Anyone still want Shearer?

[Yorkie]

It's pointless Shearer going anywhere else, absolutely pointless. Say he took over Shrewsbury Town and got them promoted. Is he then all of a sudden proven to be good enough? No, that doesn't suggest he's ready to take us on. It has no long-term benefit for us. He's proven to be good enough for League 2, no more. The same applies if he took over a League 1 club, or a Championship club - and got them promoted. Him succeeding at a lower club will do nothing for us or him if he is going to come here eventually.

 

Look at Paul Ince for example... Blackburn appointed him cos his name was Paul Ince and he was famous. If an 'unknown' had got the Dons promoted, giving them a Premiership job would have rightfully been regarded as insanity. But it was Paul Ince so it was okay; soon got shown up though, didn't he.

 

The only place that would benefit Shearer, future Newcastle manager, if he's going elsewhere first, is a Premiership club - or possibly England. And that's not going to happen; no one will take such a punt. So he might aswell bang his fists against his chests and jump in at the deep end at Newcastle.

 

And if we're going to appoint him, appoint him now (or when the takeover is complete, ideally). The end of December would be an ideal time. The club is fresh, in a good position at the top of the league, and he's free to go in which ever direction he wants.

 

The only way of seeing if Alan Shearer is good enough for Newcastle United, is giving him the Newcastle United job. So give him it.

[Kimbo]

After he has proven himself in the lower leagues, yes.  We are not an experiment.  We need experienced (tactical) hands behind the wheel.

 

yeah indeed! you must also think Barcelona were right mugs for getting Josep Guardiola as boss! I mean they are no experiment either!

 

 

 

Even Guardiola had more expierence than Shearer.

 

please tell me about those experiences? which club? league? how many games?

 

I can tell you nothing that isn't on wiki, he managed Barca B for a season and got them promoted to the 3rd tier in Spain. Imagine Shearer managing in league 2.

 

So you want a manager that's at least taken a league two side up to league one.  Well let's check out who got promoted to league one last season! nailed on to be good as Guardiola. 

 

The point is we don't know if he is good or not and would rather he proved it elsewhere. It's all very well pointing out Guardiola, i could point out John Barnes. I don't see the point in gambling at this point.

 

So your a no to Shearer for no experience.  Ok, fair enough.  Who do you want as the next manager then that you think we can land?

 

From the available guys probably Strachan. The problem is Shearer will always be in the background, this obsession some have with him and Keegan really is ridiculous.

[Heron]

The sooner Shearer gets his stint and succeeds/fails and fucks off the better for the next man. Now is the perfect time for him to learn as well. I am quite pro-Shearer because I lvoe the bloke he's my child hood hero, I think he would do a reasonable job too. Him and Hughton could strike up something good.

[Robster]

This isnt meant to provoke another of "those" arguments but Kevin Keegan had never managed anywhere prior to taking charge of us.

[Yorkie]

What would be the fucking point in Gordon Strachan coming in, honestly?

 

I've said throughout the transfer window that we need players for the here and now, cos the immediate target is to get promoted. So if that means 'short term' players like Sol Campbell, for example, get them in - get promoted - and work on a Premiership squad once we've got there.

 

It works so, so differently from a managerial perspective. I'd say that, in the list of reasons for why we ultimately got relegated, manager-hopping after Bobby got sacked ranks fairly highly up there.

 

We need to get a manager with a view to them being long-term. The likes of Strachan would probably get us promoted but they're going to do sod all with us in the Premiership. I'd far rather take a punt on someone fresh like Shearer, who doesn't currently have a managerial style or a track record... who doesn't have certain 'achievements' on his CV. Someone new and with the willpower, determination and love for the club to do whatever the hell he wants with it. If Shearer got the backing from the fans and whatever ownership is in place, he's a far better candidate than another old-timer like Gordon Strachan.

 

The last thing we need is another 'givvuz a job' hasbeen/neverwas like Joe Kinnear.

