gets you out of trouble. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldtype Posted January 18, 2009 Share Posted January 18, 2009 I get your point, but... Dear God, there has got to be a better way to phrase this than that Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pedro111 Posted January 18, 2009 Share Posted January 18, 2009 Lol. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChrisJbarnes Posted January 18, 2009 Share Posted January 18, 2009 let me be the first to say.. RACIST!! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Prophet Posted January 18, 2009 Share Posted January 18, 2009 The PC brigade will be all over this one. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robster Posted January 18, 2009 Share Posted January 18, 2009 This discussion has taken place before (or similar). Shak will remember Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest sicko2ndbest Posted January 18, 2009 Share Posted January 18, 2009 let me be the first to say.. RACIST!! ? I get your point, but... Dear God, there has got to be a better way to phrase this than that Dont think there is? If the mods think its racist i apologise, but hopefully they will see my point Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldtype Posted January 18, 2009 Share Posted January 18, 2009 A simple "we lack physicality" would have sufficed? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest sicko2ndbest Posted January 18, 2009 Share Posted January 18, 2009 A simple "we lack physicality" would have sufficed? Not really, because i wanted to point out how influential black players can be Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lovejoy Posted January 18, 2009 Share Posted January 18, 2009 racist. ban please. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Posted January 18, 2009 Share Posted January 18, 2009 We lack players who give a fuck. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fatwax Posted January 18, 2009 Share Posted January 18, 2009 What a stupid point, just because athleticism is associated more with black people doesn't mean it's exclusive to them. Black power.. idiot. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest NorwegianMag Posted January 18, 2009 Share Posted January 18, 2009 Give him a break. He has some valid points. I'm gutted with the decision to sell Ab Faye. Certainly need a player back there with that kind of strenght and pace. Especially when we meet teams with strong strikers. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldtype Posted January 18, 2009 Share Posted January 18, 2009 A simple "we lack physicality" would have sufficed? Not really, because i wanted to point out how influential black players can be Surely they're influential because they're physical and not because they're black Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
captainhaircut Posted January 18, 2009 Share Posted January 18, 2009 I was thinking that we have an ideal oppurtunity to go big on power and pace this window. If Shay, Smith and Geremi left, you could go big for Mbia, Gomis, Ebondo and a left back of similar ilk. That would leave you with Jonas, Zog, Barton and Mbia in the middle with Gomis and Oba up top. Two quick, powerful full backs would make us a very tough side to play. Pompey did it last year and were very successful. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest sicko2ndbest Posted January 18, 2009 Share Posted January 18, 2009 What a stupid point, just because athleticism is associated more with black people doesn't mean it's exclusive to them. Black power.. idiot. This is a valid point and one i take on board, however, my point is also to highlight how influential Beye and Martins are on our first team. Oh and well done on the insult! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnnypd Posted January 18, 2009 Share Posted January 18, 2009 aye Geremi is dead fast and powerful isnt he. and cacapa must be the softest, slowest bloke in the top division. personally i'd settle for Mascherano and Fellaini but maybe they'd suffer from not being black enough. as oldtype said, we need physicality and the midfielders we have must be the least imposing, slowest, softest lot in the league, race doesnt come into it Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhatTheFunk Posted January 18, 2009 Share Posted January 18, 2009 I get your point, but... Dear God, there has got to be a better way to phrase this than that Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnnypd Posted January 18, 2009 Share Posted January 18, 2009 What a stupid point, just because athleticism is associated more with black people doesn't mean it's exclusive to them. Black power.. idiot. This is a valid point and one i take on board, however, my point is also to highlight how influential Beye and Martins are on our first team. bit like Bellamy and Robert transforming us into a champion's league side and arguably the best counter attacking team in the league. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest sicko2ndbest Posted January 18, 2009 Share Posted January 18, 2009 aye Geremi is dead fast and powerful isnt he. personally i'd settle for Mascherano and Fellaini but maybe they'd suffer from not being black enough. as oldtype said, we need physicality and the midfielders we have must be the least imposing, slowest, softest lot in the league, race doesnt come into it Read the OP properly! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Prophet Posted January 18, 2009 Share Posted January 18, 2009 We need some talkers on the pitch, should get some of the birds that live next door on the pitch they never shut the fuck up. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fatwax Posted January 18, 2009 Share Posted January 18, 2009 What a stupid point, just because athleticism is associated more with black people doesn't mean it's exclusive to them. Black power.. idiot. This is a valid point and one i take on board, however, my point is also to highlight how influential Beye and Martins are on our first team. But Rooney and Zambrotta would be influential to our team. The nationality or race of a player shouldn't come into their physical attributes. It's like saying only Brazilians play with flair, so lets get a few of them in. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oakie Doke Posted January 18, 2009 Share Posted January 18, 2009 Nile Ranger's black. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
S.S.R. Posted January 18, 2009 Share Posted January 18, 2009 Mike won't pay for any of these black players as he is too niggardly. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest sicko2ndbest Posted January 18, 2009 Share Posted January 18, 2009 What a stupid point, just because athleticism is associated more with black people doesn't mean it's exclusive to them. Black power.. idiot. This is a valid point and one i take on board, however, my point is also to highlight how influential Beye and Martins are on our first team. bit like Bellamy and Robert transforming us into a champion's league side and arguably the best counter attacking team in the league. Look at Pompey last season James Johnson Distin Campbell PBD Diarra Muntari Benjani They were the best counter attaking team in the league, because they were defensively sound and offensively powerful and rapid. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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