Deuce Posted July 21, 2014 Share Posted July 21, 2014 Biggest problem is young English players don't play enough in the PL, CL and now in the national team. Forget Germany & Spain, we won't even get to the level we where at in the 90's / 00's. Daniel Sturridge is 24 - only had 1 full season of first team action and has just the 15 caps. I don't think he's significantly less talented than a Muller. But his opportunities have been far less. It would help if more English players explored opportunities in other leagues. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ste Posted July 21, 2014 Share Posted July 21, 2014 He's been a decent captain for England, and he's had a good international career. Lot of respect for him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted July 21, 2014 Share Posted July 21, 2014 Biggest problem is young English players don't play enough in the PL, CL and now in the national team. Forget Germany & Spain, we won't even get to the level we where at in the 90's / 00's. Daniel Sturridge is 24 - only had 1 full season of first team action and has just the 15 caps. I don't think he's significantly less talented than a Muller. But his opportunities have been far less. It would help if more English players explored opportunities in other leagues. you need to play somewhere first. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
WarrenBartonCentrePartin Posted July 21, 2014 Share Posted July 21, 2014 Hopefully this paves the way for the prodigal son, Tom Cleverley, to lead us to triumphant glory in 2018. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ste Posted July 21, 2014 Share Posted July 21, 2014 Just heard Jamie Redknapp saying Gerrard is a better player than Scholes was. Siiiiigh. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cronky Posted July 21, 2014 Share Posted July 21, 2014 Gerrard has been a great player, and it's a shame that his international career has ended on a bad note. In terms of the future, I think we have three great young midfielders in Wilshere, Barkley and Oxlade-Chamberlain. Unfortunately, we don't have anyone to anchor them and protect the defence. Barry (who I'd have taken to Brazil) now looks out of the running. Henderson could possibly do a job but he doesn't really look like a holding player. Jack Cork has impressed me, but he doesn't seem to be rated by the manager. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Segun Oluwaniyi Posted July 21, 2014 Share Posted July 21, 2014 Biggest problem is young English players don't play enough in the PL, CL and now in the national team. Forget Germany & Spain, we won't even get to the level we where at in the 90's / 00's. Daniel Sturridge is 24 - only had 1 full season of first team action and has just the 15 caps. I don't think he's significantly less talented than a Muller. But his opportunities have been far less. I don't entirely disagree with your point, but Sturridge has had more than one season in the first team. He had a half season with Bolton when he was the main striker, was an important part of Chelsea's squad the year they won the CL, and walked into Liverpool's first team after being injured for most of the early season (at Chelsea). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pilko Posted July 21, 2014 Share Posted July 21, 2014 Barry (who I'd have taken to Brazil) Not this again. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
toontownman Posted July 21, 2014 Share Posted July 21, 2014 Cometh the hour, cometh "Wor Jack" - Quoted for Interpolic. Gerrard has been a fantastic servant to Liverpool and the national team. Credit due. Good time to move on and retire to preserve what time he has left with Liverpool though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
toontownman Posted July 21, 2014 Share Posted July 21, 2014 Biggest problem is young English players don't play enough in the PL, CL and now in the national team. Forget Germany & Spain, we won't even get to the level we where at in the 90's / 00's. Daniel Sturridge is 24 - only had 1 full season of first team action and has just the 15 caps. I don't think he's significantly less talented than a Muller. But his opportunities have been far less. I don't entirely disagree with your point, but Sturridge has had more than one season in the first team. He had a half season with Bolton when he was the main striker, was an important part of Chelsea's squad the year they won the CL, and walked into Liverpool's first team after being injured for most of the early season (at Chelsea). How many English players take the plunge and move abroad though? Granted they have to be wanted first, but imo players and the National set up could benefit from it. Not taking away from the mess that is the premiership in terms of English players. It has to be fixed and should have been 10/15 years ago. Astonishes me how prices for British players can be so staggeringly high.. "well if they made it through with all the competition from foreign players, they have to be good". Half of them don't even play for their national sides, yet command fees three times higher than full nationals coming from other countries. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted July 22, 2014 Share Posted July 22, 2014 Biggest problem is young English players don't play enough in the PL, CL and now in the national team. Forget Germany & Spain, we won't even get to the level we where at in the 90's / 00's. Daniel Sturridge is 24 - only had 1 full season of first team action and has just the 15 caps. I don't think he's significantly less talented than a Muller. But his opportunities have been far less. I don't entirely disagree with your point, but Sturridge has had more than one season in the first team. He had a half season with Bolton when he was the main striker, was an important part of Chelsea's squad the year they won the CL, and walked into Liverpool's first team after being injured for most of the early season (at Chelsea). Half a season at Bolton. Half a season under AVB he was out the team when they got it together. Another half with Liverpool. He should have had 3 or 4 seasons of regular football. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tooj Posted July 22, 2014 Share Posted July 22, 2014 Gerrard has been a great player at club level. Stopped you there. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Howaythetoon Posted July 22, 2014 Share Posted July 22, 2014 Gerrard has been a great player at club level. Stopped you there. Indeed but just plain old average to good for England. Bobby Moore was a great player for England, KK, Lineker and even David Beckham. But not Gerrard. I've always thought Lampard has been a better player for the national side. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Posted July 22, 2014 Share Posted July 22, 2014 Biggest problem is young English players don't play enough in the PL, CL and now in the national team. Forget Germany & Spain, we won't even get to the level we where at in the 90's / 00's. Daniel Sturridge is 24 - only had 1 full season of first team action and has just the 15 caps. I don't think he's significantly less talented than a Muller. But his opportunities have been far less. I don't entirely disagree with your point, but Sturridge has had more than one season in the first team. He had a half season with Bolton when he was the main striker, was an important part of Chelsea's squad the year they won the CL, and walked into Liverpool's first team after being injured for most of the early season (at Chelsea). How many English players take the plunge and move abroad though? Granted they have to be wanted first, but imo players and the National set up could benefit from it. Not taking away from the mess that is the premiership in terms of English players. It has to be fixed and should have been 10/15 years ago. Astonishes me how prices for British players can be so staggeringly high.. "well if they made it through with all the competition from foreign players, they have to be good". Half of them don't even play for their national sides, yet command fees three times higher than full nationals coming from other countries. To you're average English footballer there is no incentive, unless you're a 'top, top' player you're pay elsewhere will always be inferior abroad (Russia, Turkey aside) hence why so many players at what I'd class as European stalwarts but in minor leagues jumping ship to play for middling/poor PL teams. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted July 22, 2014 Share Posted July 22, 2014 Gerrard has been a great player at club level. Stopped you there. Indeed but just plain old average to good for England. Bobby Moore was a great player for England, KK, Lineker and even David Beckham. But not Gerrard. I've always thought Lampard has been a better player for the national side. Yeah. I think Lampard's slightly more static playing style has always been a bit better suited to international football. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Howaythetoon Posted July 22, 2014 Share Posted July 22, 2014 You can earn more as a championship reserve than as a starting player in many a top flight European side and that's the biggest reason why 99% of English players do not go abroad, same with managers and coaches. Our entire game is driven by money and success and that's a big factor why we lag behind. Ironically we underachieve in terms of actual success. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest neesy111 Posted July 22, 2014 Share Posted July 22, 2014 You can earn more as a championship reserve than as a starting player in many a top flight European side and that's the biggest reason why 99% of English players do not go abroad, same with managers and coaches. Our entire game is driven by money and success and that's a big factor why we lag behind. Ironically we underachieve in terms of actual success. I can't see us ever winning a major tournament unless drastic changes are done to the whole game in this country. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Howaythetoon Posted July 22, 2014 Share Posted July 22, 2014 Gerrard has been a great player at club level. Stopped you there. Indeed but just plain old average to good for England. Bobby Moore was a great player for England, KK, Lineker and even David Beckham. But not Gerrard. I've always thought Lampard has been a better player for the national side. Yeah. I think Lampard's slightly more static playing style has always been a bit better suited to international football. That and he's technically a better footballer. Gerrard is your Jon Terry whereas Lampard is your Ferdinand at international level. Gerrard and Terry are better suited to club and Premier League football than international football whereas the other two can perform at any level because they are simply better footballers. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dinho lad Posted July 22, 2014 Share Posted July 22, 2014 Gerard of club level over scholes. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted July 22, 2014 Share Posted July 22, 2014 Dunno where this about Gerrard being good for England has come from recently. Traditionally he was a fucking shadow of the player. Maybe being captain has convinced some that he was always good, but that's utter nonsense. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Howaythetoon Posted July 22, 2014 Share Posted July 22, 2014 You can earn more as a championship reserve than as a starting player in many a top flight European side and that's the biggest reason why 99% of English players do not go abroad, same with managers and coaches. Our entire game is driven by money and success and that's a big factor why we lag behind. Ironically we underachieve in terms of actual success. I can't see us ever winning a major tournament unless drastic changes are done to the whole game in this country. It needs to happen right at the very bottom of grassroots football first and I'm talking kids' football. Watch how kids play football in other countries compared to how they play here and the attitude of coaches and parents and even fans compared to here, it's a whole different ball game almost. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted July 22, 2014 Share Posted July 22, 2014 You can earn more as a championship reserve than as a starting player in many a top flight European side and that's the biggest reason why 99% of English players do not go abroad, same with managers and coaches. Our entire game is driven by money and success and that's a big factor why we lag behind. Ironically we underachieve in terms of actual success. I just think it's the development of established talent that's all wrong. I've talked about implementing a B team system before. And yes, money contributes to the issues. As someone said not so long back. Sammy Ameobi, 22, achieved nowt in the game so far, looked out of his depth in the PL and CL, yet he posts pictures of himself driving a Range Rover and mincing about with large wads of cash. Where's the incentive for him to really knuckle down and struggle to get better? Of course, there are some players with massive talent and massive drive, but they're rare in most developed countries. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Howaythetoon Posted July 22, 2014 Share Posted July 22, 2014 Gerard of club level over scholes. Not for me, people forget that Scholes is a god few years older than Gerrard. Scholes hasn't quite had as much of a club impact as Gerrard has but then that's because he has played with equal players and in various great sides so it's harder to stand out. Gerrard has been his club's star man period, kind of like Shearer was to us for many years. As players though Scholes is a level or more above Gerrard in every aspect other than perhaps leadership and the drama. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted July 22, 2014 Share Posted July 22, 2014 If I had to sign one of them for 10 years of their peak it'd be Lampard. Scholes was the greatest of the 3 on his best day, though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Howaythetoon Posted July 22, 2014 Share Posted July 22, 2014 You can earn more as a championship reserve than as a starting player in many a top flight European side and that's the biggest reason why 99% of English players do not go abroad, same with managers and coaches. Our entire game is driven by money and success and that's a big factor why we lag behind. Ironically we underachieve in terms of actual success. I just think it's the development of established talent that's all wrong. I've talked about implementing a B team system before. And yes, money contributes to the issues. As someone said not so long back. Sammy Ameobi, 22, achieved nowt in the game so far, looked out of his depth in the PL and CL, yet he posts pictures of himself driving a Range Rover and mincing about with large wads of cash. Where's the incentive for him to really knuckle down and struggle to get better? Of course, there are some players with massive talent and massive drive, but they're rare in most developed countries. Young players today come from a relatively prosperous background in this country too, compare that to say equivalent youngsters from Africa, Eastern Europe and many South American Nations. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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