[Kimbo]

This isnt meant to provoke another of "those" arguments but Kevin Keegan had never managed anywhere prior to taking charge of us.

 

Neither had Hughton, you may be onto something.

[Kimbo]

What would be the f***ing point in Gordon Strachan coming in, honestly?

 

I've said throughout the transfer window that we need players for the here and now, cos the immediate target is to get promoted. So if that means 'short term' players like Sol Campbell, for example, get them in - get promoted - and work on a Premiership squad once we've got there.

 

It works so, so differently from a managerial perspective. I'd say that, in the list of reasons for why we ultimately got relegated, manager-hopping after Bobby got sacked ranks fairly highly up there.

 

We need to get a manager with a view to them being long-term. The likes of Strachan would probably get us promoted but they're going to do sod all with us in the Premiership. I'd far rather take a punt on someone fresh like Shearer, who doesn't currently have a managerial style or a track record... who doesn't have certain 'achievements' on his CV. Someone new and with the willpower, determination and love for the club to do whatever the hell he wants with it. If Shearer got the backing from the fans and whatever ownership is in place, he's a far better candidate than another old-timer like Gordon Strachan.

 

The last thing we need is another 'givvuz a job' hasbeen/neverwas like Joe Kinnear.

 

So now you're comparing Strachan to Kinnear? Personally i would compare him to someone like Redknapp who only managed relegation battlers until he went to the Spuds, i think Strachan could do fine with us in the premiership, i see no reason why not.

[Robster]

This isnt meant to provoke another of "those" arguments but Kevin Keegan had never managed anywhere prior to taking charge of us.

Neither had Hughton, you may be onto something.

Difference is though that Hughton didnt actively choose to be in the hot seat therefore the drive and ambition to succeed is different. Any manager who lands in the "Caretaker" role should never take the job on full time.

[Dave]

It's pointless Shearer going anywhere else, absolutely pointless. Say he took over Shrewsbury Town and got them promoted. Is he then all of a sudden proven to be good enough? No, that doesn't suggest he's ready to take us on. It has no long-term benefit for us. He's proven to be good enough for League 2, no more. The same applies if he took over a League 1 club, or a Championship club - and got them promoted. Him succeeding at a lower club will do nothing for us or him if he is going to come here eventually.

 

Look at Paul Ince for example... Blackburn appointed him cos his name was Paul Ince and he was famous. If an 'unknown' had got the Dons promoted, giving them a Premiership job would have rightfully been regarded as insanity. But it was Paul Ince so it was okay; soon got shown up though, didn't he.

 

The only place that would benefit Shearer, future Newcastle manager, if he's going elsewhere first, is a Premiership club - or possibly England. And that's not going to happen; no one will take such a punt. So he might aswell bang his fists against his chests and jump in at the deep end at Newcastle.

 

And if we're going to appoint him, appoint him now (or when the takeover is complete, ideally). The end of December would be an ideal time. The club is fresh, in a good position at the top of the league, and he's free to go in which ever direction he wants.

 

The only way of seeing if Alan Shearer is good enough for Newcastle United, is giving him the Newcastle United job. So give him it.

 

Spot on.

[Yorkie]

What would be the f***ing point in Gordon Strachan coming in, honestly?

 

I've said throughout the transfer window that we need players for the here and now, cos the immediate target is to get promoted. So if that means 'short term' players like Sol Campbell, for example, get them in - get promoted - and work on a Premiership squad once we've got there.

 

It works so, so differently from a managerial perspective. I'd say that, in the list of reasons for why we ultimately got relegated, manager-hopping after Bobby got sacked ranks fairly highly up there.

 

We need to get a manager with a view to them being long-term. The likes of Strachan would probably get us promoted but they're going to do sod all with us in the Premiership. I'd far rather take a punt on someone fresh like Shearer, who doesn't currently have a managerial style or a track record... who doesn't have certain 'achievements' on his CV. Someone new and with the willpower, determination and love for the club to do whatever the hell he wants with it. If Shearer got the backing from the fans and whatever ownership is in place, he's a far better candidate than another old-timer like Gordon Strachan.

