Ishmael Posted April 20, 2011 Share Posted April 20, 2011 Not even getting to a Champions League final with Chelsea has to go down as a failure though. Definitely. Jose will probably go back to win it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ishmael Posted April 20, 2011 Share Posted April 20, 2011 Think you're all underestimating just how good this Barcelona team is. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ponsaelius Posted April 20, 2011 Share Posted April 20, 2011 He's a class manager, I never said he SHOULD step down, I would just personally like to see him do it. Tis all. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vincent Vega Posted April 20, 2011 Share Posted April 20, 2011 Yeah but you claimed he was too arrogant to do that , hes got every right to manage the clubs which give him the best chance of winning. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nobody Posted April 20, 2011 Share Posted April 20, 2011 He's a class manager, I never said he SHOULD step down, I would just personally like to see him do it. Tis all. Only if you seen Newcastle as a step down from Real Madrid, then yes, he should step down. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ponsaelius Posted April 20, 2011 Share Posted April 20, 2011 You're completely and utterly missing the point, VV. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ishmael Posted April 20, 2011 Share Posted April 20, 2011 So it's agreed? He steps down immediately and takes over here. I like it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldtype Posted April 20, 2011 Share Posted April 20, 2011 Obviously the only way he can truly prove himself is to come to Newcastle. EDIT: damnit, Dresden got there first. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ponsaelius Posted April 20, 2011 Share Posted April 20, 2011 Now you're all cottoning on. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ritchie Posted April 20, 2011 Share Posted April 20, 2011 Meh, I wouldn't want him. He can go to Port Vale. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ponsaelius Posted April 20, 2011 Share Posted April 20, 2011 Seriously though, I'd just like to see it happen. It's a totally different challenge to managing a big club and it would be interesting to see how he'd cope. (the same way in that it would be interesting how he'd deal with an international job, which is different again) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ishmael Posted April 20, 2011 Share Posted April 20, 2011 Meh, I wouldn't want him. He can go to Port Vale. This would be equally superb. I'd instantly switch my allegiance. /cbatolinktrollface Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vincent Vega Posted April 20, 2011 Share Posted April 20, 2011 Its Messi whos going to Port Vale haha will agree with you there then Sewelly Jose for the toon ! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flip Posted April 20, 2011 Share Posted April 20, 2011 His Porto squad was full of quality players, also look at what teams he played in the UEFA Cup. Not like they were impossible teams to beat. I mean a team consisting of half the portuguese national side which reached the final of the Euro Cup isnt exactly bad. Add to that Benni McCarthy, Derlei and Carlos Alberto who were very good players at the time its not like he had a s*** team. Also, the Porto team that won the Champions League beat Manchester United, but after that most of the games were clubs of the same reputation as them. It was a weird season with Monaco in the final. That Porto team was a team he built, and it only became half the Portuguese national side when he came along. Deco was an average player until Mourinho came onto the scene. (7 league goals in 3 seasons before scoring 13 in Jose's first season alone), Ferreira, Derlei, Mendes and Valente were all signed from mid table Portuguese clubs, Carvalho was third choice and had spent the past two seasons on loan (and had only made a a single league game for Porto) and his Captain Costa had to be recalled from loan. Alberto, Maniche and McCarthy were all signed by him as well. All those players were no names or names only in Portugal. Deco wasn't really averaged, and also the 13 goals he scored was during the season when Mourinho signed, Mourinho signed however only in January. Vitor Baia had been injured and had played for Barcelona prior to that and wasn't exactly unkown. Costinha had won Ligue 1 and arrived prior to Mourinho. Carvalho became 3rd choice under Mourinho as he had partnered Jorge Andrade for most of the season before Mourinho came. On the other hand he did build his team, I'll give you that, but he also had the money to do so. The players he signed weren't exactly unknown in Portugal. That said, he's a great manager, but ALL I've been trying to say is that there's an exxageration in terms of praise. Its not exactly like he has ever had a shit team and won stuff with a shit team. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beren Posted April 20, 2011 Share Posted April 20, 2011 Any post-match interviews from Guardiola/Jose about? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ponsaelius Posted April 20, 2011 Share Posted April 20, 2011 Kris Commons has 9 goals in 16 games for Celtic. What a pish league. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ishmael Posted April 20, 2011 Share Posted April 20, 2011 He's a good player. Real technical quality at least. Of course he's going to tear that league up. Remember him sending one past Man Red from 30+ yards in a friendly when he was at Stoke ages back. A little wasted his career. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ponsaelius Posted April 20, 2011 Share Posted April 20, 2011 Georgios Samaras manages to maintain a wretched scoring record up there like. Greasy, languid streak of shite that he is. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Snrub Posted April 20, 2011 Share Posted April 20, 2011 Any post-match interviews from Guardiola/Jose about? http://www.sportinglife.com/football/news/story_get.cgi?STORY_NAME=soccer/11/04/20/manual_230822.html&BID=165 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ponsaelius Posted April 21, 2011 Share Posted April 21, 2011 Don't suppose anybody's sad enough to be watching the Copa Libertadores right now? Santos going through here. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpal78 Posted April 21, 2011 Share Posted April 21, 2011 Maybe Messi should move to Port Vale and prove himself? It's not that though, you miss the point. He's a world class manager and one of the best around. But he's not god like some people make him out to be. It's not like he beat Barcelona with Alan Smith and James Perch. There are other factors bar him that has contributed to his success. Money, deep squads and so on. People are all hysteric he beat Barcelona with a team consiting of CRonaldo, Özil, Di Maria etc. You're not making much sense. Of course top managers will manage top clubs, why would he be managing players like Perch or Smith? We don't ask SAF and the rest of the top managers to prove their credibility by managing piss poor players. What Mourinho does though is make his players play 110% for him no doubt. I've followed Madrid since the Galactico period and never have I seen a Madrid team played with so much intensity down to every single player. They were running and harassing Barcelona right to the very end, even the so called diva players. Of course when big teams like Madrid, Barcelona, Man Utd, Inter win, there are a multitude of factors involve, when Giardiola wins with Barcelona, we don't take credit away from him just because he has players like Messi, Xavi and Iniesta do we? But if you want to consider the Mourinho factor, then why is it that even with money, big squads (and all other factors that you care to name) Inter did not win the CL for donkey years till Mouriho came along. Why is that Madrid with all that they have could not past the 2nd round stage of the CL for so many years pre Mourinho ad now they are in the semis? He makes great teams into champions and although unlikely I would love it just love if Madrid wins the CL this year. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hughesy Posted April 21, 2011 Share Posted April 21, 2011 His Porto squad was full of quality players, also look at what teams he played in the UEFA Cup. Not like they were impossible teams to beat. I mean a team consisting of half the portuguese national side which reached the final of the Euro Cup isnt exactly bad. Add to that Benni McCarthy, Derlei and Carlos Alberto who were very good players at the time its not like he had a s*** team. Also, the Porto team that won the Champions League beat Manchester United, but after that most of the games were clubs of the same reputation as them. It was a weird season with Monaco in the final. That Porto team was a team he built, and it only became half the Portuguese national side when he came along. Deco was an average player until Mourinho came onto the scene. (7 league goals in 3 seasons before scoring 13 in Jose's first season alone), Ferreira, Derlei, Mendes and Valente were all signed from mid table Portuguese clubs, Carvalho was third choice and had spent the past two seasons on loan (and had only made a a single league game for Porto) and his Captain Costa had to be recalled from loan. Alberto, Maniche and McCarthy were all signed by him as well. All those players were no names or names only in Portugal. Deco wasn't really averaged, and also the 13 goals he scored was during the season when Mourinho signed, Mourinho signed however only in January. Vitor Baia had been injured and had played for Barcelona prior to that and wasn't exactly unkown. Costinha had won Ligue 1 and arrived prior to Mourinho. Carvalho became 3rd choice under Mourinho as he had partnered Jorge Andrade for most of the season before Mourinho came. On the other hand he did build his team, I'll give you that, but he also had the money to do so. The players he signed weren't exactly unknown in Portugal. That said, he's a great manager, but ALL I've been trying to say is that there's an exxageration in terms of praise. Its not exactly like he has ever had a s*** team and won stuff with a s*** team. Just to clarify... who has won the CL with a bad team? Who has won the CL with a 'worse' team than Porto? And also it would be useful to offer an opinion without relying entirely on hindsight when it comes to judging the merits of players. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cronky Posted April 21, 2011 Share Posted April 21, 2011 I only saw the last 45 minutes of the game last night, but Barca have reason to be worried because it did look like Mourinho knows how to beat them. Now that they've got that result, the players will have that confidence as well. Despite all the possession and pressure, Real looked the more likely to score. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flip Posted April 21, 2011 Share Posted April 21, 2011 Never once did I say he should be managing players like Smith and Perch. Let me say this then to make it easier for you to understand. Mourinho has not won anything with an unwinnable team. I have not once said he's not a great manager, there aren't many managers of his qualities and achievements out there. But he has won with Inter who were used to win titles and during a time where the Serie A was weak. He has won with Chelsea where he had the money to buy whatever player he wanted, he won last night with a team that has the deepest squad in the world, yet people makes it look like he has won of an eleven consisting of amateur players. Not once have I said he's shit or hasn't won anything. All I've said is that he's not exactly won stuff with nobodies. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hughesy Posted April 21, 2011 Share Posted April 21, 2011 Yes - and I've asked quite a straightforward question in return. Can you name a manager who has won the CL with a 'worse' team? No-one is disputing the fact that Porto were a good team - albeit I imagine barely amongst the top 16 favourites to win the CL that year. But I cannot think of a 'worse' team to win the CL? Therefore, that makes Mourinho's achievement that much greater. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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