The England Thread

[Deuce]

Right, even though I rarely agree with GC, I'm not having that.

 

Bollocks. Hodgson was our manager in 2010. 1 year after we came second in the league with 86 points  (point tally that would have won 7 titles since formation of Premier League in 1992) and were first in UEFA coefficient rankings. City weren't even a top 4 side then, and Spurs had just managed their first top 4 finish in god knows how long. The gap was minimal. It's so easy to re-write history.

 

And the previous season before Roy yous had finished 7th. My point is the others, City and Spurs, were on the up and up and yous were on the slide. Hence Benitez getting sacked and Roy being appointed.

 

It all went tits-up for Benitez because he—quite rightly—joined all the fans in coming out publicly and hard against the shitbag then-owners. Everyone knew it was curtains for him then, and no lame duck ever does well.

 

Hodgson replaced a CL winner, FA Cup winner, UEFA Cup winner and 2 times La Liga winner. It was an abject appointment because of his Fulham time. No one in English football even bothered with Hodgson when the entire of 2000 decade he was all over the place in the world, last managing Finland national team in 2007.

 

Who could you have appointed really of real high quality? Yous had no CL footy. I do agree that Roy was the wrong appointment for yous and after Benitez, no doubt a bit of a come down but there is no denying he wasn't given a chance by LFC fans from pretty much the get go.

 

That's beside the point. Even if we couldn't have attracted one of Europe's established top managers, that doesn't mean a complete muppet was the only other option.

 

And no. I don't want to compare ourselves with you. With no disrespect, It's always better to compare yourself with those better than you than ones below you. That's when you get to grow and improve. Despite our abjectness in the last  2 decades, we've still won 1 CL, 1 Uefa Cup, 3 FA cups, and 4 League Cups in our "misery days" since the 90s. It's in a completely different league than 95% of the teams in the football division in the same time period.

 

You have become a cup team pretty much like Spurs used to be. Rafa won some cups but failed to deliver the title despite spending huge sums of money. At the end of the day, he underachieved league wise and you could see, despite one very very good season where yous finished 2nd, the other seasons were not very good in terms of challenging for the title.

 

You're taking a very superficial view of things. In all-but-one of Rafa's seasons in charge, we were out of the running for the EPL by November (admittedly due to his early-season rotation leading to a slow start while the competition at the time was going gangbusters). From that point on, his focus was 100% on the CL. And it showed. We didn't have the depth in the squad of the top clubs, so our best players were rested in league games. Europe was a different matter. Number 4 in England, but top-ranked club in Euro competitions.

 

That's nowt to be sniffed at.

 

Benitez was sacked because he failed to get the team in Top 4. Hodgson replaced him to do better. Did he f*** ?! Not to mention he played some of the worst football I've ever seen from a Liverpool side, consistently bashed the fans and players and laid blame on anyone but himself.

 

Well, its hard to do better when after a few games the fans want you out. Dalglish didn't do much better league wise and I doubt Rodgers will get you into the top 4 too.

 

We wanted him out because he was clearly hell-bent on turning Liverpool into a distinctly mid-table side. Dalglish was up and down, not just down. His signings weren't great, but at least there were somewhat ambitious. Poulsen for Mascherano? Fucking hell.

 

And yea, I am glad that our "internet terrorist" fans acted against our shitty owners and hounded them out, or else we'd be in championship or league 1 now, after going into Administration pulling a Rangers with 400M debt. RBS was 2 days away from giving up on receiving payments and putting the club in administration when John Henry bought the club despite Hicks' claims (and the law suit that followed and was rejected).

 

Doing a Rangers As if yous would have went bust!

 

You're spot-on with that one. We were nowhere near going bust. The yanks' holding company was 2 days from going bust, at which point their only asset, Liverpool FC, would have been taken away from them and sold to pay their debt, not the club's.

