RIP sale thread.

[Guest gggg]

This bloke is abit close to Ashley for my liking.

[Cajun]

We've got the wage bill under £30m by my best estimate, and these players, with a couple of loans, freebies and cheap deals to reinforce the squad will win the Championship. Then the owner will have a Premier League club that wont need a new stadium to be built, and will collect the third highest matchday revenue in that league, and with all that has come to pass, the owner would have a completely blank slate with regards to what he can do.

 

Even though we are in a division below, you can do more with us in 10 years than you could ever do with Everton, West Ham, Aston Villa, Blackburn, Wigan, Sunderland, even Man City if you were rich enough.

 

We should be the best value for money purchase ever made in football if someone had money, ambition, and foresight.

 

No way the wage bill is under £30m, more like mid to high 40's.  I definitely agree with the rest though.

yeah by my rough calculations with duff gone some 23m a year has gone off the wage bill since the end of last year so that would leave it in the 40-50m bracket

 

I dunno, I couldn't remember figures for what it was before, so tried counting upwards, as as far as I'm aware, the likes of Rozehnal were on the last wage bill estimate and we know that more have gone out than in since then:

 

Harper £40,000

Colo £50,000

Enrique £40,000

Nolan £40,000

Barton £50,000

Guthrie £20,000

Simpson £10,000

Taylor £30,000

Smith £50,000

Jonas £40,000

Xisco £40,000

Geremi £50,000

Butt £50,000

Shola £35,000

Carroll £15,000

Taylor £25,000

 

= £495,000 a week

 

x52 = £25,740,000

 

Obviously plus youngsters and staff,

 

YOU DON'T HAVE A FUCKING CLUE WHAT THE PLAYERS ARE EARNING. It's laugable people making these suggestions. Do you even know what percentage, if any, of Danny Simpson's wages are paying? No you don't.

 

Absolute bullshit post.

 

[Minhosa]

This idea of co-ownership seems to be gathering pace and as far as I can see it's based purely on the fact that a couple of people on this thread suggested it. Even the local media have picked it up from here I reckon.

 

Ashley wants out, Moat wants in. Can't particularly see why anything has changed.

 

I think what's changed is Ashleys expectations in regard to the sale amount. There's obviously not been an offer to meet his ideal sale figure otherwise he'd have been off by now.

 

That coupled with the wage bill being reduced, the start to the season from a relaively 'cheap' squad, the lack of any form of protest from the fans and the fact Moat wants in, possibly can't fund a whole takeover and is someone he can work with (they seem quite matey) makes me summise he may be here for a while yet.

 

All guesswork as you intimate but thought I should explain my rationale.

 

I'm not saying it's not a possibility mate, just that it's by no means a certainty. I still hope (and believe) that Ashley wants to cut all ties with the club and fucks off ASAP.

 

Join the club. He's never going to have the faith, support or believe of the fans no matter what he does.

 

That said, if he's in the background and someone with half a brain and a tongue runs the business properly then we'll have to grin and bare it I suppose.

[midds]

Meeow, Yorkie. 

[cubaricho]

YOU DON'T HAVE A FUCKING CLUE WHAT THE PLAYERS ARE EARNING. It's laugable people making these suggestions. Do you even know what percentage, if any, of Danny Simpson's wages are paying? No you don't.

 

Absolute bullshit post.

 

I agree, I love all of these people who magically know how much each player is making per-week, it's laughable.  The only people who have any clue are the ones running the books, the player, and his agent.  If you're not any of those people you should stop talking before you start acting like you even know.

[Guest Heneage]

YOU DON'T HAVE A f***ing CLUE

FYP

 

This is applicable to most on here.

[Teasy]

YOU DON'T HAVE A FUCKING CLUE WHAT THE PLAYERS ARE EARNING. It's laugable people making these suggestions. Do you even know what percentage, if any, of Danny Simpson's wages are paying? No you don't.

 

Absolute bullshit post.

 

I agree, I love all of these people who magically know how much each player is making per-week, it's laughable.  The only people who have any clue are the ones running the books, the player, and his agent.  If you're not any of those people you should stop talking before you start acting like you even know.

