The England Thread

[Interpolic]

You guys can take the piss all you want, TCD has just demonstrated he is THE defining voice on the history of the Costa Rican and Chilean national teams.

 

Along with everything else.  He must have 10 brains and 0 jobs and -5 girlfriends.

[Wullie]

National teams shouldn't be allowed foreign managers IMO but that is a different argument.

 

I agree.

 

Of course some countries would circumvent any such rule with daft citizenship loopholes, one I'm glad that England haven't gone down.

 

[The College Dropout]

It's not really 'every single situation that relates to football as a sport', is it? I've done research on the teams facing the teams I support in the WC.

 

There's simply not a team doing much better than England who have all the weaknesses England do, I simply pointed that out.

 

Me pointing out that Costa Rica having a fairly experienced and settled international team, in the same system doesn't have to get you so upset.

[Interpolic]

I'm not really very upset, I'm OK I think but the ramblings of an absolute gobshite do occasionally get tedious.  There doesn't ever appear to be a football topic that you're not an expert in.  To put it another way, are there any football sides or leagues you feel your knowledge is weak with?  How/where do you gather your wisdom?

 

And where are your posts pre-World Cup saying that the philosophies of the Costa Rican side ingrained over a number of years might be our undoing?

[The College Dropout]

 

National teams shouldn't be allowed foreign managers IMO but that is a different argument.

 

I agree.

 

Of course some countries would circumvent any such rule with daft citizenship loopholes, one I'm glad that England haven't gone down.

 

It's a stupid suggestion IMO.  Apart from running States, I don't see what nationality has to do with a job.

 

Also the English FA definition of English is loose at best.  English parents but never lived in England is fine. But spending 5 years in the country and becoming a British citizen is not fine. Not born here, don't have English parents but being 'raised' here for some period of time is also fine. Don't get it personally.

[Disco]

 

National teams shouldn't be allowed foreign managers IMO but that is a different argument.

 

I agree.

 

Of course some countries would circumvent any such rule with daft citizenship loopholes, one I'm glad that England haven't gone down.

 

It's a stupid suggestion IMO.  Apart from running States, I don't see what nationality has to do with a job.

 

Also the English FA definition of English is loose at best.  English parents but never lived in England is fine. But spending 5 years in the country and becoming a British citizen is not fine. Not born here, don't have English parents but being 'raised' here for some period of time is also fine. Don't get it personally.

 

It's international football, country v country. No-one who isn't eligible should be anywhere near a national set up. Don't mind the got a passport get a cap rules so much but I'd tighten the residency rules - makes a mockery unless you first moved over to wherever for non-footballing reasons.

 

E.g. Eduardo shouldn't play for Croatia but Shaqiri should play for Switzerland.

[Wullie]

 

National teams shouldn't be allowed foreign managers IMO but that is a different argument.

 

I agree.

 

Of course some countries would circumvent any such rule with daft citizenship loopholes, one I'm glad that England haven't gone down.

 

It's a stupid suggestion IMO.  Apart from running States, I don't see what nationality has to do with a job.

 

 

You don't see what nationality has to do with a job with a national football team?

 

Yeah I agree. Wish England had snapped up Messi before the Argentinians.

 

[TRon]

National teams shouldn't be allowed foreign managers IMO but that is a different argument.

 

That works well in every way. England invariably hire foreign managers who come with a good reputation then become Alan Pardew once they've got the job over here. Yet even the shittiest banana republic side become giant killers under some past it big name foreign manager elsewhere.

[B-more Mag]

When it comes right down to it, international football is kind of an outdated and unprogressive concept.

[Beren]

When it comes right down to it, international football is kind of an outdated and unprogressive concept.

 

World Cup aside it's shite.

[The College Dropout]

 

I'm not really very upset, I'm OK I think but the ramblings of an absolute gobshite do occasionally get tedious.  There doesn't ever appear to be a football topic that you're not an expert in.  To put it another way, are there any football sides or leagues you feel your knowledge is weak with?  How/where do you gather your wisdom?

 

And where are your posts pre-World Cup saying that the philosophies of the Costa Rican side ingrained over a number of years might be our undoing?

 

You say there's never a footballing subject I'm not an expert on but I've never given an opinion on Jack Colback's ability or the majority of Ligue 1 players we are linked to until I've seen them play for us or someone else.  Outside of the CL teams I never talk about Bundesliga teams or players.

 

Just because you didn't care to do any research on England's opposition doesn't mean I can't. I've never once spoken about Costa Rica's quality - I know a handful of their players, I've known for a good wile they play a back 5. I've known about the general make-up of the side and manager. I could tell you about the USA side or the Ivorian side. You might not care to find out anything about these things but I do. It's the World Cup ffs.  There's a billion previews for anyone that cares. 