 

As for the comments, (Solely speaking about football), a manager's mentality translates into his players. Rafa's first interview when becoming manager in 2004 was : "I have come here to win. I want to win a lot of matches, and make history in this football club." Sorry for having some ambition.

 

So...

 

LFC fans in general are spoiled, delusional heart bleeders. Yous still think your club is up there with the likes of Man Utd, Chelsea, Arsenal and now City when yous aren't. Yous are a cup team like Spurs used to be, big enough of course to challenge for the top 4 but no way title contenders. That's not so much your club's fault btw, that's the way footy is now because of the money. That's what I meant about yous now being a top 6 type club.

 

Weeell … the potential's there, profile-wise, but we're a long way financially and in footie terms from being able to compete.

 

Like I said we have as much chance of winning the title as yous, f***ing zero!

 

But I wouldn't be surprised if we bag number 6 before you unlucky fuckers finally snag some silver

 

I used to like Liverpool a lot as a club btw until they won the CL... they become bat s*** crazy as fans. Yous booed your team off after a 0-0 home draw that took yous top of the table FFS. The whole Suarez thing, f***ing RAWK.... just a horrible shitty club.

 

Give me Everton any day of the week.

 

With a brush that broad, you should be a painter and decorator.

 

no.

[NG32]

It's really frustrating how against the national team a few of the papers seem to be. Obviously if it is something serious, then it should be reported and dealt with correctly, but this was such a nothing story. I think they knew that as well.

 

They need to sell papers, fuck reality.

[wacko]

Right, even though I rarely agree with GC, I'm not having that.

 

Bollocks. Hodgson was our manager in 2010. 1 year after we came second in the league with 86 points  (point tally that would have won 7 titles since formation of Premier League in 1992) and were first in UEFA coefficient rankings. City weren't even a top 4 side then, and Spurs had just managed their first top 4 finish in god knows how long. The gap was minimal. It's so easy to re-write history.

 

And the previous season before Roy yous had finished 7th. My point is the others, City and Spurs, were on the up and up and yous were on the slide. Hence Benitez getting sacked and Roy being appointed.

 

It all went tits-up for Benitez because he—quite rightly—joined all the fans in coming out publicly and hard against the shitbag then-owners. Everyone knew it was curtains for him then, and no lame duck ever does well.

 

Hodgson replaced a CL winner, FA Cup winner, UEFA Cup winner and 2 times La Liga winner. It was an abject appointment because of his Fulham time. No one in English football even bothered with Hodgson when the entire of 2000 decade he was all over the place in the world, last managing Finland national team in 2007.

 

Who could you have appointed really of real high quality? Yous had no CL footy. I do agree that Roy was the wrong appointment for yous and after Benitez, no doubt a bit of a come down but there is no denying he wasn't given a chance by LFC fans from pretty much the get go.

 

That's beside the point. Even if we couldn't have attracted one of Europe's established top managers, that doesn't mean a complete muppet was the only other option.

 

And no. I don't want to compare ourselves with you. With no disrespect, It's always better to compare yourself with those better than you than ones below you. That's when you get to grow and improve. Despite our abjectness in the last  2 decades, we've still won 1 CL, 1 Uefa Cup, 3 FA cups, and 4 League Cups in our "misery days" since the 90s. It's in a completely different league than 95% of the teams in the football division in the same time period.

 

You have become a cup team pretty much like Spurs used to be. Rafa won some cups but failed to deliver the title despite spending huge sums of money. At the end of the day, he underachieved league wise and you could see, despite one very very good season where yous finished 2nd, the other seasons were not very good in terms of challenging for the title.

 

You're taking a very superficial view of things. In all-but-one of Rafa's seasons in charge, we were out of the running for the EPL by November (admittedly due to his early-season rotation leading to a slow start while the competition at the time was going gangbusters). From that point on, his focus was 100% on the CL. And it showed. We didn't have the depth in the squad of the top clubs, so our best players were rested in league games. Europe was a different matter. Number 4 in England, but top-ranked club in Euro competitions.

