Darth Crooks Posted August 17, 2010 Share Posted August 17, 2010 Dont understand why Nolan is getting alot of stick here. There were worse players on the pitch than him that stopped him getting involved in the game, Perch, Smith and Jonas for starters. Just another player yous can all whine about. The likes of Perch (I'm giving the lad a chance) and Jonas weren't part of the reason we went down in the first place. Play with players as immobile as Nolan and to a lesser extent Smith and you're asking to struggle in this league. Very much part of the reason it was a cakewalk for Man U last night and why much of play was well in our own half. Should a decent CM sign I would have no problem with the latter two names just mentioned being jettisoned. Championship quality at best. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cheshire Mag Posted August 17, 2010 Share Posted August 17, 2010 Dont understand why Nolan is getting alot of stick here. There were worse players on the pitch than him that stopped him getting involved in the game, Perch, Smith and Jonas for starters. Just another player yous can all whine about. The likes of Perch (I'm giving the lad a chance) and Jonas weren't part of the reason we went down in the first place. Play with players as immobile as Nolan and to a lesser extent Smith and you're asking to struggle in this league. Very much part of the reason it was a cakewalk for Man U last night and why much of play was well in our own half. Should a decent CM sign I would have no problem with the latter two names just mentioned being jettisoned. Championship quality at best. The reason it was so easy for them is because they are one of the best sides in europe and we are not. Pretty simple really. Much of our play was in out own half because we were just hoofing it in any direction hoping for Carroll to bring it down and bring Nolan into play. Doesnt help when you have idiots like Smith and Jonas giving away stupid fouls and trying to take on the whole side. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted August 17, 2010 Share Posted August 17, 2010 Certainly not the worst player on the pitch though, which is what people are making him out to be here. He might not have been the worst but he allowed Scholes to be the best. No doubt Nolan tries but he's so slow he can't hope to compete with a mobile midfield like Man U's, especially if he's got equally slow partners in Barton and Smith. You can get away with it in the Championship, in the premier you will get run down like an old dog. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ponsaelius Posted August 17, 2010 Share Posted August 17, 2010 Nolan was comfortably our worst player ffs. What did he do? Atleast Perch had a respectable 2nd half and Smith was actively involved in the game. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Roger Kint Posted August 17, 2010 Share Posted August 17, 2010 Nolan was comfortably our worst player ffs. What did he do? Atleast Perch had a respectable 2nd half and Smith was actively involved in the game. This for me, at the very least Perch and Smith tried while Nolan happily disappeared. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cheshire Mag Posted August 17, 2010 Share Posted August 17, 2010 Certainly not the worst player on the pitch though, which is what people are making him out to be here. He might not have been the worst but he allowed Scholes to be the best. No doubt Nolan tries but he's so slow he can't hope to compete with a mobile midfield like Man U's, especially if he's got equally slow partners in Barton and Smith. You can get away with it in the Championship, in the premier you will get run down like an old dog. How the hell could it have been his fault Scholes had a good game? Nolan was just behind Carroll, keeping Scholes and Fletcher quiet was Barton and Smiths job and they failed, badly. Perch had nothing to do in the second half, the only thing Smith was involved in was giving away stupid fouls. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
buzza Posted August 17, 2010 Share Posted August 17, 2010 I think we all expected that result or something similar and I don't think it will ruin our season in any way. Man u passed the ball around through one-touch football which at times was totally mesmerising, not many teams could have played well against them last night... Paul Scholes, the ginger cnut that everyone loves to hate, I'd sign him in a minute, this football malarky is sooo easy! We deffo need a striker or Nº10 to help out Carrol or we will suffer horribly. Barton looked a yard or so off the pace and that quick yellow dampened him totally, hopefully he will get better because last night was poor, his partner Smith did what he does best; put 100% effort in but without much inroads into the Manu midfield and it would be nice if he made a forward pass every now and again... Either Perch livens up or you have to stick him on the bench, praying that Taylor comes back quicker than expected and I reckon we could have a decent back four if he slots in at right back??? Nolan was cack last night, don't know if it was the position or just that he's a lumbering lazy player but... Harper, don't know if it's only me but he was sooo slow to get near Gigg's goal, I am a bit worried about him, seems like the reflexes are going....Krul for Nº1!!!! The positives to take from our performance: -Andy Carrol, what a shift he put in last night, shame about that first header... but it will come, I hope. Defense, midfield attack, what didn't he do last night? A shame That nolan is so immobile that Carrol was the "sole" striker. This also made Manu's job much easier as they only had to keep their 2 centre backs to watch him, their full backs ran riot and had freedom of the pitch. -Williamson, Colo & Enrique, thought they all played well last night and Williamson was my pick of the three, honestly think that he will grow and grow in the prem, wasn't fazed by anything and looked at home. -Routledge, against lesser opposition he will have a field day but he was playing against the prem's best left back to be fair... Looks tricky and pacy. I think we will do much better against Villa, my only real worry at the moment is our man Perch, he will be pinpointed by other teams as a weakness and I hope he gets confidence. Should have been sent off last night for the foul when through on goal, he did much the same against PSV when I watched him then, panicks too much... He will get better (optomism taking over)!!! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Posted August 17, 2010 Share Posted August 17, 2010 Nolan was comfortably our worst player ffs. What did he do? Atleast Perch had a respectable 2nd half and Smith was actively involved in the game. Very generous to Perch there. Was nowhere for their 3rd. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Crooks Posted August 17, 2010 Share Posted August 17, 2010 Dont understand why Nolan is getting alot of stick here. There were worse players on the pitch than him that stopped him getting involved in the game, Perch, Smith and Jonas for starters. Just another player yous can all whine about. The likes of Perch (I'm giving the lad a chance) and Jonas weren't part of the reason we went down in the first place. Play with players as immobile as Nolan and to a lesser extent Smith and you're asking to struggle in this league. Very much part of the reason it was a cakewalk for Man U last night and why much of play was well in our own half. Should a decent CM sign I would have no problem with the latter two names just mentioned being jettisoned. Championship quality at best. The reason it was so easy for them is because they are one of the best sides in europe and we are not. Pretty simple really. Much of our play was in out own half because we were just hoofing it in any direction hoping for Carroll to bring it down and bring Nolan into play. Doesnt help when you have idiots like Smith and Jonas giving away stupid fouls and trying to take on the whole side. The fact that they are vastly superior goes without saying. The fact we have a poor midfield serves only to amplify that. Tbh the only thing that will 'bring Nolan into play' has to be himself. If he has to rely solely on Smith not giving away last ditch fouls and Jonas not trying to take folk on (?!!) then is really going to be of use this season? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ponsaelius Posted August 17, 2010 Share Posted August 17, 2010 Carroll was running onto his own fucking flick ons because Nolan is so bloody immobile. Fucking waste of time. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cheshire Mag Posted August 17, 2010 Share Posted August 17, 2010 Due to his limited ability Nolan isnt going to be able to bring himself into play, he will need some help, last night he had no help. Jonas was just totally rediculous last night. Ample opportunities to pass but he decided to keep on running and get swamped out and lose the ball, every single time. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SEMTEX Posted August 17, 2010 Share Posted August 17, 2010 People need to learn to stop trying to justify the performances of Alan Smith based upon the fact that you noticed he was on the pitch. That is a total cows opinion tbh. It's because of such lack of midfield quality that Nolan et al. go unnoticed. Not that I actually think Fatty Nolan is good like. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGuv Posted August 17, 2010 Share Posted August 17, 2010 Carroll was running onto his own f***ing flick ons because Nolan is so bloody immobile. f***ing waste of time. That was infuriating. After just 10minutes i was frustarted with the amount of space we gacve them around the box and in midfield. Yes sit deep, if its the game plan, but don't invite the pressure on every time we lose the ball. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shearergol Posted August 17, 2010 Share Posted August 17, 2010 Due to his limited ability Nolan isnt going to be able to bring himself into play, he will need some help, last night he had no help. Jonas was just totally rediculous last night. Ample opportunities to pass but he decided to keep on running and get swamped out and lose the ball, every single time. So you're judging his performance on his ability, rather than his actual performance? So if I'd have played, I wouldn't have been the worst player because it was expected that the other players would help me out? Actually, if I'd have played in the same team as Nolan, I wouldn't have been the worst player. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Crooks Posted August 17, 2010 Share Posted August 17, 2010 Due to his limited ability Nolan isnt going to be able to bring himself into play, he will need some help, last night he had no help. Jonas was just totally rediculous last night. Ample opportunities to pass but he decided to keep on running and get swamped out and lose the ball, every single time. This is the crux. He's not good enough. At all Turning up for two minutes of a game with a decent strike got us far last season. Time to get move on. quickly. Keegan knew the importance of knowing the difference but thats a different kettle o' fish entirely. Blaming it on other players such as Jonas who have to make up for his inability to do seemingly anything going on last night is ridiculous. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