[triggs]

When it comes right down to it, international football is kind of an outdated and unprogressive concept.

 

World Cup aside it's shite.

The euros are good too usually to be fair. That might change now though with the expansion to 24 teams

[The College Dropout]

 

 

National teams shouldn't be allowed foreign managers IMO but that is a different argument.

 

I agree.

 

Of course some countries would circumvent any such rule with daft citizenship loopholes, one I'm glad that England haven't gone down.

 

It's a stupid suggestion IMO.  Apart from running States, I don't see what nationality has to do with a job.

 

 

You don't see what nationality has to do with a job with a national football team?

 

Yeah I agree. Wish England had snapped up Messi before the Argentinians.

 

You can be stupid if you want too.

[Interpolic]

Again:

 

Where are your posts pre-World Cup saying that the philosophies of the Costa Rican side ingrained over a number of years might be our undoing?

 

It's just the way you said it and all the exhaustive research you've done before the World Cup, well personally if I was in your shoes I might've mentioned it.

[The College Dropout]

 

 

National teams shouldn't be allowed foreign managers IMO but that is a different argument.

 

I agree.

 

Of course some countries would circumvent any such rule with daft citizenship loopholes, one I'm glad that England haven't gone down.

 

It's a stupid suggestion IMO.  Apart from running States, I don't see what nationality has to do with a job.

 

Also the English FA definition of English is loose at best.  English parents but never lived in England is fine. But spending 5 years in the country and becoming a British citizen is not fine. Not born here, don't have English parents but being 'raised' here for some period of time is also fine. Don't get it personally.

 

It's international football, country v country. No-one who isn't eligible should be anywhere near a national set up. Don't mind the got a passport get a cap rules so much but I'd tighten the residency rules - makes a mockery unless you first moved over to wherever for non-footballing reasons.

 

E.g. Eduardo shouldn't play for Croatia but Shaqiri should play for Switzerland.

 

Disagree.  If you're a citizen of a country, why shouldn't you be able to represent them for a sport? Eduardo's more a Croatian than Hargreaves was an Englishman.

[Ronaldo]

When it comes right down to it, international football is kind of an outdated and unprogressive concept.

 

World Cup aside it's shite.

 

It really, really is.

[The College Dropout]

 

Again:

 

Where are your posts pre-World Cup saying that the philosophies of the Costa Rican side ingrained over a number of years might be our undoing?

 

It's just the way you said it and all the exhaustive research you've done before the World Cup, well personally if I was in your shoes I might've mentioned it.

 

I've been posting on this forum for nearly a decade and the majority of people here where surprised to know I'm Ghanaian - and have followed and supported them for the last couple of decades. There's plenty I know and do about football I'm sure you are clueless to.  Knowing the formation and profile of the Costa Rican team is the least of them.

 

Like I said, I never mentioned ability with Costa Rica. Just factors I know they have that are a benefit. Over 7 months, watching our for the few players I can watch, listening to World Cup preview podcasts, reading previews online I can come up with a bit of information on 1 of 3 teams England are guaranteed to face at the WC.

[Interpolic]

You're full of shit.  Night, babes. xx

[TRon]

 

Again:

 

Where are your posts pre-World Cup saying that the philosophies of the Costa Rican side ingrained over a number of years might be our undoing?

 

It's just the way you said it and all the exhaustive research you've done before the World Cup, well personally if I was in your shoes I might've mentioned it.

 

I've been posting on this forum for nearly a decade and the majority of people here where surprised to know I'm Ghanaian - and have followed and supported them for the last couple of decades. There's plenty I know and do about football I'm sure you are clueless to.  Knowing the formation and profile of the Costa Rican team is the least of them.

 

Like I said, I never mentioned ability with Costa Rica. Just factors I know they have that are a benefit. Over 7 months, watching our for the few players I can watch, listening to World Cup preview podcasts, reading previews online I can come up with a bit of information on 1 of 3 teams England are guaranteed to face at the WC.

 

I never knew you were Ghanaian, I just assumed you were a thick Englishman. I suppose there's not much difference considering you and a vast majority of English people think Pardew is a good manager. 

[loki679]

TCD hitting IP on the break and he's rattled, the comeback is on.

[Cronky]

Can you expand on your understanding of the philosophies of the Costa Rican side ingrained over a number of years, then explain how you have time in your life to devote your attention to the point of apparent expertise about every single situation that relates to football as a sport?  Would be helpful, cheers.  Always learning.

 

They've had the same coach since 2011 and he's largely stuck with the same team, as evidenced by the majority of the team having a good number of caps and being fairly mature in age. When Bryan Oviedo played really well for Everton it was said he played as a wingback in a back 5 for Costa Rica. It was given as a reason why he looked so dangerous going forward as that's important for a wingback.