 

That's nowt to be sniffed at.

 

Benitez was sacked because he failed to get the team in Top 4. Hodgson replaced him to do better. Did he f*** ?! Not to mention he played some of the worst football I've ever seen from a Liverpool side, consistently bashed the fans and players and laid blame on anyone but himself.

 

Well, its hard to do better when after a few games the fans want you out. Dalglish didn't do much better league wise and I doubt Rodgers will get you into the top 4 too.

 

We wanted him out because he was clearly hell-bent on turning Liverpool into a distinctly mid-table side. Dalglish was up and down, not just down. His signings weren't great, but at least there were somewhat ambitious. Poulsen for Mascherano? Fucking hell.

 

And yea, I am glad that our "internet terrorist" fans acted against our shitty owners and hounded them out, or else we'd be in championship or league 1 now, after going into Administration pulling a Rangers with 400M debt. RBS was 2 days away from giving up on receiving payments and putting the club in administration when John Henry bought the club despite Hicks' claims (and the law suit that followed and was rejected).

 

Doing a Rangers As if yous would have went bust!

 

You're spot-on with that one. We were nowhere near going bust. The yanks' holding company was 2 days from going bust, at which point their only asset, Liverpool FC, would have been taken away from them and sold to pay their debt, not the club's.

 

As for the comments, (Solely speaking about football), a manager's mentality translates into his players. Rafa's first interview when becoming manager in 2004 was : "I have come here to win. I want to win a lot of matches, and make history in this football club." Sorry for having some ambition.

 

So...

 

LFC fans in general are spoiled, delusional heart bleeders. Yous still think your club is up there with the likes of Man Utd, Chelsea, Arsenal and now City when yous aren't. Yous are a cup team like Spurs used to be, big enough of course to challenge for the top 4 but no way title contenders. That's not so much your club's fault btw, that's the way footy is now because of the money. That's what I meant about yous now being a top 6 type club.

 

Weeell … the potential's there, profile-wise, but we're a long way financially and in footie terms from being able to compete.

 

Like I said we have as much chance of winning the title as yous, f***ing zero!

 

But I wouldn't be surprised if we bag number 6 before you unlucky fuckers finally snag some silver

 

I used to like Liverpool a lot as a club btw until they won the CL... they become bat s*** crazy as fans. Yous booed your team off after a 0-0 home draw that took yous top of the table FFS. The whole Suarez thing, f***ing RAWK.... just a horrible shitty club.

 

Give me Everton any day of the week.

 

With a brush that broad, you should be a painter and decorator.

 

no.

 

doch.

[Deuce]

[Trumpet]

 

 

Bollocks. Hodgson was our manager in 2010. 1 year after we came second in the league with 86 points  (point tally that would have won 7 titles since formation of Premier League in 1992) and were first in UEFA coefficient rankings. City weren't even a top 4 side then, and Spurs had just managed their first top 4 finish in god knows how long. The gap was minimal. It's so easy to re-write history.

 

And the previous season before Roy yous had finished 7th. My point is the others, City and Spurs, were on the up and up and yous were on the slide. Hence Benitez getting sacked and Roy being appointed.

 

And when Roy finished 7th, and we finished 2nd. When we finished 7th, Roy finished 12th. One season doesn't determine whether a club is on the up/down...we hadn't gone from runners up to a club on the down and set for misery in state of one season.

 

Hodgson replaced a CL winner, FA Cup winner, UEFA Cup winner and 2 times La Liga winner. It was an abject appointment because of his Fulham time. No one in English football even bothered with Hodgson when the entire of 2000 decade he was all over the place in the world, last managing Finland national team in 2007.

 

Who could you have appointed really of real high quality? Yous had no CL footy. I do agree that Roy was the wrong appointment for yous and after Benitez, no doubt a bit of a come down but there is no denying he wasn't given a chance by LFC fans from pretty much the get go.