buzza Posted August 17, 2010 Share Posted August 17, 2010 Jonas tried to get going but he looked a bit rusty to me, give him a couple of games and he will be back. Also Enrique didn't help out as much as usual but you can't blame him when he has to stay deeper to stop the possible counter from the red barstewards!!! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted August 17, 2010 Share Posted August 17, 2010 Certainly not the worst player on the pitch though, which is what people are making him out to be here. He might not have been the worst but he allowed Scholes to be the best. No doubt Nolan tries but he's so slow he can't hope to compete with a mobile midfield like Man U's, especially if he's got equally slow partners in Barton and Smith. You can get away with it in the Championship, in the premier you will get run down like an old dog. How the hell could it have been his fault Scholes had a good game? Nolan was just behind Carroll, keeping Scholes and Fletcher quiet was Barton and Smiths job and they failed, badly. Perch had nothing to do in the second half, the only thing Smith was involved in was giving away stupid fouls. Nolan was playing behind Carroll it's true....unfortunately it was 40 yards behind him. Effectively he was just another slow moving midfielder who was run ragged by Man U's far superior mobility. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ponsaelius Posted August 17, 2010 Share Posted August 17, 2010 Just had a deeks on RTG and Redcafe, funny the difference of opinions. Mackems calling Carroll worse than shite and that he's a 'Championship plodder', yet the Manure fans all seemed to rate him and we're pretty impressed. Red and white tinted specs or what. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest BlacknWhiteArmy Posted August 17, 2010 Share Posted August 17, 2010 Just had a deeks on RTG and Redcafe, funny the difference of opinions. Mackems calling Carroll worse than s**** and that he's a 'Championship plodder', yet the Manure fans all seemed to rate him and we're pretty impressed. Red and white tinted specs or what. Aye, couldn't resist checking out RTG. Some of the think he's alright, some think he's gash. Yesterday they were saying how they hope he's not in the team when we play them, because they don't think they can cope with him from set pieces. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Haris Vuckic Posted August 17, 2010 Share Posted August 17, 2010 The mackems can't be objective about anything. They reckon Jonas is the worst player in the league and we look like their 15 point team. The difference in the North East is Darren Bent, simple as that. They struggled to beat Birmingham at home and only scored because of an own goal and a mistakenly given penalty. I think we did ok last night given the circumstances. Every single member of Man United's bench would comfortably break our first team and If we play the way we did last night against 6-7 teams in the league it will be enough. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Haris Vuckic Posted August 17, 2010 Share Posted August 17, 2010 Bear in mind it's the same Man United that just lashed the Champions 3-1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest chris Posted August 17, 2010 Share Posted August 17, 2010 I dnt think 3-0 was that bad could of bin worse! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
David28 Posted August 17, 2010 Share Posted August 17, 2010 Thought it was a better performance than that 6-0 (I know, it was under Pearson) and that 5-1 those two years ago. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taylor Swift Posted August 17, 2010 Share Posted August 17, 2010 Nolan is a massive liability. What a fucking useless cunt. I couldn't have been more angry at that fat fuck ambling about the pitch like he's Zinedine fucking Zidane. He's a shitty midfielder with a shitty touch who can't run for fuck and offers absolutely nothing to the team when our play is not in and around the opposition box, which means he's going to be useless for half of our games this season. Jose was all right. He looked nervous and it showed in some of his wayward passes, but I thought he defender Valencia very well, which was why they barely attacked down our right. Williamson and Colo in the middle were decent as well and I thought that they both marked Berbatov and Rooney well enough, considering how Man Utd basically parked their team in our half, which was the fault of our midfielders. Our midfielders... fucking hell. Pathetic. Smith, Barton and Nolan in the middle. No touch, no composure, no movement, no urgency. Barton's set pieces were decent. I thought Carroll and Shola should have scored from his corners, so the fact that we created decent chances is a credit to him, but his hurried passes in the first half contributed to our inability to keep possession and just allowed them to up the pressure, which of course resulted in the goals. Our general play was decent. Routledge was all right. He seems to be our only outlet and against slower defenders he's going to be much more useful for us. Jonas was lazy as shit in the first half but I thought he improved in the second and again, against a weaker team he'll help us keep possession and relieve pressure. I would have taken the 3-0 before the match but I honestly thought that we could have done better considering Harper only had to make one real save (Berbatov's left-footed shot in the second half). Next Sunday can't come soon enough. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ponsaelius Posted August 17, 2010 Share Posted August 17, 2010 6-0 was an awful day, missed the first half because I was spewing up my guts and got to my seat for the second half only to see us concede 6. Ah aye and I got twatted in the back of the head by some mid-fourties Manc outside the ground. That was pleasant. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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