 

Same applies with Chile. They've had Bieslian style tactics since 2007 give or take a year or two with another style of management.

 

So unlike England - Costa Rica have had the same team, play in the same shape for at least the last 4 years more or less. Even with players dropping out - they've kept the same system (in formation at least). England switched formations fairly recently, changed the LB, midfield duo, attacking partnerships and the widemen constantly over the last 36 months. Only a handful of the starters and players coming off the bench have more than 30 caps. Considerably less as starters.

 

 

I'm sorry for having more footballing knowledge & common sense than yourself.

 

Like I said, there's not many teams coming to the WC with such little experience or talent and have come to play attacking football. This is a pretty different team from the one that qualified for the tournament even.

 

I don't know about Chile or Costa Rica, but you're right about England.

 

For no particular reason, we don't have a good crop of defenders at the moment, but going forward, it was like we had too many options and made too many changes.

[loki679]

They need an established, reliable, proven partnership in the centre of defence.

 

Step forward Steven Vincent 'Twat' Taylor and Michael James 'Willo' Williamson, your time has come. 

[themanupstairs]

Suarez also called it his "retribution" for the treatment he's received over here.

 

He's a great footballer; but he's an altogether bigger Cnut. As for the Scousers, they'll be cheering on Uruguay all the way now. Suarez is a Scouser after all.

 

It'd be idiotic as the sooner Uruguay get knocked out, the more of a pre-season Suarez will have.

 

Why would you care about a Real Madrid player getting in preseason?

[Incognito]

 

 

National teams shouldn't be allowed foreign managers IMO but that is a different argument.

 

I agree.

 

Of course some countries would circumvent any such rule with daft citizenship loopholes, one I'm glad that England haven't gone down.

 

It's a stupid suggestion IMO.  Apart from running States, I don't see what nationality has to do with a job.

 

Also the English FA definition of English is loose at best.  English parents but never lived in England is fine. But spending 5 years in the country and becoming a British citizen is not fine. Not born here, don't have English parents but being 'raised' here for some period of time is also fine. Don't get it personally.

 

It's international football, country v country. No-one who isn't eligible should be anywhere near a national set up. Don't mind the got a passport get a cap rules so much but I'd tighten the residency rules - makes a mockery unless you first moved over to wherever for non-footballing reasons.

 

E.g. Eduardo shouldn't play for Croatia but Shaqiri should play for Switzerland.

 

Disagree.  If you're a citizen of a country, why shouldn't you be able to represent them for a sport? Eduardo's more a Croatian than Hargreaves was an Englishman.

That's nonsense, piffle and bullshit all rolled up into a big bollocks sandwich. The blood in Owen Hargreaves is 100% British, Eduardo is Brazilian.

 

In your mind if a dog was born in or decided to live in a stable, he'd then become a horse.

[The College Dropout]

 

 

 

National teams shouldn't be allowed foreign managers IMO but that is a different argument.

 

I agree.

 

Of course some countries would circumvent any such rule with daft citizenship loopholes, one I'm glad that England haven't gone down.

 

It's a stupid suggestion IMO.  Apart from running States, I don't see what nationality has to do with a job.

 

Also the English FA definition of English is loose at best.  English parents but never lived in England is fine. But spending 5 years in the country and becoming a British citizen is not fine. Not born here, don't have English parents but being 'raised' here for some period of time is also fine. Don't get it personally.

 

It's international football, country v country. No-one who isn't eligible should be anywhere near a national set up. Don't mind the got a passport get a cap rules so much but I'd tighten the residency rules - makes a mockery unless you first moved over to wherever for non-footballing reasons.

 

E.g. Eduardo shouldn't play for Croatia but Shaqiri should play for Switzerland.

 

Disagree.  If you're a citizen of a country, why shouldn't you be able to represent them for a sport? Eduardo's more a Croatian than Hargreaves was an Englishman.

That's nonsense, piffle and bullshit all rolled up into a big bollocks sandwich. The blood in Owen Hargreaves is 100% British, Eduardo is Brazilian.

 

In your mind if a dog was born in or decided to live in a stable, he'd then become a horse.

 

So you disagree that if you're a citizen of a country, you should be able to represent them for a sporting reason?

 

Nationality is not a race or species do the dog comparison is stupid. I don't believe in 'British Blood'. With your logic Raheem Sterling has 'Jamaican Blood', he was even born there. Shouldn't he be playing for Jamaica?

 

To me there's plenty of ways you can become a national of a country. Being naturalised is just as valid as heritage of an individual who has never lived in the country of his heritage.

 

I don't view nationality is this finite thing.