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The College Dropout

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The answer is very simple imo. There's many players in the Championship that earn more money than a lot of players in top leagues around the world. There's average Premiership players earning more money than a lot of the 2nd and 3rd ranked teams in the CL. Simply too much money for mediocrity in English football. Then there's the like of Chelsea/City keeping talented British players on the bench to take advantage of HG rule.

 

If English players made up 70% of the PL, i'm not saying England would be world beaters but they would be much better.

 

How many English players were in the league between 1991 & 1995, where we failed to get out of a group and didn't even make a World Cup?

 

I'm talking about if that would happen today. We had a good team just before that period (90) and a good team right after that (96-06). After that there was a 10 year period where we produced some phenomenal players.

 

We are going to have an extended run of crapness. Believe me.

 

There's fundamental flaws in the British game. We know that. However, the state of the Premiership now means we have truly bottomed out.

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The answer is very simple imo. There's many players in the Championship that earn more money than a lot of players in top leagues around the world. There's average Premiership players earning more money than a lot of the 2nd and 3rd ranked teams in the CL. Simply too much money for mediocrity in English football. Then there's the like of Chelsea/City keeping talented British players on the bench to take advantage of HG rule.

 

If English players made up 70% of the PL, i'm not saying England would be world beaters but they would be much better.

 

How many English players were in the league between 1991 & 1995, where we failed to get out of a group and didn't even make a World Cup?

 

We had almost a decade of failure internationally in the 70's, its clearly not just about numbers(although some sort of incentive to play more English players would be nice)

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Like I said, there's fundamental errors but the problem has evolved and one of the bigger issues alongside our footballing culture is that our top division doesn't invest in young British players.

 

Spain's international problem wasn't exactly the same in 1970 as it was in 2000.

 

 

I personally think we have a long way to go before we will consistently finish in the QF's again, let alone any better. I have a sneaky feeling we won't make the WC or that we'll have a very tight play-off.

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SH*T coaching..

Three years ago an official report concluded that coaching is the "golden thread" leading to international success, but new Uefa data shows that there are only 2,769 English coaches holding Uefa's B, A and Pro badges, its top qualifications. Spain has produced 23,995, Italy 29,420, Germany 34,970 and France 17,588.

 

Full article..

http://www.theguardian.com/football/2010/jun/01/football-coach-shortage-england

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I hate the waythe national team interferes with my premiership viewing. 

 

Fa is run by elitest scum who are far removed from ave fans, and shouldnt be spoiling our enjoyment of the game.

 

(i have no interestinthe performance of england)

 

Tough shit mate, there's a thing called international football. Who says the Premier League is more important?

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Greg Dyke is talking a load of rubbish. Our lack of success has been a feature since England became seriously involved in competitive international football in the 1950s. It predates the Premiership by a long way, and is primarily down to the lack of technical ability in English players. At the very top level, we get found out.

 

If anything the gap in technique between ourselves and the rest has narrowed since the Premiership was formed, even though it's still there. And the current England team are better than the vast majority of England teams I've had to watch over the last 40 years.

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Football Association chairman Greg Dyke admits he does not expect England to win the World Cup in Brazil next year.

 

:yao:

 

:lol:

 

I love the use of the word "admits" as if he's had to sneakily reveal he has a concern deep down that we may not win it.

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Greg Dyke is talking a load of rubbish. Our lack of success has been a feature since England became seriously involved in competitive international football in the 1950s. It predates the Premiership by a long way, and is primarily down to the lack of technical ability in English players. At the very top level, we get found out.

 

If anything the gap in technique between ourselves and the rest has narrowed since the Premiership was formed, even though it's still there. And the current England team are better than the vast majority of England teams I've had to watch over the last 40 years.

 

The early Sir Bobby teams, say 82-84 when the old guard of Ron Greenwood had retired and Sir Bobby was floundering somewhat, which incidentally he did quite a lot of as England manager, we had some awful performances and one in particular against Russia in 84 when he selected Steve Hunt and John Gregory in midfield which I can never forget.

 

But even those days fade into insignificance to when Graham Taylor was selecting Geoff Thomas and Carlton fucking Palmer. That's the worst England times I can remember.

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Greg Dyke is talking a load of rubbish. Our lack of success has been a feature since England became seriously involved in competitive international football in the 1950s. It predates the Premiership by a long way, and is primarily down to the lack of technical ability in English players. At the very top level, we get found out.

 

If anything the gap in technique between ourselves and the rest has narrowed since the Premiership was formed, even though it's still there. And the current England team are better than the vast majority of England teams I've had to watch over the last 40 years.

 

The early Sir Bobby teams, say 82-84 when the old guard of Ron Greenwood had retired and Sir Bobby was floundering somewhat, which incidentally he did quite a lot of as England manager, we had some awful performances and one in particular against Russia in 84 when he selected Steve Hunt and John Gregory in midfield which I can never forget.

 

But even those days fade into insignificance to when Graham Taylor was selecting

 

Greg Dyke is talking a load of rubbish. Our lack of success has been a feature since England became seriously involved in competitive international football in the 1950s. It predates the Premiership by a long way, and is primarily down to the lack of technical ability in English players. At the very top level, we get found out.

 

If anything the gap in technique between ourselves and the rest has narrowed since the Premiership was formed, even though it's still there. And the current England team are better than the vast majority of England teams I've had to watch over the last 40 years.

 

The early Sir Bobby teams, say 82-84 when the old guard of Ron Greenwood had retired and Sir Bobby was floundering somewhat, which incidentally he did quite a lot of as England manager, we had some awful performances and one in particular against Russia in 84 when he selected Steve Hunt and John Gregory in midfield which I can never forget.

 

But even those days fade into insignificance to when Graham Taylor was selecting Geoff Thomas and Carlton f***ing Palmer. That's the worst England times I can remember.

and Carlton f***ing Palmer. That's the worst England times I can remember.

 

Bad times, for anyone not old enough to remember search for 'THAT Geoff Thomas Miss' on a popular web-site.

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Can't believe we are starting these two centre midfield when we are only playing Moldova at home. I’d understand playing a more experienced side away to Ukraine but if the young lads aren't giving the chance to shine, there is really not much point in bringing them into the squad if confidence to play them isn't given. I'm not even a massive cleverly fan but I’d still stick with him in hope rather than expectation.

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