 

Nobody knows exactly what they're on obviously, but we do have a fairly decent idea IMO.  Definitely not close enough to try to count up the squad's wages to get the total wage bill though

[Yorkie]

YOU DON'T HAVE A FUCKING CLUE WHAT THE PLAYERS ARE EARNING. It's laugable people making these suggestions. Do you even know what percentage, if any, of Danny Simpson's wages are paying? No you don't.

 

Absolute bullshit post.

 

I agree, I love all of these people who magically know how much each player is making per-week, it's laughable.  The only people who have any clue are the ones running the books, the player, and his agent.  If you're not any of those people you should stop talking before you start acting like you even know.

 

I think we have a fairly decent idea what a lot of them are on.  Obviously none of it will be exact but most of it will be in the right area.  Not close enough to try to count up the squad's wages to get the wage bill though

 

No we don't. How do we have any clue? Please, just honestly answer that. I'm just looking for a genuine explanation.

[jdckelly]

we can take rough guesstimates and not be far wrong

[Teasy]

Because people talk.  The media aren't all completely useless, they don't all guess at everything.  If you check out enough sources (and ignore shit like NOTW, Mirror, SUN ect) you'll usually get a decent idea on the kind of wage a player's on, at least the right kind of area anyway.

[Yorkie]

I probably jumped on your post a bit too rashly there, Teasy. I'm inclined to agree - it's probably fair to say that it's between X and Y, but as you say - we've nowhere near enough evidence to chart up a tally of wages and say we're shelling out Z amount of money.

[Guest The Libertine]

it doesnt take a genius to get a decent ballpark figure. proof above.

[Teasy]

I probably jumped on your post a bit too rashly there, Teasy. I'm inclined to agree - it's probably fair to say that it's between X and Y, but as you say - we've nowhere near enough evidence to chart up a tally of wages and say we're shelling out Z amount of money.

 

Yeah I definitely agree with that, I said so in my post, trying to do that just doesn't work at all.

[Ketsbaia]

The latest brief offering from George Caulkin http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/sport/football/football_league/article6798419.ece

 

Mike Ashley’s decision to sit next to Barry Moat, the Tyneside businessman attempting to purchase Newcastle United, at the home game against Reading on Saturday was a show of unity for the benefit of Barclays Bank.

 

Moat, who is understood to have American backers, is attempting to raise the funds to buy Newcastle and install Alan Shearer as manager. Moat is due to hear this week from Barclays, which also furnishes the club’s overdraft, whether it will back his bid.

 

The appearance of Moat, who is the preferred bidder of Seymour Pierce, the investment bank charged with selling Newcastle, alongside Ashley was designed to reassure Barclays that the two men are united as negotiations enter their most delicate stage.

 

No real news there

 

[Dave]

Interesting though. Let's hope it did the trick.

[Guest ItalianMagpie]

There's something I'm missing here: how will Ashley be able to insist that he wants £100 million for the club if he's cutting down its value by selling most of the players? I guess that if the club was worth £100 million 2 weeks ago now it's surely not. Of course it's not only the players lot which affects the club's value, but it's an important part of it anyway. I cannot think that none of the two (or more) businessmen involved in the negotiations took this into account.

[Alberto2005]

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[cubaricho]

There's something I'm missing here: how will Ashley be able to insist that he wants £100 million for the club if he's cutting down its value by selling most of the players? I guess that if the club was worth £100 million 2 weeks ago now it's surely not. Of course it's not only the players lot which affects the club's value, but it's an important part of it anyway. I cannot think that none of the two (or more) businessmen involved in the negotiations took this into account.

 

The club could still be worth 100 million but the debt the new owner will inherit will be considerably less.

[Guest ItalianMagpie]

There's something I'm missing here: how will Ashley be able to insist that he wants £100 million for the club if he's cutting down its value by selling most of the players? I guess that if the club was worth £100 million 2 weeks ago now it's surely not. Of course it's not only the players lot which affects the club's value, but it's an important part of it anyway. I cannot think that none of the two (or more) businessmen involved in the negotiations took this into account.

 

The club could still be worth 100 million but the debt the new owner will inherit will be considerably less.

Yes, but also the squad's value will be less. And the debt is still there, only the "future debts" are reduced now.

[SteveMc]

The overdraft will have been significantly reduced and the reduction in wages will make the cluba more attractive proposition long term.  In fact it is more likely that buyers are happy to pay a bigger price now that current and future liabilities have been reduced.  At least this is what the likes of Caulkin were saying roughly a month ago.