 

The last thing we need is another 'givvuz a job' hasbeen/neverwas like Joe Kinnear.

 

So now you're comparing Strachan to Kinnear? Personally i would compare him to someone like Redknapp who only managed relegation battlers until he went to the Spuds, i think Strachan could do fine with us in the premiership, i see no reason why not.

 

I wasn't comparing them, i was throwing them in the same boat. Neither have/had managed a club in the Premiership for several years, and achieved very little when they did do.

 

What's our long-term target, like? Obviously you can say we ought not to be thinking such things yet, cos we haven't been promoted, but let's assume we do - and there's a very fair chance of that. Is the goal to merely survive for a few years... and then what? I think - with the gash teams that are in the Premiership nowadays - there's no reason to suggest a club like us can't get back into the top ten in England within a couple of years of getting back into the Premiership. Sustaining that progress is another thing, obviously, but we need someone capable of getting us there.

 

Strachan's track record suggests he's hardly the type to get us on the cusp of fighting for Europe again one day. Both would be a punt (we're dealing with punts btw, cos i can't see us paying off anyone 'proven' to come here), but Shearer is the better one.

 

 

 

Redknapp is hardly a good comparison btw. The situation at Spurs is a tad different to ours.

[Kimbo]

Our target for the next few years is simply to get back in the permiership and stay there, and maybe at some point we will get some money and kick on. Saying Shearer is the better option is just a guess.

[Ronaldo]

Part of me is very, very pissed off that Shearer will get the job simply because the concensus wants him. It's embarassing tbh. Should Hughton continue to do well, then get demoted to accomodate Shearer, what the hell happens if form drops? Do we sack Shearer then appoint him in 5 years when he's polished his trade elsewhere? 

 

Give him the job when it isn't working, by all means, but beforehand would make no sense whatsoever. And I still think he'd play Nicky Butt

[1878]

Playing Devils Advocate, didn't Shearer have a worse record than Kinnear? Statistically that is.

 

You lads will know better than me whether performances were better under Shearer but he just had bad luck or whatever. Looking at it on paper though... not good.

 

If I was a fan I think I'd want him to stay away and not risk ending up tarnishing his legend. You seem to be going well with Hughton so why not stick with him? The stability of that alone could be good for the club.

[Ronaldo]

Part of me is very, very pissed off that Shearer will get the job simply because the concensus wants him. It's embarassing tbh. Should Hughton continue to do well, then get demoted to accomodate Shearer, what the hell happens if form drops? Do we sack Shearer then appoint him in 5 years when he's polished his trade elsewhere? 

 

Give the job when it isn't working, by all means, but beforehand would make no sense whatsoever. And I still think he'd play Nicky Butt

 

well, my answer will be same as yours if the question was about keeping Hughton (hey I got his name right first time ) and the team form dips? what then?

 

If it isn't working with Hughton then we look at others for the job, including Shearer

[Dave]

Playing Devils Advocate, didn't Shearer have a worse record than Kinnear? Statistically that is.

 

You lads will know better than me whether performances were better under Shearer but he just had bad luck or whatever. Looking at it on paper though... not good.

 

If I was a fan I think I'd want him to stay away and not risk ending up tarnishing his legend. You seem to be going well with Hughton so why not stick with him? The stability of that alone could be good for the club.

 

It was only eight games. If judgements are made from such a small amount of time then Hughton is probably better than Moyes.

[fredbob]

Feel very strongly about this, no, absolutely not, the club needs to move away from sentimentalilty and put on some reality glasses, the mere fact that people seem to draw solice from the fact that Keegan managed to acheive so much when he became manager for the first time as a form of retort to those who doubt Shearere says alot about the mentalilty of alot of fans.

 

If Shearer proves a major success at a number of clubs and turns out to be the real deal in the same sense that Mark Hughes seems to of done then id be more than happy to bring "God" hoime but until then id much rather we do something we've not done sice the appointment of SBR and appointed a manager on footballing merit and pedigeree alone.

