Nobody Posted September 11, 2013 Share Posted September 11, 2013 As is the case with Messi and Barcelona & Argentina, what Lampard has done for Chelsea is far more important than what he has done in an England shirt. These days, what you do for your club week in, week out, and especially for as long as Lampard has done it for Chelsea, is so much more important than some shite qualifiers and some four week tournaments every other year, where injuries, inept managers, lack of form, fatigue from a long season etc play a huge role. It's not like Lampard could've swapped playing for England to a team where the manager knew how to use him correctly. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted September 11, 2013 Share Posted September 11, 2013 Sense. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incognito Posted September 11, 2013 Share Posted September 11, 2013 We are debating England as it is the England thread. And Lampard at best has been average for England. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest neesy111 Posted September 11, 2013 Share Posted September 11, 2013 We are debating England as it is the England thread. And Lampard at best has been average for England. Like the rest of the team. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaKa Posted September 11, 2013 Share Posted September 11, 2013 Goals from midfield are an invaluable commodity, and Lampard's ability to provide these is quite astonishing. However, a midfielder that can keep possession, dictate a game, and orchestrate attacking move after attacking move is absolute gold dust. For me personally, if I had to pick either to build a team around I would go with Pirlo. I do appreciate Lampard's brilliance though, but I can't help but feel he is ultimately more reliant on the kind of players around him, as well as the setup he is placed in. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrettNUFC Posted September 11, 2013 Share Posted September 11, 2013 We are debating England as it is the England thread. And Lampard at best has been average for England. What was Scholes for England? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted September 11, 2013 Share Posted September 11, 2013 We are debating England as it is the England thread. And Lampard at best has been average for England. What was Scholes for England? Misused and wasted. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrettNUFC Posted September 11, 2013 Share Posted September 11, 2013 We are debating England as it is the England thread. And Lampard at best has been average for England. What was Scholes for England? Misused and wasted. So surely he can't go down as one of the greatest then if we misused and wasted him regardless of his achievements at club level? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incognito Posted September 11, 2013 Share Posted September 11, 2013 We are debating England as it is the England thread. And Lampard at best has been average for England. What was Scholes for England? Excellent at France 98.And from then onward until he was shunted out left in 2004. Next. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incognito Posted September 11, 2013 Share Posted September 11, 2013 We are debating England as it is the England thread. And Lampard at best has been average for England. What was Scholes for England? Misused and wasted. He was only misused and wasted at Euro 2004. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaKa Posted September 11, 2013 Share Posted September 11, 2013 So if we are just looking at club careers for one moment. Are the Lampard supporters then saying Lampard is a better midfielder than Scholes? Due to him having more goals and assists? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted September 11, 2013 Share Posted September 11, 2013 We are debating England as it is the England thread. And Lampard at best has been average for England. We actually weren't, tbf. Nobody is hating on Lampard Nope. One of the best players of the PL era and one of the best England has ever produced. Not a soul here has hated on him. It appears that way now, but the original comment was that Lampard is one of the best players England has ever produced, which he is. In an England shirt he's been very average in major competitions, he's certainly not one of England's best in that respect, although that pool is still pretty small. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incognito Posted September 11, 2013 Share Posted September 11, 2013 We are debating England as it is the England thread. And Lampard at best has been average for England. We actually weren't, tbf. Nobody is hating on Lampard Nope. One of the best players of the PL era and one of the best England has ever produced. Not a soul here has hated on him. It appears that way now, but the original comment was that Lampard is one of the best players England has ever produced, which he is. In an England shirt he's been very average in major competitions, he's certainly not one of England's best in that respect, although that pool is still pretty small. He is a very good club player but one of the best this country has ever produced? Never in a million years for me. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrettNUFC Posted September 11, 2013 Share Posted September 11, 2013 Has England produced a better goal scoring midfielder than Lampard? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted September 11, 2013 Share Posted September 11, 2013 I don't think many countries have. A substantially better than 1-in-3 record over a decade long period in the Premiership is absurd from a dedicated midfielder. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Posted September 11, 2013 Share Posted September 11, 2013 Was Robert Flappy Hair Charlton not classed as a midfielder? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incognito Posted September 11, 2013 Share Posted September 11, 2013 Was Robert Flappy Hair Charlton not classed as a midfielder? Yep. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Village Idiot Posted September 11, 2013 Share Posted September 11, 2013 Has England produced a better goal scoring midfielder than Lampard? Hierro got 1 in 3 while playing as holding mid for Spain, Lampard's club record is better though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ponsaelius Posted September 11, 2013 Share Posted September 11, 2013 Platt scored nearly 1 in 2 for England. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incognito Posted September 11, 2013 Share Posted September 11, 2013 Lampard's goalscoring stats for Chelsea are amazing, but let us be honest, he buys more tickets to the raffle than anyone else. At international level you have to have more to your game than shooting from 30 yards every 5 minutes. Ok so that was an exaggeration of terms but the point stands . World class midfieders have to be able to take the game by the scruff of the neck and control the game. Pirlo does it at International level, and so did Gascoigne, Hoddle, Bryan Robson , Scholes and even Gerrard has at a very high level though obviously not for some time. Lampard never has for me.And certainly not for England. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ponsaelius Posted September 11, 2013 Share Posted September 11, 2013 Agree billy (although I never got to watch any of Hoddle, Gazza or Robson) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incognito Posted September 11, 2013 Share Posted September 11, 2013 Platt scored nearly 1 in 2 for England. He is the one I'd most compare Lampard with style wise, though Platt was a midfield penalty box predator. Phenomenal runs he used to make. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incognito Posted September 11, 2013 Share Posted September 11, 2013 Agree billy (although I never got to watch any of Hoddle, Gazza or Robson) If you ever get the chance to watch an old game with Hoddle playing, it's well worth it.Never saw a better distributor of the ball either long or short. Robson was different, he was mainly about engine and Gazza kind of combined the two .Proper greats. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beren Posted September 11, 2013 Share Posted September 11, 2013 Continuing Incognito's raffle-based theme, he also won the old Tombola playing for Chelsea in a team built for him and benefited from scoring penalties from fouls on Robben, Hazard, Ballack etc. Not the best English midfielder of his generation let alone ever. Good player in his prime though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Howaythetoon Posted September 11, 2013 Share Posted September 11, 2013 Lampard is or was better than Pirlo like. Sure Pirlo has been a top player but howay man, he can spray the ball around a bit and dictate play (Lampard isn't a bad passer either), but look at Lampard's goals and assists and his general play. He may not be a playmaker ala Pirlo but for Chelsea he has been the fulcrum of their side for over a decade now. He hasn't been great at international level of course but then he's been played left of midfield or alongside the inferior Gerrard far too often. His stats still look good though. Lampard is easily one of the best players we've produced in midfield period never mind the last decade or so. Having said all of that, they couldn't be more different as players mind... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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