[Guest ObaStar]

There's something I'm missing here: how will Ashley be able to insist that he wants £100 million for the club if he's cutting down its value by selling most of the players? I guess that if the club was worth £100 million 2 weeks ago now it's surely not. Of course it's not only the players lot which affects the club's value, but it's an important part of it anyway. I cannot think that none of the two (or more) businessmen involved in the negotiations took this into account.

 

The club could still be worth 100 million but the debt the new owner will inherit will be considerably less.

Yes, but also the squad's value will be less. And the debt is still there, only the "future debts" are reduced now.

 

What are you talking about? When someone appraises Newcastle United and decides it is worth 100 Mill, it is taking into account how much the squad is worth. If Duff is sold for 4 mill, the club isn't worth 4 mill less, the 4 mill has just been transferred from a player to cash in the club bank account. the club is still worth the same. I don't understand how people don't get this.

[Dave]

BUT IT GOEZ INTO MIEK ASLEES POCKET!!!11

 

:omg:

[Dave]

http://www.journallive.co.uk/nufc/newcastle-united-news/2009/08/17/barry-moat-banking-on-barclays-approval-61634-24457916/

Barry Moat banking on Barclays’ approval

 

Aug 17 2009 by Mark Douglas, The Journal

 

PROSPECTIVE Newcastle United owner Barry Moat hopes to get the green light from Barclays Bank by Wednesday for the loan which will enable him to end Mike Ashley’s disastrous stewardship.

 

The Journal understands that Moat expects to hear a decision by the middle of the week, setting in motion a chain of events which will surely determine whether United can maintain their sterling start to the Championship season.

 

Moat sat alongside Ashley in the director’s box at St James’s Park on Saturday in a move designed to show the undecided financial institutions that both men are on good terms.

 

The pair watched United record an emphatic 3-0 victory over Reading and stay unbeaten in the Championship but their hopes of maintaining that momentum reach a crossroads this week.

 

If Moat and his backers, who form Seymour Pierce’s preferred bidders, get an agreement from Barclays they expect to appoint Alan Shearer in time for the trip to Crystal Palace on Saturday – and provide him with assurances that his squad will not be further depleted.

 

There will also be extensive player recruitment, although United are on the verge of completing the signing of free agent Sol Campbell this week even if Shearer is not in charge.

 

Failure for Moat would set in motion a chain of events which would see Ashley withdraw the club from the market, and the owner sanction the sale of key assets Steven Taylor and Jonas Gutierrez before the end of the transfer window.

 

Taylor is on the verge of leaving for Everton - with some sources in the North West suggesting he was due at Goodison Park for a medical today - but it is likely that the defender will hang on for a few more days to see whether Shearer is appointed boss.

 

Gutierrez’s future is also shrouded in mystery after claims by Portsmouth’s owner-in-waiting Sulamain al-Fahim that the South coast club are in talks with the Argentina winger.

 

“We are speaking to Newcastle about the possibility of bringing Jonas Gutierrez to the club,” he said.

 

Ashley retaining control would dent the enthusiasm of United’s support after an uplifting victory over the weekend that kept the club unbeaten in the Championship.

 

Almost 35,000 were at St James’s Park and they sung loud and lustily in favour of Ashley relinquishing control of the club – songs that were met with grins by the United owner. And he is prepared to batton down the hatches and take the club off the market if Moat or another bidder doesn’t come forward.

 

The owner would also have to sort out the issue of the club’s manager, having privately ruled out the possibility of Shearer taking over.

 

Joe Kinnear has been telling friends in football that he will be the new manager this week if Ashley is still in charge but the owner has other options - and the former interim boss has sullied his reputation with thoughtless remarks about Newcastle fans earlier this month. For hat-trick hero Shola Ameobi, the only option if no owner is found is giving the job to the current incumbents. He believes Chris Hughton and Colin Calderwood can take the club back up to the Premier League at the first time of asking.

 

“If the owner doesn’t sell the club we have got two guys there who we believe in as players,” he said.

 

“We believe they can do a great job and they have done already. All I have seen in pre-season is that the lads really respect Chris and Colin.”

 

Shut up Shola.

[BONTEMPI]

This week great!  Sol Campbell great!

 

What's the bet the person approving the loan at Barclays hates newcastle with a passion?

 

 

 

[QBG]

Please god.