Doctor Zaius Posted April 9, 2021 Share Posted April 9, 2021 (edited) 29 minutes ago, reefatoon said: Just out of interest fella, what are your exact reasons for it being a good thing? If it did happen and there was some chance of a tiny say in certain matters and it went to a vote between members, it would end in carnage. You see what it is like in here, 10 people can’t agree on anything and it always ends up in a slagging match. Imagine that on a much bigger scale. The division between fans would be even bigger than it is now. I am trying, but I can’t seem to find a positive to it. Well on the whole, I think fan ownership whereby elected supporters, groups or trusts own part of a football club is the way it should be. I think its a good thing because I would back an elected group to supporters to make decisions in the best interests of the supporters and football club more than I would some random businessman. I dont think NUST would claim to speak for all fans, just their members but if in a hypothetical situation they did own, say 20% of the club and were influential enough to have a say in matters, they could have an elected board to make decisions on behalf of the trust members. They could put large decisions to ballots I guess too. There'd be plenty of slagging, politics and disagreements no doubt but I think democratic decision making would prevail. Its a million miles away obviously and I hope it never comes to that as it'll probably mean we'll have been relegated twice over but it would mean that in a round about way I could have my views represented and with the use of a vote I could have a say in the decision making process at board level, even if it is miniscule like it is when you pop your ballot in the box to vote for your local MP. Part fan/supporter group ownership the same reason I believe in parliamentary democracy (in theory) and trade unionism. Edited April 9, 2021 by Doctor Zaius Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joey Linton Posted April 9, 2021 Share Posted April 9, 2021 3 hours ago, CalmintheChaos said: Surely we could raise that in say 5 years then as we will have a far bigger fanbase than hearts. Or going off that surely we could 15m in 8 years time. if we are a championship club in 8 years time then 15m could be about 12% of the club They had £50m in pledges within a matter of weeks last time they did something similar. Wonder if they've still got the details of those people as obviously they'd be able to clear the £3m pretty quickly. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doctor Zaius Posted April 9, 2021 Share Posted April 9, 2021 Mind, I do think that if NUST were ever able to raise an amount needed to buy any percentage of the club, Mike Ashley would tell they to get to fuck out pure spite. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJ9 Posted April 9, 2021 Share Posted April 9, 2021 The chat from the Hearts lads on the launch event was inspirational. Finally feeling something for this club again. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Candi_Hills Posted April 9, 2021 Share Posted April 9, 2021 1 hour ago, reefatoon said: Just out of interest fella, what are your exact reasons for it being a good thing? If it did happen and there was some chance of a tiny say in certain matters and it went to a vote between members, it would end in carnage. You see what it is like in here, 10 people can’t agree on anything and it always ends up in a slagging match. Imagine that on a much bigger scale. The division between fans would be even bigger than it is now. I am trying, but I can’t seem to find a positive to it. Democracy has always been overrated. A benevolent dictator is what you need. Like Saddam Hussein or Vince McMahon. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Numbers Posted April 9, 2021 Share Posted April 9, 2021 43 minutes ago, Doctor Zaius said: Mind, I do think that if NUST were ever able to raise an amount needed to buy any percentage of the club, Mike Ashley would tell they to get to fuck out pure spite. Think you're missing the point, I think its aimed at new owners. Doubt anyone would give Mike Ashley any money for any percentage, he'd just take the money and not listen. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Candi_Hills Posted April 9, 2021 Share Posted April 9, 2021 4 minutes ago, Numbers said: Think you're missing the point, I think its aimed at new owners. Doubt anyone would give Mike Ashley any money for any percentage, he'd just take the money and not listen. It is my understanding that the NUST leaders are very willing to give their money to Mike Ashley. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
InspectorCoarse Posted April 9, 2021 Share Posted April 9, 2021 3 minutes ago, Candi_Hills said: It is my understanding that the NUST leaders are very willing to give their money to Mike Ashley. Alex Hurst can't wait Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Numbers Posted April 9, 2021 Share Posted April 9, 2021 3 minutes ago, Candi_Hills said: It is my understanding that the NUST leaders are very willing to give their money to Mike Ashley. Pretty sure you're wrong like. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fantail Breeze Posted April 9, 2021 Share Posted April 9, 2021 There’s still no sort of solid plan beyond “maybe buying a nominal share”. I get the insurance policy bit. But as I said, that’s still a massive long shot for many reasons. Even in League One, £50m is an astronomical figure to reach and then there would need to be ongoing funding afterwards. There would be plenty of people with a lot more money interested before it got to that point. It just feels like pissing in the wind. Although, when the money is split between charities at least it’ll go to some good use. Not surprised Alex is the key player behind this. He’ll be gagging to try and sit in the boardroom. Before anyone starts whinging on, I’ve pledged. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJ9 Posted April 9, 2021 Share Posted April 9, 2021 With any fan led initiative anywhere you will always get people that you don't like. Pretty sure the likes of Bartomeu isn't liked at Barca, but that's why there are democratic processes...well done for pledging! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Numbers Posted April 9, 2021 Share Posted April 9, 2021 20 minutes ago, Candi_Hills said: It is my understanding that the NUST leaders are very willing to give their money to Mike Ashley. Was just confirmed in the Q&A that you were wrong btw. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stifler Posted April 9, 2021 Share Posted April 9, 2021 55 minutes ago, Candi_Hills said: It is my understanding that the NUST leaders are very willing to give their money to Mike Ashley. Understand from what source? Just for the record the chair of NUST is a member on here and friends with many people on here and has said the exact opposite to them privately and in public. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
InspectorCoarse Posted April 9, 2021 Share Posted April 9, 2021 3 minutes ago, Stifler said: Understand from what source? Just for the record the chair of NUST is a member on here and friends with many people on here and has said the exact opposite to them privately and in public. I think Candi Hills meant Hurst wants to get back in the ground asap and give MA his season ticket money Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fantail Breeze Posted April 9, 2021 Share Posted April 9, 2021 Just now, InspectorCoarse said: I think Candi Hills meant Hurst wants to get back in the ground asap and give MA his season ticket money I thought that was fairly obvious. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Superior Acuña Posted April 9, 2021 Share Posted April 9, 2021 International payments are sorted now. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJ9 Posted April 9, 2021 Share Posted April 9, 2021 Shot up to £36000 on the counter now...wonder if it’s just catching up? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yorkie Posted April 9, 2021 Share Posted April 9, 2021 36 grand in a day and a half is incredible progress, like. This isn't meant to sound passive aggressive cos I respect the reasons why folks might not want to chip in, but it's pleasing that clearly a lot of folks can see how the zero risk gamble is one worth taking. And I mean, imagine it does go to charity, what an unbelievable contribution it's going to end up being. Football. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg Posted April 9, 2021 Share Posted April 9, 2021 4 hours ago, Joey Linton said: They had £50m in pledges within a matter of weeks last time they did something similar. Wonder if they've still got the details of those people as obviously they'd be able to clear the £3m pretty quickly. That is not true. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joey Linton Posted April 9, 2021 Share Posted April 9, 2021 (edited) 8 minutes ago, Greg said: That is not true. Got it from there https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/newcastle-fans-pledge-50million-buy-3366385 And there https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.chroniclelive.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/nust-work-ashley-aid-nufc-1409373.amp Did seem a lot for nothing to then happen with. Edited April 9, 2021 by Joey Linton Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thumbheed Posted April 9, 2021 Share Posted April 9, 2021 (edited) Has NUST anticipated any potential fallout from the prospective owners rejecting the proposal? I mean, if the consortium haven't been consulted on this and don't like the idea then haven't NUST put them at risk of alienating a portion of fans before they've even taken over? Edited April 9, 2021 by Thumbheed Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg Posted April 9, 2021 Share Posted April 9, 2021 9 minutes ago, Joey Linton said: Got it from there https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/newcastle-fans-pledge-50million-buy-3366385 And there https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.chroniclelive.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/nust-work-ashley-aid-nufc-1409373.amp Did seem a lot for nothing to then happen with. 2000 people who say they would be willing to give you £25,000 each is very different to actually having the money in the bank. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joey Linton Posted April 9, 2021 Share Posted April 9, 2021 1 minute ago, Greg said: 2000 people who say they would be willing to give you £25,000 each is very different to actually having the money in the bank. Didn't say otherwise. Still it's an indication of interest that existed last time around. Maybe means the £3m isn't as impossible as some people think? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg Posted April 9, 2021 Share Posted April 9, 2021 4 minutes ago, Joey Linton said: Didn't say otherwise. Still it's an indication of interest that existed last time around. Maybe means the £3m isn't as impossible as some people think? I hope so. We're close to 40k - less than 48 hours in. Majority being monthly pledges. A great start, but we've hit a very small percentage of the fan base and need to spread the word. Big challenge is spreading the word outside social media and the online world. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest reefatoon Posted April 10, 2021 Share Posted April 10, 2021 8 hours ago, Thumbheed said: Has NUST anticipated any potential fallout from the prospective owners rejecting the proposal? I mean, if the consortium haven't been consulted on this and don't like the idea then haven't NUST put them at risk of alienating a portion of fans before they've even taken over? This was my concern too. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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