UV Posted August 2, 2011 Share Posted August 2, 2011 The fact that we are actively targeting this kind of player - who have either let their contracts run down, left on contract loopholes, or are known to play up and cause trouble if they don't get their own way - is just so staggeringly short-sighted. who are you counting here HBA? Ba? Cabaye? Gosling? Marveaux? other than HBA & Ba (harsh imo too) who else have we targetted that "play up and cause trouble"? a player leaving on a free doesn't automatically make him a cunt You've not read the Enrique thread then. Ben Arfa - no comment necessary Gosling - left on a free after assurances he'd sign a new contract Cabaye - a year left on his contract, utilised a release fee in his contract and announced to his manager he was moving to Newcastle just before their last game of the season Marveaux - ran contract down, as such wasn't played much last year Ba - left Hoffenheim after refusing to play N' Zogbia (if serious) - no comment necessary They wont all act up like Barton, but none of them are stickers, and they are all motivated enough either by money or ambition to leave their respective clubs in the lurch. There's nothing wrong with that per se, but when it's combined with the lack of ambition, and the lack of any kind of integrity from the senior management at the club, at the very best you can expect many more Enrique type situations in the future. It's no way to build a squad with any kind of stability, and will mean at best the club is constantly in a "rebuilding" phase. Of course that plays into the hands of an owner who isn't bothered about onfield success - just blame it on those greedy players for destabilising the club. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted August 2, 2011 Share Posted August 2, 2011 wasn't cabaye with lille since he was 13? as i understand Ba has only kicked up at one club, Hoffenheim as you say, and he had decent reasons from what i remember players exploit loopholes and let contracts expire all the time man, because we're collecting them like football stickers doesn't meant they're a set of cunts we go down i'd expect them to kick up...and the likes of cabaye just left a title winning team to come to this fucking circus, would you blame him if he was pissed off already? i wouldn't Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
UV Posted August 2, 2011 Share Posted August 2, 2011 I want to know who first used it. Probably an Ashley apologist in an "I'm not an Ashley apologist, but..." kind of post. It's certainly the way it's most commonly used now. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hughesy Posted August 2, 2011 Share Posted August 2, 2011 I want to know who first used it. Probably an Ashley apologist in an "I'm not an Ashley apologist, but..." kind of post. It's certainly the way it's most commonly used now. A sighting from 2009 - http://www.newcastle-online.org/nufcforum/index.php/topic,61980.0.html Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wallace Posted August 2, 2011 Share Posted August 2, 2011 The fact that we are actively targeting this kind of player - who have either let their contracts run down, left on contract loopholes, or are known to play up and cause trouble if they don't get their own way - is just so staggeringly short-sighted. who are you counting here HBA? Ba? Cabaye? Gosling? Marveaux? other than HBA & Ba (harsh imo too) who else have we targetted that "play up and cause trouble"? a player leaving on a free doesn't automatically make him a c*** You've not read the Enrique thread then. Ben Arfa - no comment necessary Gosling - left on a free after assurances he'd sign a new contract Cabaye - a year left on his contract, utilised a release fee in his contract and announced to his manager he was moving to Newcastle just before their last game of the season Marveaux - ran contract down, as such wasn't played much last year Ba - left Hoffenheim after refusing to play N' Zogbia (if serious) - no comment necessary They wont all act up like Barton, but none of them are stickers, and they are all motivated enough either by money or ambition to leave their respective clubs in the lurch. There's nothing wrong with that per se, but when it's combined with the lack of ambition, and the lack of any kind of integrity from the senior management at the club, at the very best you can expect many more Enrique type situations in the future. It's no way to build a squad with any kind of stability, and will mean at best the club is constantly in a "rebuilding" phase. Of course that plays into the hands of an owner who isn't bothered about onfield success - just blame it on those greedy players for destabilising the club. If this had happened at another club, we would have been one the first in the queue to sign Barton. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingkerouac Posted August 2, 2011 Share Posted August 2, 2011 I don't know what's more depressing - the future of this great club under Ashley, or the fact that there are people on this forum who believe the shite written in the low-life press (Sun. Mirror,Star, Express, Mail) and the low-life TV (Sky). We have lost a great team player, who has been a - granted - well-paid servant of this club. We have a manager with no balls. We have a owner and MD who know as much about football as any other dopey southerner. We are in shit. I give up... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
