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  1. 1. Have you / do you intend to pledge to the 1892 Pledge scheme orchestrated by the NUST?

    • Yes
      59
    • No
      53


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14 minutes ago, Joey Linton said:

That totally misrepresents the situation - I've no intention of pledging if i then have to be a Trust member to have a say about my pledge. 

What type of say do you expect exactly? You’re pledging money that will go towards the purchase of a stake in the club.

You don’t donate to Barnardo’s and get to pick and choose which kids they help :lol:

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7 minutes ago, Joey Linton said:

I only asked a question ffs, which was is my understanding of the situation right, then I can make my own decision, as can everyone else.

I didn't say they weren't being transparent, did I? Show me where I did if so.

You were the one who turned it into what we're discussing now. 

Sounds like you're just defending them against stuff that no one has actually said here, like...... 

For the record I've absolutely no issue with partaking in the debate you and I are currently having. It was others who chipped in with comments about the nature of your posts. 

Anyway, I don't feel I'm providing an ott defence of the Trust, I'm saying that the grievances you're inferring aren't really rational. So you might want to pledge, but you have reservations about doing so because you 'won't have a say' about said pledge? If that's the case, my argument is: what even is there to have a say about? There's only one reason to pledge.

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Just now, Yorkie said:

£9067 according to the website. 

Alex Hurst just said on that live thingy, that the tracker on the website is a bit behind due to the way bank process different charges etc, where as they can see the money thats pending.

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2 minutes ago, Yorkie said:

For the record I've absolutely no issue with partaking in the debate you and I are currently having. It was others who chipped in with comments about the nature of your posts. 

Anyway, I don't feel I'm providing an ott defence of the Trust, I'm saying that the grievances you're inferring aren't really rational. So you might want to pledge, but you have reservations about doing so because you 'won't have a say' about said pledge? If that's the case, my argument is: what even is there to have a say about? There's only one reason to pledge.

That was part of the question really, if only members can have "a say" (or "a vote", which is what i've seen suggested today on social media), clearly there's something to have a say or a vote about, no? Wanting to understand what shouldn't be a problem. 

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13 minutes ago, Rosenrot said:

Man our fanbase is full of negative tw*ts.

If you don't want to donate, then don't. It isn't hard.

It’s not though, is it?

You’re on an internet forum, where people discuss their views on any given subject. People are able to share their opinion of this project, whether it’s positive or not.

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44 minutes ago, Joey Linton said:

I don't want to be a member of the Trust, simple as that. 

Well don't get involved (you or anyone), since this whole thing is about buying a stake as the trust. I feel like that's quite clear. If you want to buy a stake on your own, or in a different group, then have to get on sorting that yourself.

 

 

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4 minutes ago, Joey Linton said:

That was part of the question really, if only members can have "a say" (or "a vote", which is what i've seen suggested today on social media), clearly there's something to have a say or a vote about, no? Wanting to understand what shouldn't be a problem. 

If the Trust succeeds and ends up having a seat on the board and a practical role in club matters, then that's where your vote really comes into play, as far as I can interpret it. So, by pledging but not joining, you'd have helped to enable that dynamic, but wouldn't be able to contribute to steering the views expressed by the Trust in the boardroom. 

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12 minutes ago, Yorkie said:

If the Trust succeeds and ends up having a seat on the board and a practical role in club matters, then that's where your vote really comes into play, as far as I can interpret it. So, by pledging but not joining, you'd have helped to enable that dynamic, but wouldn't be able to contribute to steering the views expressed by the Trust in the boardroom. 

Cheers. At risk of subjecting myself to a second forum pile on for asking a question..... 

If "The Trust" or whatever own say 1% what sway does that really give them in decision making when someone else in the boardroom owns say 90%+?

Also if this 1% group has to refer it's vote on stuff to however many thousand members to decide what they think, how does that work? 

Not asking you specifically, more a general question? 

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6 minutes ago, Joey Linton said:

Cheers. At risk of subjecting myself to a second forum pile on for asking a question..... 

