Ronaldo Posted February 26, 2012 Share Posted February 26, 2012 That's almost equally ludicrous, though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Brazilianbob Posted February 27, 2012 Share Posted February 27, 2012 Its a defensive fact that up until Steven Taylor got injured at the end of the Chelsea game on 3rd December, we had conceded only 15 goals in 14 EPL games. Since then we have conceded 23 goals in 12 EPL games. Williamson did not play in the Norwich game where we conceded 4, but we have conceded 19 goals in the 11 EPL games Williamson has played in this season, although in two of those games, Fulham and Spurs, we conceded 10 goals. This means we have conceded 9 goals in the other 9 EPL games in which Williamson has played. Not sure whether we can draw any conclusions from those stats because 9 in 9 isnt a bad defensive record, but its the 10 in 2 games that makes the defensive stats look far worse than they perhaps really are! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keefaz Posted February 27, 2012 Share Posted February 27, 2012 Is he really that bad? Flick back ten pages and he was getting mad props. Again, I suspect it's a case where he's a decent player when the team's playing well, but his limitations are highlighted when we're playing poorly (collectively). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest neesy111 Posted February 27, 2012 Share Posted February 27, 2012 Is he really that bad? Flick back ten pages and he was getting mad props. Again, I suspect it's a case where he's a decent player when the team's playing well, but his limitations are highlighted when we're playing poorly (collectively). He started off alright, but the last 5 games I think he's been an utter shambles of a CB. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole_Toonfan Posted February 27, 2012 Share Posted February 27, 2012 It's not that he's bad, its that with him and Colo as the CB's its too easy to get in behind they dont compliment each other at all. I think he would do a decent job in a deep defensive line or with a fast CB next to him. Also he's good enough back up but currently he's first choice due to injuries and not having enough CB's so his flaws are highlighted more. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Rey Mysterio Posted February 27, 2012 Share Posted February 27, 2012 Its a defensive fact that up until Steven Taylor got injured at the end of the Chelsea game on 3rd December, we had conceded only 15 goals in 14 EPL games. Since then we have conceded 23 goals in 12 EPL games. Williamson did not play in the Norwich game where we conceded 4, but we have conceded 19 goals in the 11 EPL games Williamson has played in this season, although in two of those games, Fulham and Spurs, we conceded 10 goals. This means we have conceded 9 goals in the other 9 EPL games in which Williamson has played. Not sure whether we can draw any conclusions from those stats because 9 in 9 isnt a bad defensive record, but its the 10 in 2 games that makes the defensive stats look far worse than they perhaps really are! You cant just get rid of the two worst games to make the stats look better! Williamson was probably at fault for at least half of those 10 goals from memory so no, I wouldn't say those games make the stats look worse than they really are. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pilko Posted February 27, 2012 Share Posted February 27, 2012 He's been poor in the last four or five games. I still think he's a competent enough squad defender, though. Shouldn't be looking to sell, not yet anyway. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wallace Posted February 27, 2012 Share Posted February 27, 2012 On Saturday most of his cleared headers went straight to a Wolves player. Hope he sorts that out for the derby as a couple of their midfielders are rather fond of a long distance shot. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted February 27, 2012 Share Posted February 27, 2012 Wasn't too long ago that people were talking about Willicini as our best defensive partnership. Weird that he's done so poorly recently. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Brazilianbob Posted February 27, 2012 Share Posted February 27, 2012 Is he really that bad? Flick back ten pages and he was getting mad props. Again, I suspect it's a case where he's a decent player when the team's playing well, but his limitations are highlighted when we're playing poorly (collectively). He started off alright, but the last 5 games I think he's been an utter shambles of a CB. You are right! We have conceded 13 in the last 5 games. It clear Williamson needs Cabaye and Tiote in front of him for protection. Against Wolves they were feeling their way back into the EPL after they had both been out for a few weeks, so hopefully they will afford us some defensive protection next weekend! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted February 27, 2012 Share Posted February 27, 2012 Williamson is a limited player who generally does okay with the basics of defending. A lot of the time that is enough. Same as Simpson really. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cajun Posted February 27, 2012 Share Posted February 27, 2012 Williamson is a limited player who generally does okay with the basics of defending. A lot of the time that is enough. Same as Simpson really. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted February 27, 2012 Share Posted February 27, 2012 Williamson is a limited player who generally does okay with the basics of defending. A lot of the time that is enough. Same as Simpson really. true, but he looks a shadow of the basic centre half he was last season. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yorkie Posted February 27, 2012 Share Posted February 27, 2012 Williamson is a limited player who generally does okay with the basics of defending. A lot of the time that is enough. Same as Simpson really. true, but he looks a shadow of the basic centre half he was last season. Aye, was just gonna say the same thing. At best he's the limited defender that acts as a steady pair of hands - and when he first came back in the team he was competent, if unspectacular. At the moment, he doesn't even look like that. Given his form now, the cynic in me suggests that he might have looked good a few weeks back because he was replacing the likes of Simpson and Perch at CB. However, it probably is a touch harsh. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest WashyGeordie Posted February 27, 2012 Share Posted February 27, 2012 Bring back the Perch-inator! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Brazilianbob Posted February 27, 2012 Share Posted February 27, 2012 Williamson is a limited player who generally does okay with the basics of defending. A lot of the time that is enough. Same as Simpson really. true, but he looks a shadow of the basic centre half he was last season. Aye, was just gonna say the same thing. At best he's the limited defender that acts as a steady pair of hands - and when he first came back in the team he was competent, if unspectacular. At the moment, he doesn't even look like that. Given his form now, the cynic in me suggests that he might have looked good a few weeks back because he was replacing the likes of Simpson and Perch at CB. However, it probably is a touch harsh. Not harsh at all. He was being protected by Tiote and Cabaye but when Tiote went off to ACN and Cabaye got suspended for 3 games his defensive frailties were exposed! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted February 27, 2012 Share Posted February 27, 2012 Any centre half needs good protection though. Even Colo was exposed against Spurs. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heron Posted February 27, 2012 Share Posted February 27, 2012 Williamson is a limited player who generally does okay with the basics of defending. A lot of the time that is enough. Same as Simpson really. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted February 28, 2012 Share Posted February 28, 2012 I don't think Simpson's basics are as good as Williamson's, like. Full-back is pretty much the only position on the pitch you can sometimes escape a game without being really tested and Simpson benefits from that as much as any defender I can remember. He shirks his responsibilities constantly and consequently the other defenders have not an ounce of confidence in him and are frequently dragged out of position. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pilko Posted February 28, 2012 Share Posted February 28, 2012 completely agree with that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sugoinufc Posted February 28, 2012 Share Posted February 28, 2012 Williamson is a limited player who generally does okay with the basics of defending. A lot of the time that is enough. Same as Simpson really. agree....and will be happy for both of them to stay as 2nd (simpson) and 4th choice in their postions. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parky Posted February 28, 2012 Share Posted February 28, 2012 Get rid. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest ToonZA Posted February 28, 2012 Share Posted February 28, 2012 Williamson is a limited player who generally does okay with the basics of defending. A lot of the time that is enough. Same as Simpson really. true, but he looks a shadow of the basic centre half he was last season. Aye, was just gonna say the same thing. At best he's the limited defender that acts as a steady pair of hands - and when he first came back in the team he was competent, if unspectacular. At the moment, he doesn't even look like that. Given his form now, the cynic in me suggests that he might have looked good a few weeks back because he was replacing the likes of Simpson and Perch at CB. However, it probably is a touch harsh. I think when just returning from a long layoff enthusiasm and adrenaline carried him through the initial couple of games and he did a decent job. Thats now worn off and the impact of being out for so long has caught up with him and is not helping his already limited game. I hope we see the steady, reliable, do-the-basics-well player on Sunday. We cannot afford for him to lose the plot again. Our bus does not have space for any more passengers. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChrisMcQuillan Posted February 28, 2012 Share Posted February 28, 2012 Simpson has too much ego to stay as 2nd choice. Hopefully Williamson will realise that 4th choice here is probably as good as he'll get. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newcastle Fan Posted February 28, 2012 Share Posted February 28, 2012 I really don't rate Williamson, like Dave said he just does the basics right and that's all, that's really not good enough at this level and i find it difficult to trust our defense with him on the side, really missing Saylor atm. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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