Parky Posted June 24, 2012 Share Posted June 24, 2012 I don't think the number of foreign players makes a heap of difference btw. The only thing it does is cover these players weaknesses every week and allow them to build up their reputations. If the players were being developed right they'd make it regardless of how many foreign players there are. There's so many foreigners in the league at the minute because the youngsters that are coming through aren't good enough, not the other way round. Untill there is a limit of 3 foreign players in a side (the EU has fucked that up anyway) this mire will continue. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parky Posted June 24, 2012 Share Posted June 24, 2012 Eng movement off the ball is essentially pub side stuff. No alternatives given to the man on the ball but a half hearted hoof forward mostly. Clearly evident on throw in's when everyone is just standing still just about. Then some clown half heartedly plods forward looking terrifyied he might have to deal with the ball. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicken Dancer Posted June 24, 2012 Share Posted June 24, 2012 Eng movement off the ball is essentially pub side stuff. No alternatives given to the man on the ball but a half hearted hoof forward mostly. A lot down to grass roots this. In Europe, I'm sure I've read that youngsters are kept on small sized pitches until 15/16. At 11 in this country youngsters are put on full sized pitches, this kind of encourages the hoof it mentality in my opinion. Obviously professional coaching when players are picked up by clubs has some kind of bearing, but kids are often told they are 'too small, too lightweight' etc. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fugazi Posted June 24, 2012 Share Posted June 24, 2012 I don't think the number of foreign players makes a heap of difference btw. The only thing it does is cover these players weaknesses every week and allow them to build up their reputations. If the players were being developed right they'd make it regardless of how many foreign players there are. There's so many foreigners in the league at the minute because the youngsters that are coming through aren't good enough, not the other way round. Untill there is a limit of 3 foreign players in a side (the EU has fucked that up anyway) this mire will continue. You really think that will benefit the league? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ponsaelius Posted June 24, 2012 Share Posted June 24, 2012 I don't think the number of foreign players makes a heap of difference btw. The only thing it does is cover these players weaknesses every week and allow them to build up their reputations. If the players were being developed right they'd make it regardless of how many foreign players there are. There's so many foreigners in the league at the minute because the youngsters that are coming through aren't good enough, not the other way round. Untill there is a limit of 3 foreign players in a side (the EU has fucked that up anyway) this mire will continue. Parky, is your thinking if that there is limitations then the clubs and FA will be forced to restructure at youth level? Because limiting the number of foreign players in the short term will just mean loads of rubbish players playing instead of ending up in the lower leagues like they would do. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted June 24, 2012 Share Posted June 24, 2012 I don't think the number of foreign players makes a heap of difference btw. The only thing it does is cover these players weaknesses every week and allow them to build up their reputations. If the players were being developed right they'd make it regardless of how many foreign players there are. There's so many foreigners in the league at the minute because the youngsters that are coming through aren't good enough, not the other way round. Untill there is a limit of 3 foreign players in a side (the EU has f***ed that up anyway) this mire will continue. You really think that will benefit the league? got to look at how germany changed after 2000 (it was 2000 wasn't it ?) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aphrodite Posted June 24, 2012 Share Posted June 24, 2012 Hope someone makes a compilation of Joe Hart's pre-penalty faces Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parky Posted June 24, 2012 Share Posted June 24, 2012 I don't think the number of foreign players makes a heap of difference btw. The only thing it does is cover these players weaknesses every week and allow them to build up their reputations. If the players were being developed right they'd make it regardless of how many foreign players there are. There's so many foreigners in the league at the minute because the youngsters that are coming through aren't good enough, not the other way round. Untill there is a limit of 3 foreign players in a side (the EU has fucked that up anyway) this mire will continue. You really think that will benefit the league? It's not about the league is it? It's about Eng players getting more games and taking more responsability. However it's dressed up there aren't enough Eng players coming through to make a difference (never mind quality one's). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JH Posted June 24, 2012 Share Posted June 24, 2012 Limiting each team to three foreign players will simply make English players more expensive, more overrated and reduce the standard of the league. If anything, it'd just make things worse for the England team. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest neesy111 Posted June 24, 2012 Share Posted June 24, 2012 I don't think the number of foreign players makes a heap of difference btw. The only thing it does is cover these players weaknesses every week and allow them to build up their reputations. If the players were being developed right they'd make it regardless of how many foreign players there are. There's so many foreigners in the league at the minute because the youngsters that are coming through aren't good enough, not the other way round. Untill there is a limit of 3 foreign players in a side (the EU has fucked that up anyway) this mire will continue. You really think that will benefit the league? The league and England are completely different! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewJerseyMag Posted June 24, 2012 Share Posted June 24, 2012 Yawn, all too familiar. I'm so over the national team, cant wait for our first game. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fugazi Posted June 24, 2012 Share Posted June 24, 2012 I don't think the number of foreign players makes a heap of difference btw. The only thing it does is cover these players weaknesses every week and allow them to build up their reputations. If the players were being developed right they'd make it regardless of how many foreign players there are. There's so many foreigners in the league at the minute because the youngsters that are coming through aren't good enough, not the other way round. Untill there is a limit of 3 foreign players in a side (the EU has fucked that up anyway) this mire will continue. You really think that will benefit the league? It's not about the league is it? It's about Eng players getting more games and taking more responsability. However it's dressed up there aren't enough Eng players coming through to make a difference (never mind quality one's). It will massively affect the league though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ElDiablo Posted June 24, 2012 Share Posted June 24, 2012 Eng movement off the ball is essentially pub side stuff. No alternatives given to the man on the ball but a half hearted hoof forward mostly. The two in the middle, Gerrard and Parker, were especially bad at this, they played within about the same 20 yards of the pitch for 90% of the game. Also yeah it's true Sewelly, but it's like pissing in the wind as it's been clear for the last 15 years an overhaul was needed, see no reason why a change will come now if it hasn't already come about. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ponsaelius Posted June 24, 2012 Share Posted June 24, 2012 I don't think the number of foreign players makes a heap of difference btw. The only thing it does is cover these players weaknesses every week and allow them to build up their reputations. If the players were being developed right they'd make it regardless of how many foreign players there are. There's so many foreigners in the league at the minute because the youngsters that are coming through aren't good enough, not the other way round. Untill there is a limit of 3 foreign players in a side (the EU has fucked that up anyway) this mire will continue. You really think that will benefit the league? It's not about the league is it? It's about Eng players getting more games and taking more responsability. However it's dressed up there aren't enough Eng players coming through to make a difference (never mind quality one's). The players making it into the teams and playing every week isn't going to help. They are still fundamentally not very good. Only changing the way they are coached and developed from the very start will help. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest neesy111 Posted June 24, 2012 Share Posted June 24, 2012 I don't think the number of foreign players makes a heap of difference btw. The only thing it does is cover these players weaknesses every week and allow them to build up their reputations. If the players were being developed right they'd make it regardless of how many foreign players there are. There's so many foreigners in the league at the minute because the youngsters that are coming through aren't good enough, not the other way round. Untill there is a limit of 3 foreign players in a side (the EU has f***ed that up anyway) this mire will continue. You really think that will benefit the league? got to look at how germany changed after 2000 (it was 2000 wasn't it ?) Aye it was. I remember when they changed their whole youth setup as they couldn't see any players coming through. Reeping the rewards now. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parky Posted June 24, 2012 Share Posted June 24, 2012 I don't think the number of foreign players makes a heap of difference btw. The only thing it does is cover these players weaknesses every week and allow them to build up their reputations. If the players were being developed right they'd make it regardless of how many foreign players there are. There's so many foreigners in the league at the minute because the youngsters that are coming through aren't good enough, not the other way round. Untill there is a limit of 3 foreign players in a side (the EU has fucked that up anyway) this mire will continue. Parky, is your thinking if that there is limitations then the clubs and FA will be forced to restructure at youth level? Because limiting the number of foreign players in the short term will just mean loads of rubbish players playing instead of ending up in the lower leagues like they would do. The recent imporovement of the German side had a lot to do with them being less reliant in the Bundesliga on important foreign players (there is research on it somewhere)... