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TRon

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I went to a few of the open training sessions and KK oversaw quite a fair bit of the coaching, although not so much with the defensive side. Remember coaching also encompasses many things from the setting up of sessions to analysing what go's on during them. KK was very much a coach in that respect and a damn good one as a whole host of players who have worked for him have testified to over the years, quite a few of them foreign players.

 

When we reappointed him SSN asked a host of those such players what their thoughts were and not one of them had anything bad to say about him or his methods and I particularly remember Anelka praising him highly.

 

Regarding coaching itself, you will find Fergie, Wenger and O'Niell among others don't get too involved in the coaching side of things and most managers don't really, that's why they have assistants.

 

As for the general theme of some of the comments in here regarding KK's apparent selfishness... the irony. OMG KK is taking money out of OUR club, the selfish bastard, how dare he. Yet you want him to give up a few quid all because you don't want any money leaving your club? Selfish or what?!

 

Get real people FFS. KK has every right to go for any money that could be owed to him in the same way Mike Ashley has every right to ask for whatever he feels he can get for the club.

 

This is why we are fans and they are managers or owners or even players. We can never ever detach ourselves from what's in our blood (the club), whereas they can and guess what, no matter their connection, affinity or whatever, when reality calls, these people will. From Shay Given to Kevin Keegan all the way to Alan Shearer.

 

We would do the very same.... if we lived in reality. We don't though (or can never), otherwise we'd have given up on NUFC and football a long time ago because their is fuck all rational or normal about being a supporter, fuck all, we're fucking mental the lot of us.

 

But hey, when your team wins 4-0 away from home to go top of the table, its all worth it.

 

Back to KK, he has since been proved right to have left the complete and utter shambles that is the people who own and run our club. KK opened fans' eyes to the reality of life under Ashley and co, its about time a lot of people in here faced up to the realm of reality now, which is KK has every right to go for whatever he feels he is entitled to. We need to stop being so fucking precious about everything.

 

Well, you have justified Ashley's right as an owner to get what he can, you have also justifed Keegan's right to get his slice of the pie...so why do you have a problem about someone like me who hopes Keegan loses this case so that my local club will have more money available to invest in a better future?

 

 

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madras

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1) As long as Ashley is in charge, no money will be invested.

2) If the club owes Keegan money, it should cost less.

 

Thus, if the club is sold and Ashley gets fleeced, everybody should be happy.

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if the club owes keegan money ashley will want that back aswell.

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JH

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1) As long as Ashley is in charge, no money will be invested.

2) If the club owes Keegan money, it should cost less.

 

Thus, if the club is sold and Ashley gets fleeced, everybody should be happy.

 

Ashley won't ge fleeced. The case is against the club, so we lose out if Keegan wins. Yet more money Ashley wants back.

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Geordie Ahmed

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However, what people have to ask themselves is that if they are willing to be so blunt and open about how they hate Mike Ashley (who has done f*** all to them personally but had a massive effect on the club) they at least have to consider how Keegan could effect the club, and have to have some sort of discontent about his apparent decision to go through with this case.

 

It would be double-standards to hate one with a passion and to not even temporarily dislike the other.

 

Obviously Keegan has done so much more for us as a club in the past, which I'm sure we can all be grateful for, but this certaintly doesn't mean he can get out of a scenario like this clean of criticism.

 

What has Keegan done wrong though?

 

He walked out of the job after being undermined and lied to. What happened afterwards was all down to the board being incompetent. Him wanting compensation is what every manager does, and even if its excessive I don't blame him after the attempted smear campaign in the press by those running the club - people with no business being in football.

 

Keegan is supposed to love the club, and by loving the club and area I would at least expect them not to f*** both up for the sake of a few bob. I'm sure King Kev and his family are f***ing loaded and don't particularly need all this cash...

 

If he weren't to f*** the fans over by basically helping us go into administration, then he would become far more popular again...and maybe his intentions as our manager the second time round would become slightly more believable...

 

Like previously mentioned - he cannot be totally innocent in it all...surely.

 

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bovineblue

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So if Ashley is found to be in the wrong and Keegan wins, it's not actually Ashley's fault that the club will lose that money, it's Keegan's fault for persuing his legal entitlements?