toon25 Posted August 2, 2011 Share Posted August 2, 2011 I don't know what's more depressing - the future of this great club under Ashley, or the fact that there are people on this forum who believe the shite written in the low-life press (Sun. Mirror,Star, Express, Mail) and the low-life TV (Sky). We have lost a great team player, who has been a - granted - well-paid servant of this club. We have a manager with no balls. We have a owner and MD who know as much about football as any other dopey southerner. We are in shit. I give up... I hope you're referring specifically to those southerners that are in fact dopey. Really can't abide the assumption that if you're not born north of the Watford gap you automatically know fuck all about football. Ridiculous. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Conjo Posted August 2, 2011 Share Posted August 2, 2011 Awesome! Really? Just embarrasing to watch. How anyone over 14 find that amusing is beyond me. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest cr4igora Posted August 2, 2011 Share Posted August 2, 2011 I don't know what's more depressing - the future of this great club under Ashley, or the fact that there are people on this forum who believe the s**** written in the low-life press (Sun. Mirror,Star, Express, Mail) and the low-life TV (Sky). We have lost a great team player, who has been a - granted - well-paid servant of this club. We have a manager with no balls. We have a owner and MD who know as much about football as any other dopey southerner. We are in s***. I give up... I hope you're referring specifically to those southerners that are in fact dopey. Really can't abide the assumption that if you're not born north of the Watford gap you automatically know f*** all about football. Ridiculous. Don't take it out on him! Simple people, simple views. Simples. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy Posted August 2, 2011 Share Posted August 2, 2011 I've never really understood the humour behind those xtranormal videos either. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bimpy474 Posted August 2, 2011 Share Posted August 2, 2011 I don't know what's more depressing - the future of this great club under Ashley, or the fact that there are people on this forum who believe the s**** written in the low-life press (Sun. Mirror,Star, Express, Mail) and the low-life TV (Sky). We have lost a great team player, who has been a - granted - well-paid servant of this club. We have a manager with no balls. We have a owner and MD who know as much about football as any other dopey southerner. We are in s***. I give up... I love this club more than my own family apparently, so they keep telling me anyway, and i'm not even a Geordie, infact i'm as southern as you get, but from the age of 4 i've had this club as the centre of my life, dramatic maybe but completely true. Ive spent more money following this club and than you could ever dream of, a mental amount infact. Like you i hate what Ashley is doing, but in this case i think the blame was with both of them to begin with but now its Joey who has made it into the s*** storm it has become. Was Keegan wrong when he suspended Joey was at Man.City, was Shearer wrong to make him train alone when Joey kicked off after his stupid challenge at Liverpool and slated Shearer in front of the team, there has to discipline at clubs, Barton may not like it but as is being proven he cannot behave himself, eventually the bad side of him comes out, when it comes out in some people it affects one relationship, like Cole and Sheringham at Man.Utd, they didn't speak but didn't let it go further, But with Joey it affects everything, everyone around him suffers. I know Joeys case is different but tbf at the start he had valid points but he has gone way too far, the poor little me act has shown to be utter crap now. This isn't about his contract, it isn't about loving this club, its isn't about wanting whats best for all of us, not anymore, its about him and his need to be centre of attention. Or am i as a southerner and everyone else who refuse to blame just Ashley being controlled ?. For the record I dont see myself as a southerner, just a person, partner and a dad, i dont see you as a northerner, i see you as a person, a special one at that because of who you support, that anti southerner attitute you have stinks and does you no justice. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
HawK Posted August 2, 2011 Share Posted August 2, 2011 Awesome! Really? Just embarrasing to watch. How anyone over 14 find that amusing is beyond me. It's the accents I think ;D The Llambias's wife comment Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Pedro_de_geordieo Posted August 2, 2011 Share Posted August 2, 2011 I don't know what's more depressing - the future of this great club under Ashley, or the fact that there are people on this forum who believe the s**** written in the low-life press (Sun. Mirror,Star, Express, Mail) and the low-life TV (Sky). We have lost a great team player, who has been a - granted - well-paid servant of this club. We have a manager with no balls. We have a owner and MD who know as much about football as any other dopey southerner. We are in s***. I give up... I love this club more than my own family apparently, so they keep telling me anyway, and i'm not even a Geordie, infact i'm as southern as you get, but from the age of 4 i've had this club as the centre of my life, dramatic maybe but completely true. Ive spent more money following this club and than you could ever dream of, a mental amount infact. Like you i hate what Ashley is doing, but in this case i think the blame was with both of them to begin with but now its Joey who has made it into the