 

According to Pellegrini, he was interviewed (and was interested) and was rejected by Purslow and Broughton in favour of Hodgson. The club needed some "Englishness" after years of being filled with dirty Spaniards 

 

And no. I don't want to compare ourselves with you. With no disrespect, It's always better to compare yourself with those better than you than ones below you. That's when you get to grow and improve. Despite our abjectness in the last  2 decades, we've still won 1 CL, 1 Uefa Cup, 3 FA cups, and 4 League Cups in our "misery days" since the 90s. It's in a completely different league than 95% of the teams in the football division in the same time period.

 

You have become a cup team pretty much like Spurs used to be. Rafa won some cups but failed to deliver the title despite spending huge sums of money. At the end of the day, he underachieved league wise and you could see, despite one very very good season where yous finished 2nd, the other seasons were not very good in terms of challenging for the title.

 

There are always 3 cup competitions and only one league to challenge for at the beginning of each season. So by odds, the chances of cup success is higher. Rafa arrived here the exact same time that Roman poured gallons of money at instance for Chelsea and Mourinho and Arsenal had their invincible team. After 2 years of building his team (During which he won the most prized competition in club football, and the FA Cup), we were always competitive in the league scoring high 70s and low 80s before the title challenging 08-09 season. Rafa actually had a very good transfer record up until the last 2 seasons of Keane/Aquilani deals. But which manager doesn't have disaster. Even the all time greats do. And yea, league is all good...but I wasn't so sad to see us reach another CL final and get wins at Bernabeu, Meazza, StamfordBridge, Old Trafford, Camp Nou etc.

 

Not to mention 08-09 wasn't just a title-challenging season, but our best league campaign since inception of PL in 1992.

 

Benitez was sacked because he failed to get the team in Top 4. Hodgson replaced him to do better. Did he f*** ?! Not to mention he played some of the worst football I've ever seen from a Liverpool side, consistently bashed the fans and players and laid blame on anyone but himself.

 

Well, its hard to do better when after a few games the fans want you out. Dalglish didn't do much better league wise and I doubt Rodgers will get you into the top 4 too.

 

Roy had great support initially (got a fantastic reception in is first home game vs. Arsenal) until he burnt his bridges with the fans with his Hicks-Gillette comments. Dalglish did very poorly in the league, but he won the club's first trophy in 6 years. Plus, he is a club legend, do you expect your fans to give Shearer abuse for not being able to save you a few years ago? Of course, there is a bias with club legends.

 

And yea, I am glad that our "internet terrorist" fans acted against our shitty owners and hounded them out, or else we'd be in championship or league 1 now, after going into Administration pulling a Rangers with 400M debt. RBS was 2 days away from giving up on receiving payments and putting the club in administration when John Henry bought the club despite Hicks' claims (and the law suit that followed and was rejected).

 

Doing a Rangers As if yous would have went bust!

 

We weren't going to go bust, but administration. Tom Hicks loaned further money to buy time and pay RBS debt (piling more debt to the club that's paying 40M pounds a year just in interest), but thankfully Henry and Broughton concluded the deal before hand. Zero sympathy for that scumbag, and I hope he has a miserable life and rots in hell.

 

As for the comments, (Solely speaking about football), a manager's mentality translates into his players. Rafa's first interview when becoming manager in 2004 was : "I have come here to win. I want to win a lot of matches, and make history in this football club." Sorry for having some ambition.

 

So...

 

LFC fans in general are spoiled, delusional heart bleeders. Yous still think your club is up there with the likes of Man Utd, Chelsea, Arsenal and now City when yous aren't. Yous are a cup team like Spurs used to be, big enough of course to challenge for the top 4 but no way title contenders. That's not so much your club's fault btw, that's the way footy is now because of the money. That's what I meant about yous now being a top 6 type club.

