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Although i disagree with Hodgsons squad. If i had to pick a team out of that lot i would go with:

 

                              Hart

 

Johnson      Cahill        Terry        Cole

 

                Lampard      Parker

               

Gerrard              Rooney              Young

 

                          Carroll

 

Christ what a crock of shit to choose from.

 

 

Swap Gerrard for Ox/Walcott and I agree. Without Rooney I'd probably swap for Gerrard/Welbeck.

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                              Hart

 

Johnson      Cahill        Terry        Cole

 

                Lampard      Parker

             

Ox                      Rooney              Young

 

                          Welbeck

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Is Cleverley any good btw? Saw quite a few people raving about him but whenever I've watched him he doesn't exactly look top class if you know what I mean.

Not convinced. Don't think he is anywhere near as good as he is made out to be. Next season will be make or break with him at Manure.

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Is Cleverley any good btw? Saw quite a few people raving about him but whenever I've watched him he doesn't exactly look top class if you know what I mean.

Not convinced. Don't think he is anywhere near as good as he is made out to be. Next season will be make or break with him at Manure.

 

He was injured over half the season :lol: Looked a real class act when played, especially at the start of the season. With that form he had then he would had been in the squad.

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Is Cleverley any good btw? Saw quite a few people raving about him but whenever I've watched him he doesn't exactly look top class if you know what I mean.

Not convinced. Don't think he is anywhere near as good as he is made out to be. Next season will be make or break with him at Manure.

 

I'm in the yet to be fully convinced brigade too. Looked alreet but I remain to be fully convinced.

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There's a legitimate debate between Parker and Barry for that anchor role in midfield, but it's ridiculous to say that Barry is crap. He can't have somehow managed to completely fool the likes of Mancini, Capello and now Hodgson into a place in the best club side in the Premiership and the international team. He must have something.

 

Parker has the energy and does a great job in protecting the back four. Barry's distribution and vision is better and if we're looking to try and feed in players who operate between the midfield and the strikers (which we struggled to do against Norway), then Barry is the better bet. Personally, I'd have gone for Barry because a player in that position sees a lot of the ball, and I'd prefer to see someone there who's better at getting the ball forward quickly and creatively.

 

Parker will do a decent job, but my worry is that he'll get found out at a certain level.

thats the thing, I don't see Barry as an anchor for midfield, he's better at keeping possession and passing the ball than purely winning and if England are going to go for 1 up front with Young or Gerrard behind then having Parker as the destroyer and Carrick as the passer both sitting deep could have worked well

 

The issue is do you really need a Rotweiler in that position? Fine if you have someone whose tackling and distribution are equally good, but as it is, you have to make a choice.

 

I'd question the value of an anchor midfielder whose function is purely defensive, at that level anyway. You may win a lot of ball, but keeping it and using it will be more of a challenge. In the modern game, players are having to switch positions and improvise in order to open up defences and you need players who can be flexible and adapt to different situations.

 

Maybe Parker has got enough in his game for this not to be a worry, but I've seen too many England sides with these busy little midfielders ending up looking impotent when the competition reaches the later stages.

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Ox yes, Walcott no.

 

Why? i genuinely get the feeling that Walcott is very underrated in this country he has probably been one of Arsenal's better players this season and has created RVP's goals this season and scored a fair share of his own.

 

He actually has more assists and goals than practically every top wide player in the league.

 

Where as Ox while he has talent has proved very little so far and majority of the games he plays in tries too much and decision making is not up to par and i dont feel he's mentally ready for this level yet.

 

I would actually consider using the both of them considering the options but think i prefer Walcott to Ox atm who might not have the overall game that Ox has is definitely more effective and has better decision making and mentally mature ( obviously) than Ox.

 

Do expect this to be a very controversial opinion though.

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He's a great player occaisionally. If he turns up absolutely must be in the team, most the time will look dangerous occaisionally then fluff his lines.

 

Ox no idea really as hasn't played enough but seems to have range of passing to at least keep ball going. Personally though I'd stick Ox on left Walcot on right and young and carroll up front and be done with it.

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Walcott's main problem is that he's so inconsistent. That's what holding him back from being a really top player and that's also the reason why he's not rated so highly.

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whatever happens. Downing must not play! really disappointed he was picked ahead of adam johnson who i know doesn't play much for city but when he does he's always good for a goal or assist. None of which downing has contributed this year

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To me, Walcott just doesn't cut at International level as much as when he first burst onto the scene as a youngster.

 

I just don't rate him that much at this level. Think his decision making is poor and other than pace, he offers very little to general play for England.

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Is Cleverley any good btw? Saw quite a few people raving about him but whenever I've watched him he doesn't exactly look top class if you know what I mean.

Not convinced. Don't think he is anywhere near as good as he is made out to be. Next season will be make or break with him at Manure.

 

I'm in the yet to be fully convinced brigade too. Looked alreet but I remain to be fully convinced.

 

That's what I'm saying. Looked alright but I wouldn't exactly say he looked a class act, not compared to when I've seen Chamberlain and Wilshere anyway.

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Lescott had a brilliant season, should definitely be starting at the euros.

 

All true but like Ronaldo pointed out Cahill has a better partnership with Terry and Lescott plays the same position as Terry.

 

I would personally play Lescott and Cahill from the names but Terry will play and i think Hodgson will pick Cahill alongside him because of the fact they play together for Chelsea.

 

Dont think i agree with it but i reckon thats what he will do.

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