s*** storm it has become. Was Keegan wrong when he suspended Joey was at Man.City, was Shearer wrong to make him train alone when Joey kicked off after his stupid challenge at Liverpool and slated Shearer in front of the team, there has to discipline at clubs, Barton may not like it but as is being proven he cannot behave himself, eventually the bad side of him comes out, when it comes out in some people it affects one relationship, like Cole and Sheringham at Man.Utd, they didn't speak but didn't let it go further, But with Joey it affects everything, everyone around him suffers. I know Joeys case is different but tbf at the start he had valid points but he has gone way too far, the poor little me act has shown to be utter crap now. This isn't about his contract, it isn't about loving this club, its isn't about wanting whats best for all of us, not anymore, its about him and his need to be centre of attention. Or am i as a southerner and everyone else who refuse to blame just Ashley being controlled ?. For the record I dont see myself as a southerner, just a person, partner and a dad, i dont see you as a northerner, i see you as a person, a special one at that because of who you support, that anti southerner attitute you have stinks and does you no justice. Good post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Venkman Posted August 2, 2011 Share Posted August 2, 2011 I've never really understood the humour behind those xtranormal videos either. they're especially funny when applied to someone you know personally, i will say that for them Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
toon25 Posted August 2, 2011 Share Posted August 2, 2011 I don't know what's more depressing - the future of this great club under Ashley, or the fact that there are people on this forum who believe the s**** written in the low-life press (Sun. Mirror,Star, Express, Mail) and the low-life TV (Sky). We have lost a great team player, who has been a - granted - well-paid servant of this club. We have a manager with no balls. We have a owner and MD who know as much about football as any other dopey southerner. We are in s***. I give up... I love this club more than my own family apparently, so they keep telling me anyway, and i'm not even a Geordie, infact i'm as southern as you get, but from the age of 4 i've had this club as the centre of my life, dramatic maybe but completely true. Ive spent more money following this club and than you could ever dream of, a mental amount infact. Like you i hate what Ashley is doing, but in this case i think the blame was with both of them to begin with but now its Joey who has made it into the s*** storm it has become. Was Keegan wrong when he suspended Joey was at Man.City, was Shearer wrong to make him train alone when Joey kicked off after his stupid challenge at Liverpool and slated Shearer in front of the team, there has to discipline at clubs, Barton may not like it but as is being proven he cannot behave himself, eventually the bad side of him comes out, when it comes out in some people it affects one relationship, like Cole and Sheringham at Man.Utd, they didn't speak but didn't let it go further, But with Joey it affects everything, everyone around him suffers. I know Joeys case is different but tbf at the start he had valid points but he has gone way too far, the poor little me act has shown to be utter crap now. This isn't about his contract, it isn't about loving this club, its isn't about wanting whats best for all of us, not anymore, its about him and his need to be centre of attention. Or am i as a southerner and everyone else who refuse to blame just Ashley being controlled ?. For the record I dont see myself as a southerner, just a person, partner and a dad, i dont see you as a northerner, i see you as a person, a special one at that because of who you support, that anti southerner attitute you have stinks and does you no justice. Here, here. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bimpy474 Posted August 2, 2011 Share Posted August 2, 2011 I don't know what's more depressing - the future of this great club under Ashley, or the fact that there are people on this forum who believe the s**** written in the low-life press (Sun. Mirror,Star, Express, Mail) and the low-life TV (Sky). We have lost a great team player, who has been a - granted - well-paid servant of this club. We have a manager with no balls. We have a owner and MD who know as much about football as any other dopey southerner. We are in s***. I give up... I love this club more than my own family apparently, so they keep telling me anyway, and i'm not even a Geordie, infact i'm as southern as you get, but from the age of 4 i've had this club as the centre of my life, dramatic maybe but completely true. Ive spent more money following this club and than you could ever dream of, a mental amount infact. Like you i hate what Ashley is doing, but in this case i think the blame was with both of them to begin with but now its Joey who has made it into the s*** storm it has become. Was Keegan wrong when he suspended Joey was at Man.City, was Shearer wrong to make him train alone when Joey kicked off after his stupid challenge at Liverpool and slated Shearer in front of the team, there has to discipline at clubs, Barton may not like it but as is being proven he cannot behave himself, eventually the bad side of him comes out, when it comes out in some people it affects one relationship, like Cole and Sheringham at Man.Utd, they didn't speak but didn't let it go further, But with Joey it affects everything, everyone around