 

We are not title contenders. But we will never be title-contenders again in our history if we embrace the small-minded, self-defeatist mentality. Accepting mediocrity is the first step to becoming a permanent stay in mid-table (and hence staying mediocre)

 

Like I said we have as much chance of winning the title as yous, f***ing zero!

 

No. Realistically, you have zero chance. We probably have a 3-5% chance.

 

I used to like Liverpool a lot as a club btw until they won the CL... they become bat s*** crazy as fans. Yous booed your team off after a 0-0 home draw that took yous top of the table FFS. The whole Suarez thing, f***ing RAWK.... just a horrible shitty club.

 

Give me Everton any day of the week.

 

Every club has its awesome fans and its dickheads. The booing was disgraceful, but a lot of other fans of other clubs (horrible act) do it as well. Suarez thing was terribly handled by PR department. As for RAWK, the North Korean moderation aside, the average football knowledge of most members there is superb and the general football discussions are very well rounded and great. Just like any other forum, it has it's extreme knobheads.

[wacko]

You know I said I don't usually agree with GC? There you go.

 

Costanza: the club was never anywhere close to going bankrupt or into administration.

 

The company that owned the club (and literally nothing else) was on the brink of bankruptcy. It had borrowed tens of millions to buy LFC and tried to uses LFC's profits to pay the interest on the loans, but LFC wasn't making enough money to do so. So the bank foreclosed on the company that owned LFC, to take LFC as an asset to sell in order to pay the debts of its owner.

 

The club itself was never in any danger of going bankrupt or into administration. Even if the sale hadn't covered the parent company's debt, the difference would have remained the parent company's problem, not LFC's.

 

It's really not that complicated.

[Trumpet]

You know I said I don't usually agree with GC? There you go.

 

Costanza: the club was never anywhere close to going bankrupt or into administration.

 

The company that owned the club (and literally nothing else) was on the brink of bankruptcy. It had borrowed tens of millions to buy LFC and tried to uses LFC's profits to pay the interest on the loans, but LFC wasn't making enough money to do so. So the bank foreclosed on the company that owned LFC, to take LFC as an asset to sell in order to pay the debts of its owner.

 

The club itself was never in any danger of going bankrupt or into administration. Even if the sale hadn't covered the parent company's debt, the difference would have remained the parent company's problem, not LFC's.

 

It's really not that complicated.

 

Who would have ended up owning the club had FSG not bought the club then? Based on what you're saying, Bank would have taken us over and put the club publicly for sale for highest bidder ? Interesting.

 

I am certain I read Tom Hicks managed to gather the money to pay the bank on October 16th, which would have led to him resuming control over the club. (To be fair, that could possible be as bad as administration). I may be wrong, but that's the version I read. Can't believe it's been 3 years now.

[AyeDubbleYoo]

They were talking about this Hodgson thing on TalkSport tonight, somehow making a discussion out of it while admitting it was nothing. Switched off immediately.

[Guest Roger Kint]

They were talking about this Hodgson thing on TalkSport tonight, somehow making a discussion out of it while admitting it was nothing. Switched off immediately.

 

Someone rang in to say Roy 'may not be willing to select black or mixed race players in the WC to avoid further controversy'

 

Aye leaving Welbeck, Cole, Sturridge, Defoe, Townsend etc at home wont raise any alarm

[wacko]

You know I said I don't usually agree with GC? There you go.

 

Costanza: the club was never anywhere close to going bankrupt or into administration.

 

The company that owned the club (and literally nothing else) was on the brink of bankruptcy. It had borrowed tens of millions to buy LFC and tried to uses LFC's profits to pay the interest on the loans, but LFC wasn't making enough money to do so. So the bank foreclosed on the company that owned LFC, to take LFC as an asset to sell in order to pay the debts of its owner.

 

The club itself was never in any danger of going bankrupt or into administration. Even if the sale hadn't covered the parent company's debt, the difference would have remained the parent company's problem, not LFC's.

