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  1. 1. Have you / do you intend to pledge to the 1892 Pledge scheme orchestrated by the NUST?

    • Yes
      66
    • No
      80


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1 hour ago, Yorkie said:

Eight years. 

Surely we could raise that in say 5 years then as we will have a far bigger fanbase than hearts. Or going off that surely we could 15m in 8 years time.

if we are a championship club in 8 years time then 15m could be about 12% of the club 

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@Greg hope you don’t mind the questions on here as I can’t be fucked to go any other route and apologies if any are a repeat. Not logged on for a while so may well have missed something in this thread.

How often an update will we get on total amount raised? Could a running total on the website be possible or would it be too complicated?

Is there a plan on how a replacement Guardian would be sought if anyone needed to step down? Would a member vote be involved? Would you be seeking like-for-like replacements i.e. Lee Humble steps down then you’d want another accountant/finance professional?

Considering how long these funds could just be sat around, that's a lot of potential erosion purely from inflation. Is there any consideration to investing it for growth somewhere down the line, even in to something low risk? Of course, can understand the hesitance, especially solely when considering the possible reaction from the more cynical among us.

I’m pretty sure answers to any of the above won’t stop me from setting up a small monthly amount but would still be nice to know.

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18 minutes ago, neesy111 said:

I do like what @Greg that is an insurance policy as well if the club does slide down the divisions and could need financial support/investment.

It’s a key point some seem to miss or choose to ignore or haven’t digested, it’s a massive aspect for me in terms of why I’m pledging and in full support of the Trust, a stake in the club under a new owner post Ashley is the least of my desires right now, although that would be good and most welcome. It’s a pledge to safeguard the future of our club against another Ashley etc. that fills me with the most hope and desire to chip in!

 

 

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1 hour ago, wormy said:

How often an update will we get on total amount raised? Could a running total on the website be possible or would it be too complicated?

There is a running total on the website, albeit a bit of a slow one. (Top right.)

 

 

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As if 1% is the be and end all. If the fans own even 1% of the club, then it's a great achievement, but who says it has to stop there? Newcastle United is going to be around a long time and not necessarily as an overvalued PL club. The fans owning any percentage, however long it takes is a good thing.

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12 minutes ago, Doctor Zaius said:

As if 1% is the be and end all. If the fans own even 1% of the club, then it's a great achievement, but who says it has to stop there? Newcastle United is going to be around a long time and not necessarily as an overvalued PL club. The fans owning any percentage, however long it takes is a good thing.

Just out of interest fella, what are your exact reasons for it being a good thing? If it did happen and there was some chance of a tiny say in certain matters and it went to a vote between members, it would end in carnage. You see what it is like in here, 10 people can’t agree on anything and it always ends up in a slagging match. Imagine that on a much bigger scale. The division between fans would be even bigger than it is now. I am trying, but I can’t seem to find a positive to it.

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29 minutes ago, reefatoon said:

Just out of interest fella, what are your exact reasons for it being a good thing? If it did happen and there was some chance of a tiny say in certain matters and it went to a vote between members, it would end in carnage. You see what it is like in here, 10 people can’t agree on anything and it always ends up in a slagging match. Imagine that on a much bigger scale. The division between fans would be even bigger than it is now. I am trying, but I can’t seem to find a positive to it.

Well on the whole, I think fan ownership whereby elected supporters, groups or trusts own part of a football club is the way it should be. I think its a good thing because I would back an elected group to supporters to make decisions in the best interests of the supporters and football club more than I would some random businessman.

I dont think NUST would claim to speak for all fans, just their members but if in a hypothetical situation they did own, say 20% of the club and were influential enough to have a say in matters, they could have an elected board to make decisions on behalf of the trust members. They could put large decisions to ballots I guess too. There'd be plenty of slagging, politics and disagreements no doubt but I think democratic decision making would prevail. Its a million miles away obviously and I hope it never comes to that as it'll probably mean we'll have been relegated twice over but it would mean that in a round about way I could have my views represented and with the use of a vote I could have a say in the decision making process at board level, even if it is miniscule like it is when you pop your ballot in the box to vote for your local MP. Part fan/supporter group ownership the same reason I believe in parliamentary democracy (in theory) and trade unionism.  

 

 

 

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3 hours ago, CalmintheChaos said:

Surely we could raise that in say 5 years then as we will have a far bigger fanbase than hearts. Or going off that surely we could 15m in 8 years time.

if we are a championship club in 8 years time then 15m could be about 12% of the club 

They had £50m in pledges within a matter of weeks last time they did something similar. Wonder if they've still got the details of those people as obviously they'd be able to clear the £3m pretty quickly. 

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1 hour ago, reefatoon said:

Just out of interest fella, what are your exact reasons for it being a good thing? If it did happen and there was some chance of a tiny say in certain matters and it went to a vote between members, it would end in carnage. You see what it is like in here, 10 people can’t agree on anything and it always ends up in a slagging match. Imagine that on a much bigger scale. The division between fans would be even bigger than it is now. I am trying, but I can’t seem to find a positive to it.

Democracy has always been overrated. A benevolent dictator is what you need. Like Saddam Hussein or Vince McMahon.

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43 minutes ago, Doctor Zaius said:

Mind, I do think that if NUST were ever able to raise an amount needed to buy any percentage of the club, Mike Ashley would tell they to get to fuck out pure spite. 

Think you're missing the point, I think its aimed at new owners. Doubt anyone would give Mike Ashley any money for any percentage, he'd just take the money and not listen.

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4 minutes ago, Numbers said:

Think you're missing the point, I think its aimed at new owners. Doubt anyone would give Mike Ashley any money for any percentage, he'd just take the money and not listen.

It is my understanding that the NUST leaders are very willing to give their money to Mike Ashley.

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There’s still no sort of solid plan beyond “maybe buying a nominal share”. 

I get the insurance policy bit. But as I said, that’s still a massive long shot for many reasons. Even in League One, £50m is an astronomical figure to reach and then there would need to be ongoing funding afterwards. There would be plenty of people with a lot more money interested before it got to that point.

It just feels like pissing in the wind. 

Although, when the money is split between charities at least it’ll go to some good use.

Not surprised Alex is the key player behind this. He’ll be gagging to try and sit in the boardroom.

Before anyone starts whinging on, I’ve pledged.

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With any fan led initiative anywhere you will always get people that you don't like. Pretty sure the likes of Bartomeu isn't liked at Barca, but that's why there are democratic processes...well done for pledging!

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20 minutes ago, Candi_Hills said:

It is my understanding that the NUST leaders are very willing to give their money to Mike Ashley.

Was just confirmed in the Q&A that you were wrong btw.

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55 minutes ago, Candi_Hills said:

It is my understanding that the NUST leaders are very willing to give their money to Mike Ashley.

Understand from what source?

Just for the record the chair of NUST is a member on here and friends with many people on here and has said the exact opposite to them privately and in public.

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3 minutes ago, Stifler said:

Understand from what source?

Just for the record the chair of NUST is a member on here and friends with many people on here and has said the exact opposite to them privately and in public.

I think Candi Hills meant Hurst wants to get back in the ground asap and give MA his season ticket money 

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