 

What difference does it make who's fault it is? What are the repercussions for the club is what bothers me.

 

Indeed.  Who gives a crap who is right is some legal pissing contest between Ashley and Keegan (or more factually Keegan vs NUFC).  What I care about is the 10million and where that comes from.  We are in being run against what looks like a very tight budget (missing out on loan signings etc).  If we're lose ten million quid due to this we could be f***ed in terms of betting promoted.

 

And again despite who is right or wrong in the argument.  Keegan has chosen to sue the club.  We were relegated and obviously financially stuffed and Keegan still continued with his legal case.  Keegan was offered 4 million (allegedly) and he still carries on with his legal case to make an extra couple million.  All for personal gain.  IMO this makes Keegan a c*** on equal footing with Ashely if not worse.

 

 

So the players must be c***s for picking up their wages each week.  In fact any member of staff picking up their legal entitlements from the club is a bigger c*** than Ashley according to this logic.  I mean, nobody should be taking money from the club under the current circumstances.  Even if they are legally entitled to it.

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Tooj

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i went to a few coaching sessions in keegans first stint here and he was involved in almost every aspect. particularly focusing on the basics,technique,pass and move.

 

tactics being massivly over rated. the best managers (ie ferguson,wenger etc) have all been know to f*** things up when trying to be too clever and tactical and moving away from stopping their teams just going out and doing what they do best. no better example than ferguson in last seasons champs league final.

 

Get your facts right though madras.  :sadnod:

what facts did i get wrong. ?. (typing thtough a massivly induced red wine haze here mind)

 

I was referring to what macca's patronising above when I said exactly the same thing as you have just done.

 

http://www.newcastle-online.org/nufcforum/index.php/topic,59518.msg2000340.html#msg2000340

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So if Ashley is found to be in the wrong and Keegan wins, it's not actually Ashley's fault that the club will lose that money, it's Keegan's fault for persuing his legal entitlements?

 

What difference does it make who's fault it is? What are the repercussions for the club is what bothers me.

 

Indeed.  Who gives a crap who is right is some legal pissing contest between Ashley and Keegan (or more factually Keegan vs NUFC).  What I care about is the 10million and where that comes from.  We are in being run against what looks like a very tight budget (missing out on loan signings etc).  If we're lose ten million quid due to this we could be f***ed in terms of betting promoted.

 

And again despite who is right or wrong in the argument.  Keegan has chosen to sue the club.  We were relegated and obviously financially stuffed and Keegan still continued with his legal case.  Keegan was offered 4 million (allegedly) and he still carries on with his legal case to make an extra couple million.  All for personal gain.  IMO this makes Keegan a c*** on equal footing with Ashely if not worse.

 

 

 

 

Really,  '"Keegan a c*** on an equal footing with Ashley if not worse". Tell me are you ignorant, too young to remember or are you a Sunderland fan?   

 

Serious question

 

It seems to be typical of a significant percentage of posts on here. Thankfully I think you represent only a tiny proportion of Newcastle fans.

 

In my experience of talking to Newcastle fans at games, particularly the travelling supporters, your views and other views similar to yours have no credibility whatsoever, in fact they are quite offensive   

 

You have not responded to any thing I had to say just insulted me as my opinion is different to yours.... and yet you imply I am a child. 

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So if Ashley is found to be in the wrong and Keegan wins, it's not actually Ashley's fault that the club will lose that money, it's Keegan's fault for persuing his legal entitlements?

 

What difference does it make who's fault it is? What are the repercussions for the club is what bothers me.

 

Indeed.  Who gives a crap who is right is some legal pissing contest between Ashley and Keegan (or more factually Keegan vs NUFC).  What I care about is the 10million and where that comes from.  We are in being run against what looks like a very tight budget (missing out on loan signings etc).  If we're lose ten million quid due to this we could be f***ed in terms of betting promoted.

 

And again despite who is right or wrong in the argument.  Keegan has chosen to sue the club.  We were relegated and obviously financially stuffed and Keegan still continued with his legal case.  Keegan was offered 4 million (allegedly) and he still carries on with his legal case to make an extra couple million.  All for personal gain.  IMO this makes Keegan a c*** on equal footing with Ashely if not worse.