 

It's really not that complicated.

 

Who would have ended up owning the club had FSG not bought the club then? Based on what you're saying, Bank would have taken us over and put the club publicly for sale for highest bidder ? Interesting.

 

I am certain I read Tom Hicks managed to gather the money to pay the bank on October 16th, which would have led to him resuming control over the club. (To be fair, that could possible be as bad as administration). I may be wrong, but that's the version I read. Can't believe it's been 3 years now.

 

Hard to say what the bank would have done. They already had a deal in place with FSG, when they could have auctioned the club instead (or held an IPO), so they likely would have just sold it to the first-comer who offered the asking price.

 

No idea about whether Hicks had got the money together or not. I'm certainly glad he lost control of the club more than anything.

[The College Dropout]

I don't know what people are arguing about. Benitez was overall a very good L'pool manager. Dalglish is a legend and had a superb half season. Rodgers is building something the fans can support.

 

Hodgson was none of the above.

 

The end.

[Paully]

They were talking about this Hodgson thing on TalkSport tonight, somehow making a discussion out of it while admitting it was nothing. Switched off immediately.

 

 

What an utter joke!

 

 

Kick It Out campaigners demanded an investigation into Hodgson’s comments. Chairman Lord Herman Ouseley said: ‘That matter has been raised by the chair with the FA, who acknowledges the apology made by Roy Hodgson and now seeks an investigation to  ascertain the full facts and ensure a similar situation does not arise again.’

 

 

Society of Black Lawyers chairman Peter Herbert added: ‘We will be putting in a formal complaint and would like a transcript of what investigation took place.’

 

 

Race for Sport has sent a formal letter of complaint to Football Association chairman Greg Dyke over Roy Hodgson's 'feed the monkey' team talk during half-time of the World Cup qualifier against Poland.

 

Hodgson urged Chris Smalling to pass the ball to Andros Townsend as often as possible, making use of a joke originating from American space agency NASA during the period they sent monkeys into space.

 

Townsend confirmed on Thursday he had taken no offence at the comment, and said the story was not even newsworthy, but it has been reported one England player was shocked by the joke, believing it to have racial connotations.

 

The FA was quick support Hodgson and he expressed his anger over claims he had offended anyone, rejecting any suggestion of racism, but Race for Sport and Kick-It Out called for a full investigation after the story broke and RFS have taken their complaint further.

 

Their letter to Dyke read: "Race for Sport seeks to highlight the fundamental human right of those in football not to be subject to degrading or humiliating treatment. We are therefore compelled to challenge hate crime and racism in the United Kingdom and abroad.

 

"It is therefore right that we urge you to act upon the recent comments made by the England manager Roy Hodgson to players Andros Townsend and Chris Smalling. Your investigation should therefore not just be limited to the players in the dressing room at the material time but what offence it caused outside to our communities.

 

"To announce that the matter is "closed" without any action being taken against the England manager is unacceptable and wholly inconsistent with your policies on equality and diversity.

 

"For Mr Hodgson or anyone else to make an apology if they fail to understand why the words used were offensive or potentially so is not the response of an institution with the resources and profile of the FA.

 

"The willingness of those in football to close ranks and pretend that this was of little or no consequence is reflective of a failure to understand the damage that this type of comment causes whatever the so called "context".

 

"A proper investigation independent of those in the FA is now required to identify what actually occurred.

 

"RFS urges the FA to implement a mandatory 'race appreciation' training and 'cultural capital and cultural intelligence' training for Roy Hodgson and all managers in the Premier League, Championship.

 

"We respectfully request that you provide us with a formal response specific complaint within 14 days and further that you supply a copy of your policy and procedures for dealing with such complaints of racism to this compliant. We look forward to hearing from you."

 

[AyeDubbleYoo]

Appalling that. As I said the other day, these people do a valuable job for their members but this sort of thing does them no favours at all.

