Ronaldo Posted June 15, 2011 Share Posted June 15, 2011 Eh? He can take a set-piece, thread a pass and has scored some pretty decent goals for us. f***ing hell I'm sounding like his agent here. I accept he's average at best in terms of PL standards, but I think "bland" is pretty harsh. He's a good footballer. He's scored once from open play (the other was a penalty) in about 65 PL games. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich Posted June 15, 2011 Share Posted June 15, 2011 Eh? He can take a set-piece, thread a pass and has scored some pretty decent goals for us. f***ing hell I'm sounding like his agent here. I accept he's average at best in terms of PL standards, but I think "bland" is pretty harsh. He's a good footballer. He's scored once from open play (the other was a penalty) in about 50 PL games. What's that in relation to there, Wrongaldo? If it's the "decent goals" bit, do ones he scored in the level below not count? Joey Barton's scored how many from open play for us in the PL? (Using him here as he's generally accepted as a "good" player and he's fairly similar to Guthrie.) I can toss barely-related statistical nonsense around too. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted June 15, 2011 Share Posted June 15, 2011 65 games is closer to the mark. We're a PL team now, Guthrie should be judged by those standards. Routledge's stats are poor too, but at least he can impact games and push the opposition back a bit. If we'd had Routledge to bring on against Sunderland, Spurs and WBA, we'd have another 6 points in the bag. Guthrie doesn't offer that option. He'll simply jog around for a bit, play some basic passes and occasionally hide when the going gets tough. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich Posted June 15, 2011 Share Posted June 15, 2011 You had me intrigued: it's 38 games in the PL for Guthrie with us. 32 starts. Barton's played 64 games with 58 starts at the same level. 2 goals from open play? 3? Can't remember what his first goal was for us, but he's definitely only got 2 since - Villa/Liverpool at home this season. So aye, the original post had little real relevance to anything in terms of judging his quality as a footballer - given most people (including yourself I'll assume) think Barton is pretty decent at this level and given they're pretty similar players. You don't rate Guthrie though, fair enough, I can accept that. Could just maybe seek to improve the way you evaluate things in future Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted June 15, 2011 Share Posted June 15, 2011 Barton has more than twice the amount of assists this season than Guthrie has in his entire PL career (roughly 65 games, btw). There's no comparison between the two. Barton's a PL playmaker, Guthrie's a PL nothing. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich Posted June 15, 2011 Share Posted June 15, 2011 I can't keep going man, I can't. Just stop it you cheeky devil. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted June 15, 2011 Share Posted June 15, 2011 Guthrie is absolutely pathetic man. He'd be Zico if he played in the SPL. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TaylorJ_01 Posted June 15, 2011 Share Posted June 15, 2011 Guthrie is absolutely pathetic man. He'd be Zico if he played in the SPL. My head exploded. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sifu Posted June 15, 2011 Share Posted June 15, 2011 Guthrie is absolutely pathetic man. He'd be Zico if he played in the SPL. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest BlacknWhiteArmy Posted June 16, 2011 Share Posted June 16, 2011 Eh? He can take a set-piece, thread a pass and has scored some pretty decent goals for us. Fucking hell I'm sounding like his agent here. I accept he's average at best in terms of PL standards, but I think "bland" is pretty harsh. He's a good footballer. Not in the Premier League, no. He runs around and plays some safe balls back to the defence. Offers nothing attacking and puts in the graft to defend. Acceptable to call upon first season but he's got very little to his game at this level imo. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich Posted June 16, 2011 Share Posted June 16, 2011 Aye, fair enough. Just see things differently I suppose. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest neesy111 Posted June 16, 2011 Share Posted June 16, 2011 If we want to progress then having Guthrie as a squad player is a no-no. Need players who can come in and do a job. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Revolution Number 9 Posted June 16, 2011 Share Posted June 16, 2011 Guthrie's a decent option to bring on when we're defending a lead to be fair, he slows the game down a bit and he's neat and tidy. He does have some use, he's just not a remotely interesting player in any way, shape or form. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ocho Posted June 16, 2011 Share Posted June 16, 2011 Guthrie's a decent option to bring on when we're defending a lead to be fair, he slows the game down a bit and he's neat and tidy. He does have some use, he's just not a remotely interesting player in any way, shape or form. Don't know. I still have images of that moment at WBA. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest neesy111 Posted June 16, 2011 Share Posted June 16, 2011 Guthrie's a decent option to bring on when we're defending a lead to be fair, he slows the game down a bit and he's neat and tidy. He does have some use, he's just not a remotely interesting player in any way, shape or form. Don't know. I still have images of that moment at WBA. That is one of the most embarassing things I've seen from an NUFC player on the pitch. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted June 16, 2011 Share Posted June 16, 2011 Guthrie is a bit like Nolan, if he had any athleticism he'd be a top player. Top players generally impact games, athleticism or not. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doug Posted June 16, 2011 Share Posted June 16, 2011 Guthrie's a decent option to bring on when we're defending a lead to be fair, he slows the game down a bit and he's neat and tidy. He does have some use, he's just not a remotely interesting player in any way, shape or form. Don't know. I still have images of that moment at WBA. That is one of the most embarassing things I've seen from an NUFC player on the pitch. A low point indeed Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
womblemaster Posted June 16, 2011 Share Posted June 16, 2011 just had mental image of guthrie playing in the J league..... [they misheard the glaswegian and thought they were getting zico] Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yorkie Posted June 16, 2011 Share Posted June 16, 2011 I was one to (rightly) slate him in the season just gone, but i'd be happy enough having him in the squad next season. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted June 17, 2011 Share Posted June 17, 2011 Guthrie is a bit like Nolan, if he had any athleticism he'd be a top player. Top players generally impact games, athleticism or not. I don't understand what that means. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dokko Posted June 17, 2011 Share Posted June 17, 2011 I was one to (rightly) slate him in the season just gone, but i'd be happy enough having him in the squad next season. Even though he walks round the pitch with his pigeon chest out like he owns the world, he in fact suffers from confidence issues; Pardew has no confidence in him at this level, it would be pointless now keeping him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fenham Mag Posted June 24, 2011 Share Posted June 24, 2011 http://www.fulhamchronicle.co.uk/london-sport/london-qpr/2011/06/24/qpr-pull-out-of-routledge-deal-82029-28932356/ Still think they'll be back in for him. Can see it being a deadline day transfer. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted June 24, 2011 Share Posted June 24, 2011 http://www.blogonthetyne.co.uk/2011/06/rout-of-order-1.html Rout of order By Lee Ryder on Jun 24, 11 08:27 AM Newcastle United will have an extra body on their hands come July 4 when Wayne Routledge regroups with his Toon team-mates after a six month stint on loan at Queens Park Rangers. For Routledge, it represents yet another new dawn after QPR pulled the plug on a permanent transfer to Loftus Road. Once again Routledge finds himself at a crossroads in a career that has had its fair share of thrills and spills. But once again from United's point of view and for Alan Pardew, he has the frustrating task of having a player on his hands blessed with ability who somehow can't turn it on when it matters at the top level. Routledge made a sparkling start to his career at Newcastle in the Championship and spoke highly of United and how Chris Hughton had handed him a wonderful chance to rebuild his career. Stints at Fulham, Tottenham, Pompey and Aston Villa failed to bring the best out of Routledge in the Premier League - and sadly so far he can add Newcastle to that list from a top flight viewpoint. Once tipped for full England honours, Routledge has a unique ability to hit the byline and put in delicious crosses for his forward line. Yet so far in his career, he's only been able to deliver in the Premier League. One thing is for sure, if United were willing to offload him to QPR for £1.5million a matter of weeks ago, Newcastle will be prepared to listen to offers again. If they don't come though, Pardew must try to bring out the best in a player he didn't deem good enough back in January. Back then Routledge's poor show in the FA Cup against Stevenage resulted in more than just an early end to Wembley hopes for the Londoner. Yet six months on, he will report back at the club's Benton base for action and could even be in the squad for the trip to Darlington three weeks tonight. We all love a comeback...don't we? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fenham Mag Posted June 24, 2011 Share Posted June 24, 2011 Only 3 weeks to preseason, thank GOD! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NG32 Posted June 24, 2011 Share Posted June 24, 2011 eh? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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