ponsaelius Posted May 28, 2012 Share Posted May 28, 2012 As with all England midfielders he's not good or comfortable enough on the ball to play midfield internationally. The though of him and Gerrard having to play alongside each other is frightening, both totally undisciplined. Absolutely this. Looks good there in the Prem sometimes because he's a good athlete. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tooj Posted May 28, 2012 Share Posted May 28, 2012 Is Cleverley any good btw? Saw quite a few people raving about him but whenever I've watched him he doesn't exactly look top class if you know what I mean. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incognito Posted May 28, 2012 Share Posted May 28, 2012 I always rated Barry as a centre half, fuck knows why he decided to become a midfielder and even more so of a fuck knows why he has dozens of caps there. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tooj Posted May 28, 2012 Share Posted May 28, 2012 I always rated Barry as a centre half, fuck knows why he decided to become a midfielder and even more so of a fuck knows why he has dozens of caps there. Remember when he was a left back? Christ. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ElDiablo Posted May 28, 2012 Share Posted May 28, 2012 Is Cleverley any good btw? Saw quite a few people raving about him but whenever I've watched him he doesn't exactly look top class if you know what I mean. Saw a lot of him live when he was at Watford and even then he was a class above everytime he played. He's very creative and chips in with his fair share. If he'd stayed fit this season he would've been in the squad imo. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tooj Posted May 28, 2012 Share Posted May 28, 2012 Is Cleverley any good btw? Saw quite a few people raving about him but whenever I've watched him he doesn't exactly look top class if you know what I mean. Saw a lot of him live when he was at Watford and even then he was a class above everytime he played. He's very creative and chips in with his fair share. If he'd stayed fit this season he would've been in the squad imo. Saw him at Watford and he looked a cut above then but when in the Premiership he hasn't looked a cut above if you like. Just wanted to know if I am missing something and if he's being hyped simply due to the lack of quality in his position. Also when I first saw Wilshere play he stood out immediately as did Chamberlain. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ponsaelius Posted May 28, 2012 Share Posted May 28, 2012 Barry played CB? I remember him as a LB at Villa. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incognito Posted May 28, 2012 Share Posted May 28, 2012 Barry played CB? I remember him as a LB at Villa. Yep. That's where he started at Villa...pretty sure Keegan picked him for England there TOO. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ponsaelius Posted May 28, 2012 Share Posted May 28, 2012 Long time ago like, played as left of a 3 according to Wiki. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incognito Posted May 28, 2012 Share Posted May 28, 2012 Long time ago like, played as left of a 3 according to Wiki. Aye it was, late 90's I'd say. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
chicago_shearer Posted May 28, 2012 Share Posted May 28, 2012 I always rated Barry as a centre half, f*** knows why he decided to become a midfielder and even more so of a f*** knows why he has dozens of caps there. Easily the worst player in that awful performance against Germany two years ago. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiresias Posted May 28, 2012 Share Posted May 28, 2012 Always hated Barry until this season at city when thought he actually had developed a reasonable range of passing, wasn't a terrible anchor man. Not world class but not the embarrassment Parker Milner Downing and Richardson are to put on the england shirt. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted May 28, 2012 Share Posted May 28, 2012 Parker doesn't half get some undue nonsense on here. Not a huge fan but he played well for us and has had a good season. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiresias Posted May 28, 2012 Share Posted May 28, 2012 Maybe being harsh, one of those players i can't decide on, maybe better than the other lot Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wormy Posted May 28, 2012 Share Posted May 28, 2012 Harsh as fuck to put him on a par with Downing and Richardson. And as far as an anchorman goes, I'd prefer Parker holding the defence ahead of Barry. Also harsh to an extent on Milner also. Not world class, and not a starter for England, but who would you stick in ahead of him? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ElDiablo Posted May 28, 2012 Share Posted May 28, 2012 Is Cleverley any good btw? Saw quite a few people raving about him but whenever I've watched him he doesn't exactly look top class if you know what I mean. Saw a lot of him live when he was at Watford and even then he was a class above everytime he played. He's very creative and chips in with his fair share. If he'd stayed fit this season he would've been in the squad imo. Saw him at Watford and he looked a cut above then but when in the Premiership he hasn't looked a cut above if you like. Just wanted to know if I am missing something and if he's being hyped simply due to the lack of quality in his position. Also when I first saw Wilshere play he stood out immediately as did Chamberlain. Yeah, was a bit disappointed he didn't shine a bit more at Wigan. He strikes me as having a good footballing brain though as he always seems to pick the right option which is rare, and tbf Fergie gave him a good run in the side before he was injured. He's one I'm really looking forward to seeing more of. He's not as good as Wilshere and doesn't have the pace of Ox which why he doesn't really stand out but he's potentially one to link everything together for England as his passing range is excellent. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted May 29, 2012 Share Posted May 29, 2012 Cleverly looked Wigan's best player when he was there I thought. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tooj Posted May 29, 2012 Share Posted May 29, 2012 Cleverly looked Wigan's best player when he was there I thought. Better than N'Zogbia? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted May 29, 2012 Share Posted May 29, 2012 Cleverly looked Wigan's best player when he was there I thought. Better than N'Zogbia? Well, different, as good at his job as N'Zogbia was at his. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neil Posted May 29, 2012 Share Posted May 29, 2012 Been impressed with Cleverley when I've seen him. Not spectacularly outstanding, but put it this way, I'd prefer to see him being given a chance in England games than Barry. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cronky Posted May 29, 2012 Share Posted May 29, 2012 There's a legitimate debate between Parker and Barry for that anchor role in midfield, but it's ridiculous to say that Barry is crap. He can't have somehow managed to completely fool the likes of Mancini, Capello and now Hodgson into a place in the best club side in the Premiership and the international team. He must have something. Parker has the energy and does a great job in protecting the back four. Barry's distribution and vision is better and if we're looking to try and feed in players who operate between the midfield and the strikers (which we struggled to do against Norway), then Barry is the better bet. Personally, I'd have gone for Barry because a player in that position sees a lot of the ball, and I'd prefer to see someone there who's better at getting the ball forward quickly and creatively. Parker will do a decent job, but my worry is that he'll get found out at a certain level. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ishmael Posted May 29, 2012 Share Posted May 29, 2012 1 JOE HART 2 GLEN JOHNSON 3 ASHLEY COLE 4 STEVEN GERRARD 5 GARY CAHILL 6 JOHN TERRY 7 THEO WALCOTT 8 FRANK LAMPARD 9 ANDY CARROLL 10 WAYNE ROONEY 11 ASHLEY YOUNG 12 LEIGHTON BAINES 13 ROBERT GREEN 14 PHIL JONES 15 JOLEON LESCOTT 16 JAMES MILNER 17 SCOTT PARKER 18 PHIL JAGIELKA 19 STEWART DOWNING 20 ALEX OXLADE CHAMBERLAIN 21 JERMAIN DEFOE 22 DANNY WELBECK 23 JACK BUTLAND Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdckelly Posted May 29, 2012 Share Posted May 29, 2012 There's a legitimate debate between Parker and Barry for that anchor role in midfield, but it's ridiculous to say that Barry is crap. He can't have somehow managed to completely fool the likes of Mancini, Capello and now Hodgson into a place in the best club side in the Premiership and the international team. He must have something. Parker has the energy and does a great job in protecting the back four. Barry's distribution and vision is better and if we're looking to try and feed in players who operate between the midfield and the strikers (which we struggled to do against Norway), then Barry is the better bet. Personally, I'd have gone for Barry because a player in that position sees a lot of the ball, and I'd prefer to see someone there who's better at getting the ball forward quickly and creatively. Parker will do a decent job, but my worry is that he'll get found out at a certain level. thats the thing, I don't see Barry as an anchor for midfield, he's better at keeping possession and passing the ball than purely winning and if England are going to go for 1 up front with Young or Gerrard behind then having Parker as the destroyer and Carrick as the passer both sitting deep could have worked well Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
STM Posted May 29, 2012 Share Posted May 29, 2012 Although i disagree with Hodgsons squad. If i had to pick a team out of that lot i would go with: Hart Johnson Cahill Terry Cole Lampard Parker Gerrard Rooney Young Carroll Christ what a crock of shit to choose from. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Revolution Posted May 29, 2012 Share Posted May 29, 2012 Although i disagree with Hodgsons squad. If i had to pick a team out of that lot i would go with: Hart Johnson Cahill Terry Cole Lampard Parker Gerrard Rooney Young Carroll Christ what a crock of shit to choose from. Yep me too except with Lescott in for Cahill. I think unfortunately Gerrard will play with Parker deep, Lampard will be off Rooney with Walcott and Young out wide though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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