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Newcastle United Supporters Trust (NUST)   

163 members have voted

  1. 1. Have you / do you intend to pledge to the 1892 Pledge scheme orchestrated by the NUST?

    • Yes
      68
    • No
      86


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15 minutes ago, Fantail Breeze said:

I mean they literally built most of their membership on the back of false promises regarding protests when Rafa left.

They can’t protest though, that’ll affect Alex’s chances of getting to sit in a posh box at a match.

Why worry about the current state of affairs? What has happened in the last couple of years to get upset about?

It’s much better to build a friendship with some chap in the fan engagement team who has no authority to do anything. Also great to buy 1% of the club in 6 years to do absolutely nothing with. Pissing in the wind that project, when we’ve been screaming for action for years.

That first paragraph is what sums them up for me. They chased members pretending to be a protest group against the background of rafa leaving, but once they've got them they've no real intention of rocking the boat with the club. 

 

They did a huge membership survey while back and rather than act on the results of it, the response was "well we've sent it to the club". They simply won't ask the question of their members about any form of serious protest, because they don't want the answer that they'll get. 

 

They also used the premier league "meeting" as a membership chase then pretty much shut up shop on the discussion once they'd had it. 

 

If anything i think the stuff we saw yesterday (whilst some of it was clearly too much) showed exactly how far behind the Trust are with this sort of thing. 

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3 minutes ago, HTT II said:

NUST are not and never should be a protest group, they are going about things the right way if a bit too quietly. But I would like them to align with fan trusts and groups of other clubs and somehow come together to demonstrate that we all want our game, sport and clubs back etc.

Do we want our club back? I thought we wanted to give it to the Saudis 

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4 minutes ago, InspectorCoarse said:

But protest  doesnt need all the accoutrements  you describe - it doesnt need costumes , banners , people dressed as vicars etc - it just needs people who believe in the justness of their cause . 

I didn’t say it needed those things at all. What I was pointing out was NUST has great resources (16,000+ members, a load of money in the bank and links to local media and NUFC legends) to make something of it.

An organised protest using those resources will obviously be much more effective than 5 blokes on Twitter trying to do it on their own, as you’ve suggested.

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2 minutes ago, Fantail Breeze said:

I didn’t say it needed those things at all. What I was pointing out was NUST has great resources (16,000+ members, a load of money in the bank and links to local media and NUFC legends) to make something of it.

An organised protest using those resources will obviously be much more effective than 5 blokes on Twitter trying to do it on their own, as you’ve suggested.

The Man U protests suggest otherwise 

 

 

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Just now, InspectorCoarse said:

Yeah but their trust is miles away from what ours is about . You can ask ours to organise protest all you want but they will run away

Well that’s exactly my point - our Trust should start being more reflective of the present day and their membership rather than serving their own interests.

Is Greg still a ST holder like Alex? That’ll be the biggest pinchpoint. None of them want to do anything constructive that’ll see them banned.

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2 minutes ago, Fantail Breeze said:

Well that’s exactly my point - our Trust should start being more reflective of the present day and their membership rather than serving their own interests.

Is Greg still a ST holder like Alex? That’ll be the biggest pinchpoint. None of them want to do anything constructive that’ll see them banned.

Cant see it happening theyre too esconced in their cosy roles 

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NUST have until the end of the season to organise similar to what Man Utd have done or I'm cancelling my DD.  Since they announced their campaign they have done nothing bar a few forelock-tugging e-mails.

Too busy being virtuous and wanting a pat on the back for 'doing the right thing' (surrendering the entire fund to charity after an unspecified time frame after a period of weak diplomacy) while the club goes to wreck and ruin.

All of the while Ashley is laughing his cock off because he knows we are spineless cunts and wouldn't dream of doing anything to the level we saw from Man Utd fans yesterday.

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40 minutes ago, InspectorCoarse said:

That Alex cant wait till hes allowed back in the ground . point is dont hang around waiting for NUST to organise anything - theyre too busy counting their Charidee fund 

That's all you need to know, the only change will come from you not them

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Linda Bush from NUST was recently on the radio championing the 50+1 model and denouncing rich owners. The Trust later came out and said they backed the takeover and acted upon the 97% of it’s members.

However, for me the Trust need to clarify what their current stance is. Do they prefer 50+1 or Saudi ownership, because let’s be clear they’re not compatible objectives.

If I was a betting man I’d back the majority of our support would want the PCP consortium as opposed to a bunch of fans running the club. Let’s be honest as a fan base we can’t organise a piss up in a brewery never mind run a football club.

It’s clear to me that if the trust are backing 50+1, then in effect they are against the PCP takeover. They simply cannot back both as they are incompatible.

The idea of rich owners allowing fans to make key decisions after spending 340 million on the club is ludicrous. As a fan base we argue and agree on nothing, the fan members on the board would be accused of being self publicists and attention seekers.

The trust need to wise up and come clean, if this is about an emergency fund if we do a Sunderland fair enough. Otherwise if it truly is about 50+1 then it’s not for me, I choose owners with the finance and nouse to take us to the next level every time.

 

 

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" It’s clear to me that if the trust are backing 50+1, then in effect they are against the PCP takeover. They simply cannot back both as they are incompatible.

