themanupstairs Posted May 5, 2009 Share Posted May 5, 2009 Silly really. It was a stupid sending off but it sounds like he's being made a scapegoat for the mess we're in. Not if he caused bother in the dressing room. Many a player down the years have taken royal bollocking from managers like Ferguson, Clough, etc... The very hint of any of them talking back, let alone calling names and attempting to brawl would have seen them out on their arse at the snap of a finger. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skirge Posted May 5, 2009 Share Posted May 5, 2009 Right I never wanted us to sign him and he has proven again he is well lets say rash at times, but if he is serious about staying if we go down then its sad but we will need players like him if we want to come straight back up. Its was a no need back tackle that on its own would merrit no further punishment by the club, it did not cost us that game but him being banned will cost us and I guess thats why Al is so pissed. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mowen Posted May 5, 2009 Share Posted May 5, 2009 Sends out a clear message that Shearer is the main man, and will take no s*** - if the Sun story is true then it was the only decision to make IMO. Shearer by nature is a larger than life character. This is the only trait I see in him that gives me hope that he could be a bloody good manager in time. The single most important man at any club is the manager, and he has that "I'm the main man, don't fuck with me" thing about him. Graeme Souness also had that. He really didn't though. No-one was scared of him, and he had fights with numerous players throughout his career, none of whom were as mental as wor Joey. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
themanupstairs Posted May 5, 2009 Share Posted May 5, 2009 Sends out a clear message that Shearer is the main man, and will take no s*** - if the Sun story is true then it was the only decision to make IMO. Shearer by nature is a larger than life character. This is the only trait I see in him that gives me hope that he could be a bloody good manager in time. The single most important man at any club is the manager, and he has that "I'm the main man, don't f*** with me" thing about him. Graeme Souness also had that. Yes that is true. Obviously I'm not saying it's a guarantee to make him a good manager. All I'm saying is that it's a trait of a successful manager, and Shearer already possesses it. We'll have to see what else he's made up of of course. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Mcdonald36 Posted May 5, 2009 Share Posted May 5, 2009 Silly really. It was a stupid sending off but it sounds like he's being made a scapegoat for the mess we're in. He could (and should) have played a massive part in us avoiding relegation. His idiocy has destroyed that. Shearer has every right to be fuming - particularly if the story in the Sun is right - and the club have every right to back up their manager. I wouldn't disagree with that, IF the story is true, but it's a pretty big if considering where the story is from. Discipline him by all means but trying to make an even bigger issue out of it just smacks of deflecting from the shambles we've become He's a convinient scapegoat, imo. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ED209 Posted May 5, 2009 Share Posted May 5, 2009 Joey Barton always Fartin tra la la la la....................... free joey barton, not very long in captivity. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lovejoy Posted May 5, 2009 Share Posted May 5, 2009 Silly really. It was a stupid sending off but it sounds like he's being made a scapegoat for the mess we're in. He could (and should) have played a massive part in us avoiding relegation. His idiocy has destroyed that. Shearer has every right to be fuming - particularly if the story in the Sun is right - and the club have every right to back up their manager. I wouldn't disagree with that, IF the story is true, but it's a pretty big if considering where the story is from. Discipline him by all means but trying to make an even bigger issue out of it just smacks of deflecting from the shambles we've become He's a convinient scapegoat, imo. i think the action by the club points to the story having some truth. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted May 5, 2009 Share Posted May 5, 2009 Sends out a clear message that Shearer is the main man, and will take no s*** - if the Sun story is true then it was the only decision to make IMO. Shearer by nature is a larger than life character. This is the only trait I see in him that gives me hope that he could be a bloody good manager in time. The single most important man at any club is the manager, and he has that "I'm the main man, don't fuck with me" thing about him. Graeme Souness also had that. I've said this before, but the Bellamy situation should have taught Shearer a thing or two about how to handle such situations. Or how not to handle them... At the end of the day Barton could have been an important player for us in these last three games but through no fault but his own he now can't be involved. That's different to Souness not recognising getting rid of Bellamy (for purely personal reasons) would have massive implications on the team. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted May 5, 2009 Share Posted May 5, 2009 Silly really. It was a stupid sending off but it sounds like he's being made a scapegoat for the mess we're in. He could (and should) have played a massive part in us avoiding relegation. His idiocy has destroyed that. Shearer has every right to be fuming - particularly if the story in the Sun is right - and the club have every right to back up their manager. I wouldn't disagree with that, IF the story is true, but it's a pretty big if considering where the story is from. Discipline him by all means but trying to make an even bigger issue out of it just smacks of deflecting from the shambles we've become He's a convinient scapegoat, imo. i think the action by the club points to the story having some truth. Pretty much confirms it for me. If it was total bollocks there would be nothing but perhaps a denial, and as someone pointed out earlier players get fined all the time without it being this high-profile. We've put that statement out for a reason. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LoveItIfWeBeatU Posted May 5, 2009 Share Posted May 5, 2009 He's a marked man. The list of trouble he has been in is as long as your arm. No point being a good player if you get your self sent off. As for verbally attacking the manager, where the hell does he expect that to get him? A one way ticket out of the club. He's been with us two seasons and what's he done for us? He's been in prison and injured mostly. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Superior Acuña Posted May 5, 2009 Share Posted May 5, 2009 I asked for people to calm down based on just the tackle. If the Sun's stuff's true, of course things are very different. I'll give him the benefit of the doubt for now though, not the biggest fan of the Sun. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest neesy111 Posted May 5, 2009 Share Posted May 5, 2009 barton is a clown of a person, you can't say that to shearer or any boss, alan should of fucking knocked him out as the dirty scouse scum bag deserves it there's a complete difference between bellamy and barton situations bellamy had shown what a valuable player to the team he is barton we've never seen him play a decent run of games yet and never will time to sack the bastard and keep his registration so another club if they want him will need to pay up Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaizero Posted May 5, 2009 Share Posted May 5, 2009 Based on what's in The Sun, it's the right move by the club. If for some reason it was not from what's in the sun, but for just the tackle, it'd be madness by the club. Because in my opinion he didn't lie when he said he was "the best player at the club". Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted May 5, 2009 Share Posted May 5, 2009 Based on what's in The Sun, it's the right move by the club. If for some reason it was not from what's in the sun, but for just the tackle, it'd be madness by the club. Because in my opinion he didn't lie when he said he was "the best player at the club". Entitled to your opinion of course, but he's never come close to justifying that tag in our colours IYAM. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaizero Posted May 5, 2009 Share Posted May 5, 2009 Based on what's in The Sun, it's the right move by the club. If for some reason it was not from what's in the sun, but for just the tackle, it'd be madness by the club. Because in my opinion he didn't lie when he said he was "the best player at the club". Entitled to your opinion of course, but he's never come close to justifying that tag in our colours IYAM. That's true, but the glimmers we've seen of him when he's actually played, clearly shows the man has talent. At least more so than Butt and co in midfield. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted May 5, 2009 Share Posted May 5, 2009 If we're basing it on glimmers then Martins has far more talent, for example. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LoveItIfWeBeatU Posted May 5, 2009 Share Posted May 5, 2009 Before the game Shearer apparently told Barton to make sure he kept his head and not get sent off. He did the exact opposite. If Shearer has suspended Barton for that alone it's fair enough in my opinion. Barton knew how important he was for the last 3 games and he has made our survival battle even harder than it had to be. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Superior Acuña Posted May 5, 2009 Share Posted May 5, 2009 I think particularly in our position, him, and Smith, are of large value. If we could somehow detain him and just get him to the games, I'd love it. When he's actually on the pitch, you can tell the football really means a lot to him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaizero Posted May 5, 2009 Share Posted May 5, 2009 If we're basing it on glimmers then Martins has far more talent, for example. Not really, as Martins has many appearances to judge from. Barton has like, nowt, but in those few he's looked canny good. We wouldn't know for sure of course, until he'd have more apps, which he won't get now. But based on what we've seen from him so far, it's good. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
themanupstairs Posted May 5, 2009 Share Posted May 5, 2009 Could have really been a cult hero up here if he'd mended his ways. What a disappointment tbh as he is a quality footballer. Twat Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LoveItIfWeBeatU Posted May 5, 2009 Share Posted May 5, 2009 I think particularly in our position, him, and Smith, are of large value. If we could somehow detain him and just get him to the games, I'd love it. When he's actually on the pitch, you can tell the football really means a lot to him. Keep him in a padded cell until match days then unleash him on the opposition? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted May 5, 2009 Share Posted May 5, 2009 If we're basing it on glimmers then Martins has far more talent, for example. Not really, as Martins has many appearances. Barton has like, nowt. Mainly because he was in jail. Even if he is the best player at the club, what use is he if he's never on the pitch? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaizero Posted May 5, 2009 Share Posted May 5, 2009 If we're basing it on glimmers then Martins has far more talent, for example. Not really, as Martins has many appearances. Barton has like, nowt. Mainly because he was in jail. Even if he is the best player at the club, what use is he if he's never on the pitch? Edited my post a bit But I agree with you, it's no use when he's never on the pitch. Which is the sad thing, since had he been remotely sane he'd be (based on what we've seen of him) a great asset to the club on the pitch. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted May 5, 2009 Share Posted May 5, 2009 If we're basing it on glimmers then Martins has far more talent, for example. Not really, as Martins has many appearances to judge from. Barton has like, nowt, but in those few he's looked canny good. We wouldn't know for sure of course, until he'd have more apps, which he won't get now. But based on what we've seen from him so far, it's good. I think you're getting carried away. He's hardly shown anything for us than simply being better than the competition. Which isn't exactly difficult. Anyway, agree to disagree again. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sugoinufc Posted May 5, 2009 Share Posted May 5, 2009 I think Shearers decision is alright! Everybody knew how important barton could be in our survival....including himself, i guess! The club have backed him through all his mistakes...and in return he p*sses all over the fans, club and shearer who even before the match told him to behave (i think i read somewhere) If we/shearer didn´t drew the line here....then every behavior of the players would be acceptable! f*ck off you unthankful c*nt Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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