Sifu Posted June 1, 2012 Share Posted June 1, 2012 If only Gerrard was'nt Captain so he didnt have to be picked Exactly, it's an absurd choice. Joe Hart all day long for me, said the same last time. Hart as captain, really? Personally, I really don't see him as leadership material. Why? My main reasoning is that I just can't see a goalkeeper being a good choice for captain because, logically speaking, he is unable to be that influential on the pitch. Admittedly, a keeper can inspire his defence by commanding his area well and making top notch saves and I guess you could count that as being an instance of leading by example but I just think that a captain should be an outfield player, one who can basically cover all areas of the pitch. Hart does seem to be a decent lad and is probably the most likeable player in the England squad but he just doesn't strike me as a leader. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Interpolic Posted June 1, 2012 Share Posted June 1, 2012 If only Gerrard was'nt Captain so he didnt have to be picked Exactly, it's an absurd choice. Joe Hart all day long for me, said the same last time. Hart as captain, really? Personally, I really don't see him as leadership material. Why? My main reasoning is that I just can't see a goalkeeper being a good choice for captain because, logically speaking, he is unable to be that influential on the pitch. Admittedly, a keeper can inspire his defence by commanding his area well and making top notch saves and I guess you could count that as being an instance of leading by example but I just think that a captain should be an outfield player, one who can basically cover all areas of the pitch. Hart does seem to be a decent lad and is probably the most likeable player in the England squad but he just doesn't strike me as a leader. I don't see why it matters, Gerrard or Terry or Rooney can't be vocal or influential if they don't have the armband on? It makes little to no difference, I say we give it to Hart who is one of our best players, practically guaranteed to be an ever present, good with the media stuff, etc. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Interpolic Posted June 1, 2012 Share Posted June 1, 2012 Also we've seen examples like Casillas and Zoff where a goalkeeper has led teams to huge success. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sifu Posted June 1, 2012 Share Posted June 1, 2012 Also we've seen examples like Casillas and Zoff where a goalkeeper has led teams to huge success. I realise that but guess I'm just one of those people who prefers an outfield player as captain. I am somewhat of a traditionalist in this sense, the way I see it is that a captain should be able to lead a team by his example. Like I've said, a goalkeeper can inspire his defence with world class saves and if he commands his area well but a keeper isn't as involved in a match as the outfield players (as in, a keeper could very well spend an entire half just standing there, watching his team dominate play and possession). Btw, yes, there should be leaders all over the pitch but having an armband on should mean something and should act as extra motivation for the player wearing it (which is a moot point I guess with Gerrard having it atm). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Interpolic Posted June 2, 2012 Share Posted June 2, 2012 I'm not sure I agree at all about goalkeepers not being captains tbh, I think Schmeichel would have been a great Man Utd captain if Keane wasn't around for example. Not saying Hart's quite that influential but he's not an empty vessel either, think he'd certainly rise to the challenge if given the responsibility. Plus there would hopefully be some longevity there, the way the role has been passed around between Terry and Ferdinand and Parker and Gerrard etc, is a bit of a joke imo. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest n4e Posted June 2, 2012 Share Posted June 2, 2012 Hart would have been the perfect choice for captain, especially looking at the bigger picture. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sifu Posted June 2, 2012 Share Posted June 2, 2012 I'm not sure I agree at all about goalkeepers not being captains tbh, I think Schmeichel would have been a great Man Utd captain if Keane wasn't around for example. Not saying Hart's quite that influential but he's not an empty vessel either, think he'd certainly rise to the challenge if given the responsibility. Plus there would hopefully be some longevity there, the way the role has been passed around between Terry and Ferdinand and Parker and Gerrard etc, is a bit of a joke imo. I guess it depends on who the player is really. If the keeper in question is in the Schmeichel mound, then he could actually be a decent choice for captain. I'd say though that 9 times out of 10, if a keeper is appointed captain, I would question the decision. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Posted June 2, 2012 Share Posted June 2, 2012 Ashley Cole should be England captain...by a fucking mile. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
David28 Posted June 2, 2012 Share Posted June 2, 2012 Rooney should be captain. Responsibility would help him on and off the pitch. Worked with so many players of the years - Keane, Effenberg, Kahn, Cantona.... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cronky Posted June 2, 2012 Share Posted June 2, 2012 Team for the friendly: Hart; Johnson, Cahill, Terry, Cole; Milner, Gerrard, Parker, Oxlade-Chamberlain; Young, Welbeck. Quite like that side. It shows the right kind of boldness in picking Welbeck and the Ox. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tooj Posted June 2, 2012 Share Posted June 2, 2012 I think Henderson's going to be a very decent player sometime soon, the question is whether he should be going to the Euros after having a shitter of a season. Still, hasn't stopped Gerrard and Carroll getting the call. I think the lad is mentally strong and can put that behind him. The question is whether he's good enough yet to take on a role in CM at that level. He looks mentally weak to me, much like Jenas did. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tooj Posted June 2, 2012 Share Posted June 2, 2012 More looking forward to seeing Belgium play due to the potential in their team. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pilko Posted June 2, 2012 Share Posted June 2, 2012 What time's the game on? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted June 2, 2012 Share Posted June 2, 2012 5:15pm Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ponsaelius Posted June 2, 2012 Share Posted June 2, 2012 Hart, Johnson, Terry, Cahill, Cole, Milner, Parker, Gerrard, Oxlade-Chamberlain, Young, Welbeck Mignolet, G Gillet, Kompany, Vermaelen, Vertonghen, Fellaini, Witsel, Hazard, Mertens, Mirallas, Dembele Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SEMTEX Posted June 2, 2012 Share Posted June 2, 2012 Don't mind that team tbh. With the exception of Welbeck. Nee point in him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted June 2, 2012 Share Posted June 2, 2012 Except the fact he's a good young player. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yorkie Posted June 2, 2012 Share Posted June 2, 2012 Looking forward to seeing what Hazard's all about. Fuck's sake, i hope it's a good game man. Been going mental this past week without the football, since that God-awful Norway game. Looking forward to it and i really want to see a bit of entertaining football - the potential's definitely there. Looking forward to seeing the latest attacking trio from England. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yorkie Posted June 2, 2012 Share Posted June 2, 2012 Except the fact he's a good young player. Sensible edit. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tooj Posted June 2, 2012 Share Posted June 2, 2012 Except the fact he's a good young player. Yup. He never really caught my eye at Sunderland and was surprised when Ferguson was starting him early doors in the season but he really is a bloody good footballer. His partnership with Rooney has been great to watch as well. A much more rounded and polished player than Sturridge is. You can tell that Wellbeck has had a much better footballing education out of the two. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ponsaelius Posted June 2, 2012 Share Posted June 2, 2012 The Welbeck jip on here I don't get. Had a good season last year, far better than Carroll. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted June 2, 2012 Share Posted June 2, 2012 Except the fact he's a good young player. Sensible edit. I edited nowt, Porkie. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SEMTEX Posted June 2, 2012 Share Posted June 2, 2012 Welbeck on his own up front for England man. It's laughable. He's as mediocre as you can imagine. Destined for a career at a perennial 13th-16th placed Prem team. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geordie Ahmed Posted June 2, 2012 Share Posted June 2, 2012 What channel is the England match on? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ponsaelius Posted June 2, 2012 Share Posted June 2, 2012 Welbeck on his own up front for England man. It's laughable. He's as mediocre as you can imagine. Destined for a career at a perennial 13th-16th placed Prem team. Absolute bollocks that like. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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