 

If things go wrong then i wouldnt worry about the future of the club so much if we were sacking the likes of Coppell then i would if we were sacking Shearer, NUFC fans have a pedigree of spitting there dummies out.

 

Personally i think Curbsishley would be an astute appointment.

[Ronaldo]

Playing Devils Advocate, didn't Shearer have a worse record than Kinnear? Statistically that is.

 

You lads will know better than me whether performances were better under Shearer but he just had bad luck or whatever. Looking at it on paper though... not good.

 

If I was a fan I think I'd want him to stay away and not risk ending up tarnishing his legend. You seem to be going well with Hughton so why not stick with him? The stability of that alone could be good for the club.

 

It was only eight games. If judgements are made from such a small amount of time then Hughton is probably better than Moyes.

 

He certainly didn't do anything in that time to warrant replacing Hughton at this stage of the season

[ChezGiven]

Shearer wont come back unless Ashley sells some or all of the club. If that does happen, he will be the manager.

 

Ashley may have realised that if he appointed him full-time, he could never sack him. If Shearer also wanted to chuck his weight around, he wouldnt be able to argue with him, in case Shearer walks. I reckon that was Ashley's conclusion from their post-season meeting.

[Dinho lad]

Part of me is very, very pissed off that Shearer will get the job simply because the concensus wants him. It's embarassing tbh. Should Hughton continue to do well, then get demoted to accomodate Shearer, what the hell happens if form drops? Do we sack Shearer then appoint him in 5 years when he's polished his trade elsewhere? 

 

Give him the job when it isn't working, by all means, but beforehand would make no sense whatsoever. And I still think he'd play Nicky Butt

 

And I bet you also thought he'd never drop Owen..

[Ronaldo]

Part of me is very, very pissed off that Shearer will get the job simply because the concensus wants him. It's embarassing tbh. Should Hughton continue to do well, then get demoted to accomodate Shearer, what the hell happens if form drops? Do we sack Shearer then appoint him in 5 years when he's polished his trade elsewhere? 

 

Give him the job when it isn't working, by all means, but beforehand would make no sense whatsoever. And I still think he'd play Nicky Butt

 

And I bet you also thought he'd never drop Owen..

 

he benched him for one game (when fit)

[Tachikoma]

 

Strachan's track record suggests he's hardly the type to get us on the cusp of fighting for Europe again one day. Both would be a punt (we're dealing with punts btw, cos i can't see us paying off anyone 'proven' to come here), but Shearer is the better one.

 

 

How so? Strachan nearly got Southampton into Europe, while Shearer's done fuck all.

[themanupstairs]

 

Houghton ot spell Chris Hughton's name 

[Guest sicko2ndbest]

I agree with the consensus that the only way shearer will prove hi

self is by managing nufc. I think one of shearers strengths will be his choice of signings. He will be able to get the best we can get based on his name. He has good standing in the game so will have the required contacts to do good business.

 

Those saying we need to get away from this shearer thing are deluded. It will never happen while he hasn't been given a fair crack

[Guest iliketoonarmy]

I seriously love this guy, but I don't think it's harsh to call him a incompetent Geordie, at least at this stage.

 

All the club needs is a manager who has the ability not only leading the team, but also with the experience to bring the best out of a player. I would love to see Shearer being a manager in the club one day, but not now.

 

Remember we need promotion this year. If we fail then the longer it goes the harder we will get promotion. An extremely crucial year for us, and I don't think Shearer is the answer.

[Guest guinness_fiend]

I seriously love this guy, but I don't think it's harsh to call him a incompetent Geordie, at least at this stage.

 

All the club needs is a manager who has the ability not only leading the team, but also with the experience to bring the best out of a player. I would love to see Shearer being a manager in the club one day, but not now.

 

Remember we need promotion this year. If we fail then the longer it goes the harder we will get promotion. An extremely crucial year for us, and I don't think Shearer is the answer.

 

Agreed.