Ronaldo Posted June 16, 2012 Share Posted June 16, 2012 Gerrard was crap apart from his assist I thought. He only got one, by the way. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yorkie Posted June 16, 2012 Share Posted June 16, 2012 Yeah, thought he was better against France - two decent assists though. Should've buried that chance at the end/left it for Oxlade-Chamberlain. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CPL Posted June 16, 2012 Share Posted June 16, 2012 Gerrard was crap apart from his assist I thought. He only got one, by the way. He's referring to the assist he got against France also. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Phil K Posted June 16, 2012 Share Posted June 16, 2012 Personally I thought Johnson was the worst player on the pitch. I thought he was crap.....and STILL the best defender. Doesn't that speak volumes ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ponsaelius Posted June 16, 2012 Share Posted June 16, 2012 The RAWK thread for this is embarrassing. They want to see Roy fail over England doing well. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neil Posted June 16, 2012 Share Posted June 16, 2012 Entertaining game, enjoyed it. Mind, it hardly told us anything we didn't already know. We're good enough to beat teams like Sweden, but will get beat by a better team - of which there are many in this tournament. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
henke Posted June 16, 2012 Share Posted June 16, 2012 I thought Gerrard played well but that was probably just the beer. I'm sure i read somewhere earlier that Rooney will start against Ukraine. I'd drop Milner because he's been crap both games, but it'll be Welbeck or Carroll surely? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neil Posted June 16, 2012 Share Posted June 16, 2012 Also, Carroll and Welbeck were very good I thought. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Flash Posted June 16, 2012 Share Posted June 16, 2012 but will get beat by a better team - of which there are many in this tournament. Very debatable on the last point. Most other teams considered better have under performed so far while England have done better than we expected. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neil Posted June 16, 2012 Share Posted June 16, 2012 but will get beat by a better team - of which there are many in this tournament. Very debatable on the last point. Most other teams considered better have under performed so far while England have done better than we expected. Personally I think we've done exactly as expected, I think a few opinions of how "bad" we are have been exaggerated. We're not an awful team, good enough to beat teams like Sweden - through making it hard for ourselves, mind. I personally think we'll struggle against the likes of Croatia or Russia if we come to meet them, let alone Germany or Spain, who we could very possibly play in the next round if we make it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
David28 Posted June 16, 2012 Share Posted June 16, 2012 I thought Gerrard played well but that was probably just the beer. I'm sure i read somewhere earlier that Rooney will start against Ukraine. I'd drop Milner because he's been crap both games, but it'll be Welbeck or Carroll surely? No matter how well the team has done so far - Rooney has to start regardless. He'll be able to make a huge difference. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neil Posted June 16, 2012 Share Posted June 16, 2012 Agreed. You need your best player playing, simple as that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wacko Posted June 16, 2012 Share Posted June 16, 2012 First England game I've enjoyed in a while, watching with Germans, like. Good stuff, all in all. A German footie mag said the game was "as beautiful as a drunken woman at four in the morning when you're even drunker." Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted June 16, 2012 Share Posted June 16, 2012 Gerrard was crap apart from his assist I thought. He only got one, by the way. He's referring to the assist he got against France also. He is now. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incognito Posted June 16, 2012 Share Posted June 16, 2012 Gerrard was crap apart from his assist I thought. He only got one, by the way. Quelle surprise. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest firetotheworks Posted June 16, 2012 Share Posted June 16, 2012 I laughed at the Johnson praise as well. They praised him for almost keeping their first goal out, despite playing everyone onside. Then had a go at Young for stepping up with everyone else. (except Johnson) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bowlingcrofty Posted June 16, 2012 Share Posted June 16, 2012 Wellbeck - took his goal well but his first touch and ball control was shocking. Good movement though. Carroll - had a great first half an hour but faded rapidly and started giving away loads of daft fouls. Doesn't look like he has the fitness to handle 90 mins at the top. Gerrard - gave a 'Scotty Parker' type performance. Lovely cross for the goal, but seemed intent on personal glory. On a number of occasions he lost possession an couldn't be fucked to chase it back. Should have left that sitter at the end for AOC. Still, probably our most likely candidate for an assist. Against Ukraine i'd opt for a front three of Carroll (central) and Rooney and Wellbeck roaming off him, with a midfield three of Gerrard, Parker and AOC. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Flash Posted June 16, 2012 Share Posted June 16, 2012 but will get beat by a better team - of which there are many in this tournament. Very debatable on the last point. Most other teams considered better have under performed so far while England have done better than we expected. Personally I think we've done exactly as expected, I think a few opinions of how "bad" we are have been exaggerated. We're not an awful team, good enough to beat teams like Sweden - through making it hard for ourselves, mind. I personally think we'll struggle against the likes of Croatia or Russia if we come to meet them, let alone Germany or Spain, who we could very possibly play in the next round if we make it. Germany and Spain are the 2 who would be the big favourites when they play any other team in the tournament but other than that I think it's very close. England could lose to most teams here and I think they could beat most teams too. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zach Posted June 16, 2012 Share Posted June 16, 2012 I wish we had scored one of the couple of late chances we had. This group could go down to goal difference and it would be nice to miss Spain. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yorkie Posted June 16, 2012 Share Posted June 16, 2012 If they can iron out the fundamental problem they have with keeping a lead, England can potentially stifle teams all the way to the semis, especially if Rooney's up for it. I think they'll beat Ukraine, finishing top of the group and meeting Croatia in the quarters. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
chicago_shearer Posted June 16, 2012 Share Posted June 16, 2012 I'd rather have Italy. Spain second choice. Just not the Croats. So bored of them. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole_Toonfan Posted June 16, 2012 Share Posted June 16, 2012 If they can iron out the fundamental problem they have with keeping a lead, England can potentially stifle teams all the way to the semis, especially if Rooney's up for it. I think they'll beat Ukraine, finishing top of the group and meeting Croatia in the quarters. Even if we beat Ukraine we wont finish the top of the group unless France f*ck things up royally... So Spain it is. No way in hell we are stifling Spain, even Italy who is going to lock down Pirlo & Cassano from combining? it's very very unlikely imo we would have to get ridiculously lucky even the Croat's we would struggle to get past IMO. Ok we scraped past a very poor Sweden side or apart from Ibra is full of very poor players ( some of which ply their trade at the bottom of the Premier League or Championship) but lets not go nuts we are still very poor and haven't really shown anything that would suggest we could oust Spain, Italy or even Croatia. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incognito Posted June 16, 2012 Share Posted June 16, 2012 http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/18471301 Larsson definite dickhead Mackem. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fenham Mag Posted June 16, 2012 Share Posted June 16, 2012 Sunderland midfielder Larsson agreed: "We were definitely better." He should have said 'Dominated'. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Posted June 16, 2012 Share Posted June 16, 2012 The old less goals/possession/shots/chances = "definitely better" argument. They'll be saying they were classier too soon. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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