 

 

So the players must be c***s for picking up their wages each week.  In fact any member of staff picking up their legal entitlements from the club is a bigger c*** than Ashley according to this logic.  I mean, nobody should be taking money from the club under the current circumstances.  Even if they are legally entitled to it.

 

That's a completely false analogy. Keegan isn't claiming for work that he's done for the club. He's claiming that he should be paid up for the rest of his contract, despite the fact that he left the job early. There's also a suggestion that he's claiming for loss of supposed future earnings at other clubs. All of which would have to come out of the club.

 

In order to support Keegan you have to believe a) that his job had become impossible and  b) that it is fair that he gets paid compensation in quite large quantities (note - this is compensation, not earned wages). I find both difficult to accept.

 

There are also posters on here who actually believe that a) and b) are compatible with him 'loving' the club. None of us are on our best behaviour when there's large amounts of money at stake, and we shouldn't get too much on our high horse when someone tries to use grey areas of the law to make money. But we shouldn't look at it in any other way than as blatant self-seeking.

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TooonDoom

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So if Ashley is found to be in the wrong and Keegan wins, it's not actually Ashley's fault that the club will lose that money, it's Keegan's fault for persuing his legal entitlements?

 

What difference does it make who's fault it is? What are the repercussions for the club is what bothers me.

 

Indeed.  Who gives a crap who is right is some legal pissing contest between Ashley and Keegan (or more factually Keegan vs NUFC).  What I care about is the 10million and where that comes from.  We are in being run against what looks like a very tight budget (missing out on loan signings etc).  If we're lose ten million quid due to this we could be f***ed in terms of betting promoted.

 

And again despite who is right or wrong in the argument.  Keegan has chosen to sue the club.  We were relegated and obviously financially stuffed and Keegan still continued with his legal case.  Keegan was offered 4 million (allegedly) and he still carries on with his legal case to make an extra couple million.  All for personal gain.  IMO this makes Keegan a c*** on equal footing with Ashely if not worse.

 

 

So the players must be c***s for picking up their wages each week.  In fact any member of staff picking up their legal entitlements from the club is a bigger c*** than Ashley according to this logic.  I mean, nobody should be taking money from the club under the current circumstances.  Even if they are legally entitled to it.

 

No I don't.  I think the players who came to the club and just claimed their wages without doing what they could have done are cunts.  I think the players who could have left in the summer but chose to stay at the club to play for the reserves and keep their big wages are cunts.

 

The reason I put Keegan and Ashley in the same sentence is intent.  Don't get me wrong I want the fat cockney wanker out of our club.  But more due to him being a fucking idiot than anything else.  He has consistently made stupid decisions, backed the wrong people, hired the wrong people and just about fucked up everything he has touched.  Given all that I am not willing to believe that any of the decisions he made were made deliberately to hurt the club.  As I said above:

 

Keegan has chosen to sue the club.  We were relegated and obviously financially stuffed and Keegan still continued with his legal case.  Keegan was offered 4 million (allegedly) and he still carries on with his legal case to make an extra couple million.  All for personal gain.
 

 

These are all decisions that will hurt the club.  All for personal gain. What is our biggest threat to getting promoted this year?  Keegan.

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dustynrg

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Christ lads, just ignore toondoom, he's so obviously a Casino Manager secret  agent.

 

By the way where IS the Casino Manager?  ???

 

Have you checked his twitter?

 

Aye just now he said

 

"Trying to wind those idiot Newcastle fans up on one of their ridiculous forums. Do they not have lives? Meanwhile  I need to get in touch with all those journos again and spread more nasty rumours about their Messiah."

 

Too many characters tbh.

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So if Ashley is found to be in the wrong and Keegan wins, it's not actually Ashley's fault that the club will lose that money, it's Keegan's fault for persuing his legal entitlements?

 

What difference does it make who's fault it is? What are the repercussions for the club is what bothers me.

 

Indeed.  Who gives a crap who is right is some legal pissing contest between Ashley and Keegan (or more factually Keegan vs NUFC).  What I care about is the 10million and where that comes from.  We are in being run against what looks like a very tight budget (missing out on loan signings etc).  If we're lose ten million quid due to this we could be f***ed in terms of betting promoted.

