Heron Posted October 26, 2011 Share Posted October 26, 2011 Ah - okay. Cheers. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
fredbob Posted October 26, 2011 Share Posted October 26, 2011 I'm struggling to see peoples reason for debate here. From what i've read (which isn't everything), no-one has said he is s*** or even average for that matter. I think we all accept he is a talented footballer. All people are saying is that he needs to get his head up and play it simple a bit more often, yet the majority jump to his defence about not being sharp enough. Whilst I understand that this is a reason for lack of fitness, this isn't a reason that effects the brain. To look up and notice your team mates and/or the opposition is not something that is effected by a broken leg. Also, it's just constructive criticism - yet people make it out that it's like Ben Arfa is above any form of criticism because of his talent. Well I can only remember one "superb" thing he's done for us so far and that was his goal vs Everton. He has to prove himself in Black and White for me to class him as a fan favourite, not just our world class injured man. Because he's some what of a favourite people make countless excuses - which I could understand for someone like Shearer towards his end here, but for Hatem, he has more to do and I actually really think he will tonight. Very rarely do you score goals by doing the simple things, there's no set formula to scoring goals, In actual fact theres no difference between someone trying to play a risky ball through the defence and someone trying to take on the fullbacks on a regualr basis, they both can come up with the same results yet one way of doings things Is frowned upon more than the other. I'd personally encourage Ben arfa to dribble as much as possible in the final 3rd, the more a player has the ball the quicker the oppossition loses shape trying to regain possession, its these finer details which win matches. I don't think ill ever have a problem with HBA losing possession in the final 3rd because i know what he's actually capable of. Said it before but lionel Messi loses the ball more than any other player in the barcelona team, its the nature of the beast. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christmas Tree Posted October 26, 2011 Share Posted October 26, 2011 I'm struggling to see peoples reason for debate here. From what i've read (which isn't everything), no-one has said he is s*** or even average for that matter. I think we all accept he is a talented footballer. All people are saying is that he needs to get his head up and play it simple a bit more often, yet the majority jump to his defence about not being sharp enough. Whilst I understand that this is a reason for lack of fitness, this isn't a reason that effects the brain. To look up and notice your team mates and/or the opposition is not something that is effected by a broken leg. Also, it's just constructive criticism - yet people make it out that it's like Ben Arfa is above any form of criticism because of his talent. Well I can only remember one "superb" thing he's done for us so far and that was his goal vs Everton. He has to prove himself in Black and White for me to class him as a fan favourite, not just our world class injured man. Because he's some what of a favourite people make countless excuses - which I could understand for someone like Shearer towards his end here, but for Hatem, he has more to do and I actually really think he will tonight. Thats a very good post and probably sums up where quite a few of us are. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PENKAAA Posted October 26, 2011 Share Posted October 26, 2011 Can't wait till he starts a game and it's live on Sky. Just seeing him in that interactive line-up where they turn and walk forward... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christmas Tree Posted October 26, 2011 Share Posted October 26, 2011 I'm struggling to see peoples reason for debate here. From what i've read (which isn't everything), no-one has said he is s*** or even average for that matter. I think we all accept he is a talented footballer. All people are saying is that he needs to get his head up and play it simple a bit more often, yet the majority jump to his defence about not being sharp enough. Whilst I understand that this is a reason for lack of fitness, this isn't a reason that effects the brain. To look up and notice your team mates and/or the opposition is not something that is effected by a broken leg. Also, it's just constructive criticism - yet people make it out that it's like Ben Arfa is above any form of criticism because of his talent. Well I can only remember one "superb" thing he's done for us so far and that was his goal vs Everton. He has to prove himself in Black and White for me to class him as a fan favourite, not just our world class injured man. Because he's some what of a favourite people make countless excuses - which I could understand for someone like Shearer towards his end here, but for Hatem, he has more to do and I actually really think he will tonight. It didnt really start because of any of the points you have made. Everyone knows he needs to improve and everyone accepts it will take time. No biggie It kicked off because Christmas Tree ( i feel stupid calling someone that) insinuated he may be a bad apple based of the fact he hasnt played a reserve game. A theory he has pulled out of his arse basically. Then shit went down. http://www.newcastle-online.org/nufcforum/Smileys/Newcastle-Online/icon_lol.gif A nice revision of history. Well done I said IF there was any truth in the press rumours that he had refused to play THEN he could be considered a BAD APPLE and should be moved on. Nice try though Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted October 26, 2011 Share Posted October 26, 2011 He really is crap. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Revolution Number 9 Posted October 26, 2011 Share Posted October 26, 2011 Wish my craic was as mint as yours Ronaldo. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
High Five o Posted October 26, 2011 Share Posted October 26, 2011 He really is crap. You are crap. I know your a WUM Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted October 26, 2011 Share Posted October 26, 2011 Wish my craic was as mint as yours Ronaldo. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flip Posted October 26, 2011 Share Posted October 26, 2011 He really is crap. You're such a wizard sometimes. Fucking chameleon trolling around. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vincent Vega Posted October 26, 2011 Share Posted October 26, 2011 Dont think we can afford to start with him untill hes fully up to scratch tbh to much of a luxury if he isnt top of his game , id keep bringing on in the 60th-70th minute if we're chasing a win for the next few games tbh. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flip Posted October 26, 2011 Share Posted October 26, 2011 Dont think we can afford to start with him untill hes fully up to scratch tbh to much of a luxury if he isnt top of his game , id keep bringing on in the 60th-70th minute if we're chasing a win for the next few games tbh. Yeah....erm...noo? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
thomas Posted October 26, 2011 Share Posted October 26, 2011 booo send him back to france. boooo Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nobody Posted October 26, 2011 Share Posted October 26, 2011 Nice, took three games before people started turning on him. Don't let Ba be a lesson, lads. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted October 26, 2011 Share Posted October 26, 2011 DAMAGE Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jayson Posted October 26, 2011 Share Posted October 26, 2011 Aye, hes not really earnt himself a start against stoke with that. Best & Ba upfront again it is. Marveaux also keeping up form it sounded. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colos Curls Posted October 26, 2011 Share Posted October 26, 2011 Has the internal investigation started yet? I wanna play! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vincent Vega Posted October 26, 2011 Share Posted October 26, 2011 I would eventually start him up top with Ba like but think he needs more time seemed a bit of a passenger in the first half. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted October 26, 2011 Share Posted October 26, 2011 I didn't see tonight's game. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yorkie Posted October 26, 2011 Share Posted October 26, 2011 I wouldn't have started him against Stoke even if i'd watched tonight's game and he'd played well. I know it's pandering to (what i think is) a worse team than us, but i think we're going to need to be more physical up front if we're going to get anything from the game. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vincent Vega Posted October 26, 2011 Share Posted October 26, 2011 Aye agree with that like plus Stoke would probably kick the shit out of him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unbelievable Posted October 26, 2011 Share Posted October 26, 2011 I didn't see tonight's game. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Wearside Posted October 26, 2011 Share Posted October 26, 2011 Hauled off after 70 minutes. Impressive. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Logic Posted October 26, 2011 Share Posted October 26, 2011 Wahey. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexf Posted October 26, 2011 Share Posted October 26, 2011 He needs to be eased in from the wing. That's what we did when he joined last season and he was excellent there before the injury. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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