him suffers. I know Joeys case is different but tbf at the start he had valid points but he has gone way too far, the poor little me act has shown to be utter crap now. This isn't about his contract, it isn't about loving this club, its isn't about wanting whats best for all of us, not anymore, its about him and his need to be centre of attention. Or am i as a southerner and everyone else who refuse to blame just Ashley being controlled ?. For the record I dont see myself as a southerner, just a person, partner and a dad, i dont see you as a northerner, i see you as a person, a special one at that because of who you support, that anti southerner attitute you have stinks and does you no justice. Good post Why thank you Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted August 2, 2011 Share Posted August 2, 2011 Yep, spot on there. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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TRon Posted August 2, 2011 Share Posted August 2, 2011 I don't know what's more depressing - the future of this great club under Ashley, or the fact that there are people on this forum who believe the s**** written in the low-life press (Sun. Mirror,Star, Express, Mail) and the low-life TV (Sky). We have lost a great team player, who has been a - granted - well-paid servant of this club. We have a manager with no balls. We have a owner and MD who know as much about football as any other dopey southerner. We are in s***. I give up... I love this club more than my own family apparently, so they keep telling me anyway, and i'm not even a Geordie, infact i'm as southern as you get, but from the age of 4 i've had this club as the centre of my life, dramatic maybe but completely true. Ive spent more money following this club and than you could ever dream of, a mental amount infact. Like you i hate what Ashley is doing, but in this case i think the blame was with both of them to begin with but now its Joey who has made it into the s*** storm it has become. Was Keegan wrong when he suspended Joey was at Man.City, was Shearer wrong to make him train alone when Joey kicked off after his stupid challenge at Liverpool and slated Shearer in front of the team, there has to discipline at clubs, Barton may not like it but as is being proven he cannot behave himself, eventually the bad side of him comes out, when it comes out in some people it affects one relationship, like Cole and Sheringham at Man.Utd, they didn't speak but didn't let it go further, But with Joey it affects everything, everyone around him suffers. I know Joeys case is different but tbf at the start he had valid points but he has gone way too far, the poor little me act has shown to be utter crap now. This isn't about his contract, it isn't about loving this club, its isn't about wanting whats best for all of us, not anymore, its about him and his need to be centre of attention. Or am i as a southerner and everyone else who refuse to blame just Ashley being controlled ?. For the record I dont see myself as a southerner, just a person, partner and a dad, i dont see you as a northerner, i see you as a person, a special one at that because of who you support, that anti southerner attitute you have stinks and does you no justice. I think people need to learn to look at each case on it's own merits. The problem with too many fans is that if Barton kicks off he is just another proof that Ashley is screwing the club - which he might well be, but footballers leaving isn't always the owners fault. Same goes for Enrique, Given, Carroll and the rest. In Barton's case he wanted his mates to be given new long term contracts and himself one too. When he didn't get it things turned sour, but if those guys were given new contracts and we didn't improve next season who would have got the blame? Ashley and Pardew, not Nolan and Barton with their cushy new contracts. Whether Ashley is willing to invest in suitable replacements is a separate issue and we'll see if that's the case in a months time. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Antec Posted August 2, 2011 Share Posted August 2, 2011 I don't know what's more depressing - the future of this great club under Ashley, or the fact that there are people on this forum who believe the shite written in the low-life press (Sun. Mirror,Star, Express, Mail) and the low-life TV (Sky). We have lost a great team player, who has been a - granted - well-paid servant of this club. We have a manager with no balls. We have a owner and MD who know as much about football as any other dopey southerner. We are in shit. I give up... Cracking post, nail on head Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Flash Posted August 2, 2011 Share Posted August 2, 2011 I don't know what's more depressing - the future of this great club under Ashley, or the fact that there are people on this forum who believe the s**** written in the low-life press (Sun. Mirror,Star, Express, Mail) and the low-life TV (Sky). We have lost a great team player, who has been a - granted - well-paid servant of this club. We have a manager with no balls. We have a owner and MD who know as much about football as any other dopey southerner. We are in s***. I give up... I love this club more than my own family apparently, so they keep telling me anyway, and i'm not even a Geordie, infact i'm as southern as you get, but from the age of 4 i've had this club as the centre of my life, dramatic maybe but completely true. Ive spent more money following this club and than you could ever dream of, a mental amount infact. Like you i hate what Ashley is