If "The Trust" or whatever own say 1% what sway does that really give them in decision making when someone else in the boardroom owns say 90%+?

Also if this 1% group has to refer it's vote on stuff to however many thousand members to decide what they think, how does that work? 

Not asking you specifically, more a general question? 

Reality is they will have no say and the idea that the NUST would relay every desicion to a vote by NUST members is both unworkable and laughable . They will expect that NUST board members will be making those desicions on fans behalf . Its more about raising the profile of NUST and aggrandisement of its board members 

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I think people would be more inclined to pledge if they knew they were going to get an area of jurisdiction come the day of the takeover. People would feel more involved if they could pledge their monthly pound knowing for instance that when the takeover occurs, they and a small group of their fellow trustees will have decision-making powers regarding the type of potatoes which might make the matchday chips.

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3 minutes ago, InspectorCoarse said:

Reality is they will have no say and the idea that the NUST would relay every desicion to a vote by NUST members is both unworkable and laughable . They will expect that NUST board members will be making those desicions on fans behalf . Its more about raising the profile of NUST and aggrandisement of its board members 

Good thing that won't be the plan then. :thup:

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1 hour ago, Scotty66 said:

So the possible new owners (PCP) haven't had any discussions about this despite what has been said online. 

 

I find that really strange. What if PCP do takeover but don’t want to go down that route. Coming straight in and getting a chunk of the fans heckles up for not wanting to sell a percentage seems an odd way to go and a bit of a gamble. Surely they were notified just in case.

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I’m still unsure on what the point is in buying 1% (or any nominal stake)?

The website doesn’t seem to answer this question either.

I could understand it as a future fund in the event the club fell through the divisions, it could act as security that we could jump in and purchase a controlling stake at any point. Although the figure needed here would be huge (£50m+) and theres every chance someone else would jump in and buy it first.

I don’t see any benefit in purchasing a tiny stake.

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18 minutes ago, Inferior Acuña said:

Good thing that won't be the plan then. :thup:

Do you know whether the prospective new owners have been made aware of the plans and reacted positively as has been reported by various outlets today, or not been contacted at all as Liam Kennedy suggests?

 

There's a significant difference between those two scenarios. 

 

 

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1 hour ago, Yorkie said:

£9067 according to the website. 

They said in the podcast that the website is a bit behind because it takes some banks longer to finalise the DD’s, where as they have access to the full figure which has been pledged which stands at over £21k.

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6 minutes ago, Joey Linton said:

Do you know whether the prospective new owners have been made aware of the plans and reacted positively as has been reported by various outlets today, or not been contacted at all as Liam Kennedy suggests?

 

There's a significant difference between those two scenarios. 

Just going off what I've seen in tweets and watching the video Greg and Alex Hurst just did,  seems like they've not been contacted - so not sure where reports to the contrary have come from.

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1 hour ago, Joey Linton said:

Because someone went off on a tangent when i asked a simple question rather than just confirm the answer to it........ 

If you feel that you've answered the questions suitably, you can then leave your answers there to be read and then take yourself out. If of course thats all you have to say on the matter. As you stated.

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This being a goer will depend on the funds being raised very quickly if deal goes through in next couple of months. Unless there are some very generous donations not sure how realistic that is. Also bear in mind the current value of the club is likely to increase dramatically once PIF get their feet under table and 3 million is unlikely to get you 1 per cent. This is very reliant on the good will of buyers to guarantee a purchase of 1% at an agreed price.

The way i see this playing out is the consortium offer NUST a seat on board without purchasing a stake, and they match the donation to local charities. That way everyone’s a winner and it’s good PR for new owners.

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7 minutes ago, Super Duper Branko Strupar said:

If you feel that you've answered the questions suitably, you can then leave your answers there to be read and then take yourself out. If of course thats all you have to say on the matter. As you stated.

Eh? I asked the question, that's the point, in the hope of getting an answer to it. Assuming that means you've not really read what I've posted, who's being deliberately difficult and awkward now? 

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