Ikon Posted August 6, 2013 Share Posted August 6, 2013 Still unfair to judge Mapou considering the circumstances that were when he played for us. More fair comparing the two from now on. Pardew will probably play Taylor and Colo in the beginning of the season. But if you ask me it's only a matter of time until Mbiwa get's a shot at it with Colo as CB, and after that i think it's his. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted August 6, 2013 Share Posted August 6, 2013 Taylor's just a better PL central defender than Mapou. It's not just his physical and aerial superiority. Is he shite. Unbiased Tooj on Steven Taylor. At least Mbiwa can actually stay with the player he's meant to be marking. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted August 6, 2013 Share Posted August 6, 2013 Still unfair to judge Mapou considering the circumstances that were when he played for us. More fair comparing the two from now on. Pardew will probably play Taylor and Colo in the beginning of the season. But if you ask me it's only a matter of time until Mbiwa get's a shot at it with Colo as CB, and after that i think it's his. Not with Taylor fit I don't think. Mapou is Colo's replacement, not his partner. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted August 6, 2013 Share Posted August 6, 2013 Not with Taylor fit I don't think. Mapou is Colo's replacement, not his partner. Long term I agree, but I don't see why we shouldn't play them together for a while in the meantime. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ikon Posted August 6, 2013 Share Posted August 6, 2013 Still unfair to judge Mapou considering the circumstances that were when he played for us. More fair comparing the two from now on. Pardew will probably play Taylor and Colo in the beginning of the season. But if you ask me it's only a matter of time until Mbiwa get's a shot at it with Colo as CB, and after that i think it's his. Not with Taylor fit I don't think. Mapou is Colo's replacement, not his partner. I guess we'll find out soon..... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole_Toonfan Posted August 6, 2013 Share Posted August 6, 2013 People act like the majority of goals come from set pieces and crosses. Its a very small percentage nowadays this isn't the the league it was, by putting Taylor in the team instead Mapou you are losing more than you gain i'm convinced of that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted August 6, 2013 Share Posted August 6, 2013 15% of goals come from crosses in open play. So let's call it 25% to include set-pieces. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted August 6, 2013 Share Posted August 6, 2013 People act like the majority of goals come from set pieces and crosses. Its a very small percentage nowadays this isn't the the league it was, by putting Taylor in the team instead Mapou you are losing more than you gain i'm convinced of that. Against Sunderland, Mbiwa had a hard time containing Danny Graham. What's the point in having a big strong lad like Taylor in the team if he's not going to mark the big target man? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted August 6, 2013 Share Posted August 6, 2013 Let's not count flick-ons like the one that sunk as against Stoke. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted August 6, 2013 Share Posted August 6, 2013 People act like the majority of goals come from set pieces and crosses. Its a very small percentage nowadays this isn't the the league it was, by putting Taylor in the team instead Mapou you are losing more than you gain i'm convinced of that. Against Sunderland, Mbiwa had a hard time containing Danny Graham. What's the point in having a big strong lad like Taylor in the team if he's not going to mark the big target man? Strikers often choose their CB to attack, especially if they are playing 2 up top. No coincidence Drogba always picked out Senderos Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted August 6, 2013 Share Posted August 6, 2013 We'd be making things a lot easier for teams we should be beating by starting with two CBs who lack any sort of physical presence and barely compete on set pieces. We'd concede too many goals. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted August 6, 2013 Share Posted August 6, 2013 People act like the majority of goals come from set pieces and crosses. Its a very small percentage nowadays this isn't the the league it was, by putting Taylor in the team instead Mapou you are losing more than you gain i'm convinced of that. Against Sunderland, Mbiwa had a hard time containing Danny Graham. What's the point in having a big strong lad like Taylor in the team if he's not going to mark the big target man? Danny Graham a big target man? Graham targeted Mbiwa, not a lot you can do about that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tooj Posted August 6, 2013 Share Posted August 6, 2013 Taylor's just a better PL central defender than Mapou. It's not just his physical and aerial superiority. Is he shite. Unbiased Tooj on Steven Taylor. Nop I just think that Yanga-Mbiwa is the dog's bollocks. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrettNUFC Posted August 6, 2013 Share Posted August 6, 2013 The back four picks itself and Steven Taylor is certainly not picked. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted August 6, 2013 Share Posted August 6, 2013 People act like the majority of goals come from set pieces and crosses. Its a very small percentage nowadays this isn't the the league it was, by putting Taylor in the team instead Mapou you are losing more than you gain i'm convinced of that. Against Sunderland, Mbiwa had a hard time containing Danny Graham. What's the point in having a big strong lad like Taylor in the team if he's not going to mark the big target man? Danny Graham a big target man? Graham targeted Mbiwa, not a lot you can do about that. How about detail Taylor to man mark Graham? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted August 6, 2013 Share Posted August 6, 2013 The back four picks itself and Steven Taylor is certainly not picked. Except by who's picking them. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted August 6, 2013 Share Posted August 6, 2013 People act like the majority of goals come from set pieces and crosses. Its a very small percentage nowadays this isn't the the league it was, by putting Taylor in the team instead Mapou you are losing more than you gain i'm convinced of that. Against Sunderland, Mbiwa had a hard time containing Danny Graham. What's the point in having a big strong lad like Taylor in the team if he's not going to mark the big target man? Danny Graham a big target man? Graham targeted Mbiwa, not a lot you can do about that. How about detail Taylor to man mark Graham? There's not much he can do if Danny Graham goes and puts himself onto Mapou. Is Mapou meant to run away? Are they meant to continuously swap sides? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skeletor Posted August 6, 2013 Share Posted August 6, 2013 I'm skeptical about Taylor's injury record so I've no doubts we'll be seeing Colo-MYM together a lot. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bimpy474 Posted August 6, 2013 Share Posted August 6, 2013 People act like the majority of goals come from set pieces and crosses. Its a very small percentage nowadays this isn't the the league it was, by putting Taylor in the team instead Mapou you are losing more than you gain i'm convinced of that. Against Sunderland, Mbiwa had a hard time containing Danny Graham. What's the point in having a big strong lad like Taylor in the team if he's not going to mark the big target man? Danny Graham a big target man? Graham targeted Mbiwa, not a lot you can do about that. How about detail Taylor to man mark Graham? There's not much he can do if Danny Graham goes and puts himself onto Mapou. Is Mapou meant to run away? Are they meant to continuously swap sides? Yes, they should have swapped. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted August 6, 2013 Share Posted August 6, 2013 Not easy to do that. If a striker is targeting one of the CBs you're gonna leave a man unmarked half the time by constantly trying to swap. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stifler Posted August 6, 2013 Share Posted August 6, 2013 To be honest I would be more disappointed at losing Perch than if Tiote went. I think Anita deserves his chance in the team and from what I have seen Bigi is already better than Tiote. The guy is a liability, no doubt about it, be it him being over reckless with challenges, him giving the ball away to the opposition, him passing backwards and cancelling out any attack we had going or him wasting his time shooting and shutting down Newcastle airport thanks to UFO entering air space. It's got to the point where if I see his name on the starting lineup I look to the bench to see who his replacement will be when he gets his yellow card that puts him danger of being sent off. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bimpy474 Posted August 6, 2013 Share Posted August 6, 2013 Not easy to do that. If a striker is targeting one of the CBs you're gonna leave a man unmarked half the time by constantly trying to swap. They just have to be smarter, i suppose this is where clever football brains kick in. If Graham drops on to Mapou, you put a player in front to stop that flick on. But players swapping isn't hard to do, i played and still do as a centre back (i'm 5ft 8 and good in the air for my size). But you get a much taller player target you, i swapped. It really wasn't that difficult and seeing as Pardew's tactics made the game very stop start, it shouldn't be that hard for our players. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrettNUFC Posted August 6, 2013 Share Posted August 6, 2013 I feel sorry for anyone who thinks Steven Taylor is a better player than MYM. I'm not even someone who gives Taylor loads of stick, i just think he's slightly above average but never reached the potential he did have. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted August 6, 2013 Share Posted August 6, 2013 I supposed you're another one who's seen loads of MYM in France. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tooj Posted August 6, 2013 Share Posted August 6, 2013 His flat-mate was from Montpellier iirc. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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