The idea of rich owners allowing fans to make key decisions after spending 340 million on the club is ludicrous. As a fan base we argue and agree on nothing, the fan members on the board would be accused of being self publicists and attention seekers." 

Dont try talking them round by talking sense to them

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1 hour ago, reefatoon said:

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form a protest against Ashley? Well we will certainly take that on board. What I propose is we all save up money for ages and then 6 years down the line we give it to charity. 

Was just thinking of this exact scene as I scrolled down the page :lol: And if that doesn't work I think we pull out all the stops with a major - and I mean major - leafletting campaign.

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2 hours ago, neesy111 said:

I'd bet most of those who voted for protest wouldn't even bother joining in though, this has been seen in the past multiple times.

Nail on head.

Too many people bump their gums online but when push comes to shove, can't be bothered to get off their arses and do anything. And then you've got the absolute bellends who went out of their way to attack and belittle the Magpie Group for anything they tried.

Until that changes, Ashley will continue to treat the club's support with utter contempt.

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The trust is in a difficult position - becoming a protest movement may jeopardise some of the other work the trust do in relation to the club.

The majority of fans are sick of ashleys ownership and want him out so theres clearly a gap in the market for a 'protest group' but as weve seen with other protests, there a bit crap.

If there was an actual organised group who can focus the fans, raise awareness in the media and just generally be a nuisance, especially with the saudis mooching about in the background, surely that can only be a good thing?

As fans we often talk about the clubs potential, but what about ours? the fans potential? Are we really happy sitting at home moaning about bruce, penfold, ashley, bishop, et al?

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1 minute ago, InspectorCoarse said:

 

" It’s clear to me that if the trust are backing 50+1, then in effect they are against the PCP takeover. They simply cannot back both as they are incompatible.

The idea of rich owners allowing fans to make key decisions after spending 340 million on the club is ludicrous. As a fan base we argue and agree on nothing, the fan members on the board would be accused of being self publicists and attention seekers." 

Dont try talking them round by talking sense to them

It’s also noticeable that Liverpool and Man City fans have not organised the same level of protest as Man U and Arsenal.

There is no way City fans would want rid of Mansour to be replaced 50+1. We all know Arsenal and Man U fans have latched on to the ESL objections to try and get rid of Kroenke and the Glazers. This is nothing to do with 50 + 1 they simply want owners that will take them back to the top.

Would they object to the Saudi’s would they hell. 
 

The narrative is certainly there for us to protest more than anyone else. We’ve been shafted by the PL and the so called big 6. I still believe the NUST are the one organisation who could arrange something, and after the MUST’s efforts I don’t accept that this is not their role.

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3 minutes ago, UncleBingo said:

Nail on head.

Too many people bump their gums online but when push comes to shove, can't be bothered to get off their arses and do anything. And then you've got the absolute bellends who went out of their way to attack and belittle the Magpie Group for anything they tried.

Until that changes, Ashley will continue to treat the club's support with utter contempt.

As I said earlier, the Trust would only need to encourage 10% of their members to attend for a successful protest.

That’s even before you consider how many others a professional and well organised event could attract.

I also think the fanbase have moved on significantly since previous protests. Rafa leaving, the Saudi takeover and Bruceball have broken a lot of camel’s backs.

 

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7 minutes ago, Fantail Breeze said:

As I said earlier, the Trust would only need to encourage 10% of their members to attend for a successful protest.

That’s even before you consider how many others a professional and well organised event could attract.

I also think the fanbase have moved on significantly since previous protests. Rafa leaving, the Saudi takeover and Bruceball have broken a lot of camel’s backs.

 

Why do the Trust need to organise things? There were plenty of well publicised protests organised by the Magpie Group but 90% of people did fuck all.....although I'm glad that a sizeable chunk seemed to have walked away.

 

Were you involved in the protests two years ago by the way?

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Just now, UncleBingo said:

Why do the Trust need to organise things?

If they actually ask their members and that's what they want, that's what they should do. If there's not the interest in it they shouldn't. Saying "that's not what we're about" without asking the members doesn't really wash I'm afraid.

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16 minutes ago, Lazarus said:

The trust is in a difficult position - becoming a protest movement may jeopardise some of the other work the trust do in relation to the club.

The majority of fans are sick of ashleys ownership and want him out so theres clearly a gap in the market for a 'protest group' but as weve seen with other protests, there a bit crap.

If there was an actual organised group who can focus the fans, raise awareness in the media and just generally be a nuisance, especially with the saudis mooching about in the background, surely that can only be a good thing?

As fans we often talk about the clubs potential, but what about ours? the fans potential? Are we really happy sitting at home moaning about bruce, penfold, ashley, bishop, et al?

Unfortunately most of our fans aren't happy sitting at home moaning about Bruce and Co. They go to the games and moan about Bruce and Co. 

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14 minutes ago, Joey Linton said:

If they actually ask their members and that's what they want, that's what they should do. If there's not the interest in it they shouldn't. Saying "that's not what we're about" without asking the members doesn't really wash I'm afraid.

They've made it categorically clear that they are not a protest group, so those joining shouldn't expect them to be. 

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