 

And again despite who is right or wrong in the argument.  Keegan has chosen to sue the club.  We were relegated and obviously financially stuffed and Keegan still continued with his legal case.  Keegan was offered 4 million (allegedly) and he still carries on with his legal case to make an extra couple million.  All for personal gain.  IMO this makes Keegan a c*** on equal footing with Ashely if not worse.

 

 

 

 

Really,  '"Keegan a c*** on an equal footing with Ashley if not worse". Tell me are you ignorant, too young to remember or are you a Sunderland fan?   

 

Serious question

 

It seems to be typical of a significant percentage of posts on here. Thankfully I think you represent only a tiny proportion of Newcastle fans.

 

In my experience of talking to Newcastle fans at games, particularly the travelling supporters, your views and other views similar to yours have no credibility whatsoever, in fact they are quite offensive   

 

You have not responded to any thing I had to say just insulted me as my opinion is different to yours.... and yet you imply I am a child. 

 

I have no problem with your opinion being different to mine about whether Keegan should be claiming money that he thinks he is entitled to - thats what forums are all about.

 

I have a problem with you calling Keegan a cunt 

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bovineblue

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So if Ashley is found to be in the wrong and Keegan wins, it's not actually Ashley's fault that the club will lose that money, it's Keegan's fault for persuing his legal entitlements?

 

What difference does it make who's fault it is? What are the repercussions for the club is what bothers me.

 

Indeed.  Who gives a crap who is right is some legal pissing contest between Ashley and Keegan (or more factually Keegan vs NUFC).  What I care about is the 10million and where that comes from.  We are in being run against what looks like a very tight budget (missing out on loan signings etc).  If we're lose ten million quid due to this we could be f***ed in terms of betting promoted.

 

And again despite who is right or wrong in the argument.  Keegan has chosen to sue the club.  We were relegated and obviously financially stuffed and Keegan still continued with his legal case.  Keegan was offered 4 million (allegedly) and he still carries on with his legal case to make an extra couple million.  All for personal gain.  IMO this makes Keegan a c*** on equal footing with Ashely if not worse.

 

 

So the players must be c***s for picking up their wages each week.  In fact any member of staff picking up their legal entitlements from the club is a bigger c*** than Ashley according to this logic.  I mean, nobody should be taking money from the club under the current circumstances.  Even if they are legally entitled to it.

 

That's a completely false analogy. Keegan isn't claiming for work that he's done for the club. He's claiming that he should be paid up for the rest of his contract, despite the fact that he left the job early. There's also a suggestion that he's claiming for loss of supposed future earnings at other clubs. All of which would have to come out of the club.

 

In order to support Keegan you have to believe a) that his job had become impossible and  b) that it is fair that he gets paid compensation in quite large quantities (note - this is compensation, not earned wages). I find both difficult to accept.

 

There are also posters on here who actually believe that a) and b) are compatible with him 'loving' the club. None of us are on our best behaviour when there's large amounts of money at stake, and we shouldn't get too much on our high horse when someone tries to use grey areas of the law to make money. But we shouldn't look at it in any other way than as blatant self-seeking.

 

All that Keegan will get is what he's found to be legally entitled to.  It might be millions, it might be nothing but he won't be getting any money unless it's found (by the people who actually have the evidence in front of them) that he's in the right and the club was in the wrong.  In which case, the flow of money out of the club is down to the man that made the poor decisions rather than Keegan.

 

If it proves that Keegan is entitled to that money, I don't exactly see why he's a c*** for not pumping millions of what will effectively be his own cash directly into Ashley's pocket the club.

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Darth Crooks

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They say you should never meet your heroes, you'll only ever be dissapointed...I met kevin and a load of players at rushden and diamonds in pre-season once and they were brilliant. It's all b0ll0cks....Buzz lightyear was a stuck-up w@nker though...

 

The sooner ashley and keegan are ancient history the better. Almost everything that happened during the Sheperd/Ashley dynasties deserves criticism. I question the love kevin keegan professes to have for this club and theres no question ashley is a prize idiot. I hope this legal/political farce is water under the bridge asap and there are people at the top who have the ability to appoint a manager who won't spend like he's on champ manager but also don't want the club as pure real estate either

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