doing, but in this case i think the blame was with both of them to begin with but now its Joey who has made it into the s*** storm it has become. Was Keegan wrong when he suspended Joey was at Man.City, was Shearer wrong to make him train alone when Joey kicked off after his stupid challenge at Liverpool and slated Shearer in front of the team, there has to discipline at clubs, Barton may not like it but as is being proven he cannot behave himself, eventually the bad side of him comes out, when it comes out in some people it affects one relationship, like Cole and Sheringham at Man.Utd, they didn't speak but didn't let it go further, But with Joey it affects everything, everyone around him suffers. I know Joeys case is different but tbf at the start he had valid points but he has gone way too far, the poor little me act has shown to be utter crap now. This isn't about his contract, it isn't about loving this club, its isn't about wanting whats best for all of us, not anymore, its about him and his need to be centre of attention. Or am i as a southerner and everyone else who refuse to blame just Ashley being controlled ?. For the record I dont see myself as a southerner, just a person, partner and a dad, i dont see you as a northerner, i see you as a person, a special one at that because of who you support, that anti southerner attitute you have stinks and does you no justice. Agree with all that. It's very convenient that Barton started all this AFTER he was told he wasn't getting the contract he wanted. He was happy to stay before all this so for me it's obvious where most of the blame lies. Toys, pram etc. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Pedro_de_geordieo Posted August 2, 2011 Share Posted August 2, 2011 Freddy wants us back http://www.talksport.co.uk/radio/richard-keys-and-andy-gray/blog/2011-08-02/freddy-shepherd-joey-barton-and-buying-back-newcastle Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foluwashola Posted August 2, 2011 Share Posted August 2, 2011 I don't know what's more depressing - the future of this great club under Ashley, or the fact that there are people on this forum who believe the s**** written in the low-life press (Sun. Mirror,Star, Express, Mail) and the low-life TV (Sky). We have lost a great team player, who has been a - granted - well-paid servant of this club. We have a manager with no balls. We have a owner and MD who know as much about football as any other dopey southerner. We are in s***. I give up... I love this club more than my own family apparently, so they keep telling me anyway, and i'm not even a Geordie, infact i'm as southern as you get, but from the age of 4 i've had this club as the centre of my life, dramatic maybe but completely true. Ive spent more money following this club and than you could ever dream of, a mental amount infact. Like you i hate what Ashley is doing, but in this case i think the blame was with both of them to begin with but now its Joey who has made it into the s*** storm it has become. Was Keegan wrong when he suspended Joey was at Man.City, was Shearer wrong to make him train alone when Joey kicked off after his stupid challenge at Liverpool and slated Shearer in front of the team, there has to discipline at clubs, Barton may not like it but as is being proven he cannot behave himself, eventually the bad side of him comes out, when it comes out in some people it affects one relationship, like Cole and Sheringham at Man.Utd, they didn't speak but didn't let it go further, But with Joey it affects everything, everyone around him suffers. I know Joeys case is different but tbf at the start he had valid points but he has gone way too far, the poor little me act has shown to be utter crap now. This isn't about his contract, it isn't about loving this club, its isn't about wanting whats best for all of us, not anymore, its about him and his need to be centre of attention. Or am i as a southerner and everyone else who refuse to blame just Ashley being controlled ?. For the record I dont see myself as a southerner, just a person, partner and a dad, i dont see you as a northerner, i see you as a person, a special one at that because of who you support, that anti southerner attitute you have stinks and does you no justice. I think people need to learn to look at each case on it's own merits. The problem with too many fans is that if Barton kicks off he is just another proof that Ashley is screwing the club - which he might well be, but footballers leaving isn't always the owners fault. Same goes for Enrique, Given, Carroll and the rest. In Barton's case he wanted his mates to be given new long term contracts and himself one too. When he didn't get it things turned sour, but if those guys were given new contracts and we didn't improve next season who would have got the blame? Ashley and Pardew, not Nolan and Barton with their cushy new contracts. Whether Ashley is willing to invest in suitable replacements is a separate issue and we'll see if that's the case in a months time. It's not a separate issue though, is it? Dare I say the reaction would be completely different if a suitable replacement was lined up (Barnetta, for instance). This, however, clearly isn't the case. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted August 2, 2011 Share Posted August 2, 2011 Freddy wants us back http://www.talksport.co.uk/radio/richard-keys-and-andy-gray/blog/2011-08-02/freddy-shepherd-joey-barton-and-buying-back-newcastle what's changed this time? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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