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parky Posted June 24, 2012 Share Posted June 24, 2012 I don't think the number of foreign players makes a heap of difference btw. The only thing it does is cover these players weaknesses every week and allow them to build up their reputations. If the players were being developed right they'd make it regardless of how many foreign players there are. There's so many foreigners in the league at the minute because the youngsters that are coming through aren't good enough, not the other way round. Untill there is a limit of 3 foreign players in a side (the EU has f***ed that up anyway) this mire will continue. You really think that will benefit the league? got to look at how germany changed after 2000 (it was 2000 wasn't it ?) Aye it was. I remember when they changed their whole youth setup as they couldn't see any players coming through. Reeping the rewards now. Correct. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parky Posted June 24, 2012 Share Posted June 24, 2012 The PL is a spectacle that is to the detriment of the Eng setup. The game is too high paced and phsical that just doesn't translate into international football or help develop home grown players with the right skillset (top foreign players taking most of the key roles in club sides). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carlito Posted June 24, 2012 Share Posted June 24, 2012 I don't think the number of foreign players makes a heap of difference btw. The only thing it does is cover these players weaknesses every week and allow them to build up their reputations. If the players were being developed right they'd make it regardless of how many foreign players there are. There's so many foreigners in the league at the minute because the youngsters that are coming through aren't good enough, not the other way round. Untill there is a limit of 3 foreign players in a side (the EU has f***ed that up anyway) this mire will continue. You really think that will benefit the league? It's not about the league is it? It's about Eng players getting more games and taking more responsability. However it's dressed up there aren't enough Eng players coming through to make a difference (never mind quality one's). The players making it into the teams and playing every week isn't going to help. They are still fundamentally not very good. Only changing the way they are coached and developed from the very start will help. Yes the coaching and development needs to be changed, but they'd still need to be picked into the team when the time comes. Having 5 or so English players playing week after week would be better than them sitting on the bench week after week. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jayson Posted June 24, 2012 Share Posted June 24, 2012 The thing is for all our talk of technique etc we were outplaying them for a good 15 minute period with ease The fuck happened Whatever caused us to sit back for the rest of the game is the issue. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted June 24, 2012 Share Posted June 24, 2012 In all honesty, would we really want to sacrifice our league for the England national team? Fuck that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted June 24, 2012 Share Posted June 24, 2012 The thing is for all our talk of technique etc we were outplaying them for a good 15 minute period with ease The f*** happened Whatever caused us to sit back for the rest of the game is the issue. not the game i watched. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ponsaelius Posted June 24, 2012 Share Posted June 24, 2012 For me - if they're good enough they'll play. Look at Wilshere. What a fucking pisser btw that the one player we produce that seems made for international football ends up like he is at the moment. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parky Posted June 24, 2012 Share Posted June 24, 2012 I don't think the number of foreign players makes a heap of difference btw. The only thing it does is cover these players weaknesses every week and allow them to build up their reputations. If the players were being developed right they'd make it regardless of how many foreign players there are. There's so many foreigners in the league at the minute because the youngsters that are coming through aren't good enough, not the other way round. Untill there is a limit of 3 foreign players in a side (the EU has f***ed that up anyway) this mire will continue. You really think that will benefit the league? It's not about the league is it? It's about Eng players getting more games and taking more responsability. However it's dressed up there aren't enough Eng players coming through to make a difference (never mind quality one's). The players making it into the teams and playing every week isn't going to help. They are still fundamentally not very good. Only changing the way they are coached and developed from the very start will help. Yes the coaching and development needs to be changed, but they'd still need to be picked into the team when the time comes. Having 5 or so English players playing week after week would be better than them sitting on the bench week after week. Actually only the reluctance of Wenger to spend has meant Ox, Walcott and Wilshire getting games...If Gervinho has been all he was cracked up to be where would even Walcott and Ox be getting games?? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tooj Posted June 24, 2012 Share Posted June 24, 2012 In all honesty, would we really want to sacrifice our league for the England national team? Fuck that. The Bundesliga hasn't seemed to have suffered for it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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