[Ronaldo]

Peter Herbert again. What an absolute wanker he is.

[Disco]

 

Society of Black Lawyers chairman Peter Herbert added: ‘Look at me, look at me. I'm media hungry twat who is desperate to be in the news.’

 

[AyeDubbleYoo]

Actually beggars belief that. The most frustrating thing is the damage they are doing to their own cause. Massive own goal, followed by running bollocks-first into the post.

 

Just gives people an easy way to say 'typical PC gone mad' and not take other allegations seriously in the future. Idiotic.

[NG32]

Like clockwork.

 

 

[Trumpet]

The notion "Black Lawyers Society" is absolutely ridiculous . Lawyers are lawyers, be it Saul Goodman, some dude from Angola, or someone from Mongolia.

 

Those do more harm to the racism campaign than good.....ganging up against an old white man.

 

Feel for Roy here, he's done nothing wrong.

[AyeDubbleYoo]

The notion "Black Lawyers Society" is absolutely ridiculous . Lawyers are lawyers, be it Saul Goodman, some dude from Angola, or someone from Mongolia.

 

Those do more harm to the racism campaign than good.....ganging up against an old white man.

 

Feel for Roy here, he's done nothing wrong.

 

I agree that in this case they are totally wrong and are doing themselves a lot of harm, but I don't agree that they shouldn't exist. Some professions are institutionally racist or, at least, the representation of certain sections of society is so low that a special interest group is justified.

[The College Dropout]

Aye, these old white men have had it hard at the FA.

[Ronaldo]

The notion "Black Lawyers Society" is absolutely ridiculous . Lawyers are lawyers, be it Saul Goodman, some dude from Angola, or someone from Mongolia.

 

Those do more harm to the racism campaign than good.....ganging up against an old white man.

 

Feel for Roy here, he's done nothing wrong.

 

I agree that in this case they are totally wrong and are doing themselves a lot of halm, but I don't agree that they shouldn't exist. Some professions are institutionally racist or, at least, the representation of certain sections of society is so low that a special interest group is justified.

 

Justified in order to accomplish what, promote segregation?

[AyeDubbleYoo]

The notion "Black Lawyers Society" is absolutely ridiculous . Lawyers are lawyers, be it Saul Goodman, some dude from Angola, or someone from Mongolia.

 

Those do more harm to the racism campaign than good.....ganging up against an old white man.

 

Feel for Roy here, he's done nothing wrong.

 

I agree that in this case they are totally wrong and are doing themselves a lot of halm, but I don't agree that they shouldn't exist. Some professions are institutionally racist or, at least, the representation of certain sections of society is so low that a special interest group is justified.

 

Justified in order to accomplish what, promote segregation?

 

Erm, no.

 

Promote the progression of a group who are otherwise marginalised, suffer from prejudice and have nobody to speak up for them.

 

For example, ethnic breakdown of UK judges in 2012... 94.9% white.

[alexf]

Peter Herbert is such an annoying media whore.

[AyeDubbleYoo]

Peter Herbert is such an annoying media whore.

 

This is also correct.

[Ronaldo]

The notion "Black Lawyers Society" is absolutely ridiculous . Lawyers are lawyers, be it Saul Goodman, some dude from Angola, or someone from Mongolia.

 

Those do more harm to the racism campaign than good.....ganging up against an old white man.

 

Feel for Roy here, he's done nothing wrong.

 

I agree that in this case they are totally wrong and are doing themselves a lot of halm, but I don't agree that they shouldn't exist. Some professions are institutionally racist or, at least, the representation of certain sections of society is so low that a special interest group is justified.

 

Justified in order to accomplish what, promote segregation?

 

Erm, no.

 

Promote the progression of a group who are otherwise marginalised, suffer from prejudice and have nobody to speak up for them.

 

For example, ethnic breakdown of UK judges in 2012... 94.9% white.

 

Oh, right, well in that case they're doing a fine job. Really making a contribution.