Mick Posted November 11, 2012 Share Posted November 11, 2012 Tron- I think it's perfectly fair to apportion "some" blame on our senior players who consistently put in poor performances. Cisse, Cabaye and Tiote have been, by and large, garbage this season and deserve their arses kicking for it. Those three are pivotal to our team and have shown they can do it in the past but their collective form is not acceptable. Don't get me wrong I do hold AP culpable as the manager but there's not a single thing wrong saying some of his players are letting him down game after game. Going by what you say, people would think all of our players are shit and being managed by a top manager. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lush Vlad Posted November 11, 2012 Share Posted November 11, 2012 I don't think Diame would have took the piss and walked through the middle of the pitch if Tiote was playing today. I think people massively underestimate his contribution. Even when he's having a bad game, he presses, looks for the ball, tries to actually pass and covers a lot of ground. He can be a liability, but he's a bully and we miss him when he's not playing. Especially when we persist with this horrible formation. We bypassed the midfield a lot today, but at the same time, they were non existent for large spells. Too powder puff and lightweight. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest BooBoo Posted November 11, 2012 Share Posted November 11, 2012 Twaddle. We've got some good players, some of whom- Colo, Taylor, HBA, Santon and Krul who have done their bit this season. The trio I've named have not and I'm fed up of people excusing half hearted performances by them with "oh it's Pardews fault." If that's the case then surely it was Pardew who should take the bulk of the credit for Cisse's amazing form last year, as opposed to the player himself. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wullie Posted November 11, 2012 Share Posted November 11, 2012 I have no problem with Pardew taking some credit for Cisse's form last season but he has not played the system that Cisse thrived in once this season - of course he has to take the responsibility for that. We won six games on the spin then he bins it forever - if it was any other manager than Pardew you'd say that was bizarre and unacceptable. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted November 11, 2012 Share Posted November 11, 2012 Twaddle. We've got some good players, some of whom- Colo, Taylor, HBA, Santon and Krul who have done their bit this season. The trio I've named have not and I'm fed up of people excusing half hearted performances by them with "oh it's Pardews fault." If that's the case then surely it was Pardew who should take the bulk of the credit for Cisse's amazing form last year, as opposed to the player himself. Cisse and Pardew should both take credit for his performances last season because we played to his strengths and he played out of his skin. He was never going to perform like that all of the time but this season has seen his position in the team change beyond recognition and that isn't down to Cisse. Cisse's had some poor luck but this season isn't anything like the team that played for most of the 2nd half of last season. The worst thing is, most of the players are the same yet we're miles away from where we were when Cisse first arrived. The three players you mention are suffering because of the way that we are playing, you could say they should be able to adapt but the whole team are suffering except for Ba and Santon. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Dontooner Posted November 17, 2012 Share Posted November 17, 2012 Tiote is Made to hold the Midfield in the Middle, Bossed it all game. 4-3-3 will work particularly well for him. Class player Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Venkman Posted November 17, 2012 Share Posted November 17, 2012 Danny Graham just walks past him in the build up to their second goal while Tiote stares at the ball, unacceptable. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deuce Posted November 17, 2012 Share Posted November 17, 2012 Tiote is Made to hold the Midfield in the Middle, Bossed it all game. 4-3-3 will work particularly well for him. Class player Too bad we don't play 4-3-3 though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest BooBoo Posted November 17, 2012 Share Posted November 17, 2012 Predictably, he contributed precisely nothing. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest firetotheworks Posted November 17, 2012 Share Posted November 17, 2012 Predictably, he contributed precisely nothing. Ah wey, at least you can relate. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted November 17, 2012 Share Posted November 17, 2012 I do like Cheick, but I'd sell him if a good offer comes in. The midfield needs a complete transformation. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dyeyzzon Posted November 17, 2012 Share Posted November 17, 2012 Predictably, he contributed precisely nothing. He contributed the ball to Swansea time and time again tbf. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Venkman Posted November 17, 2012 Share Posted November 17, 2012 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted November 17, 2012 Share Posted November 17, 2012 Thought he did alright considering he was on his own. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sifu Posted November 17, 2012 Share Posted November 17, 2012 Seemed to be a lot more disciplined today anyway. A few fouls here and there but nothing completely stupid. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
eliassenfredrik Posted November 17, 2012 Share Posted November 17, 2012 Thought he did alright considering he was on his own. This. His presence is vital. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dyeyzzon Posted November 17, 2012 Share Posted November 17, 2012 Seemed to be a lot more disciplined today anyway. A few fouls here and there but nothing completely stupid. No booking. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bimpy474 Posted November 17, 2012 Share Posted November 17, 2012 I do like Cheick, but I'd sell him if a good offer comes in. The midfield needs a complete transformation. Problem for me with him is, he is expected to create as well as win it. If Pardew would just play three in there we would see Cheick at his best. Winning it and giving to Cabaye and ............ . I know he is a better passer than he showed today but his game isn't creating, its destroying and turning over possession. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deuce Posted November 17, 2012 Share Posted November 17, 2012 I do like Cheick, but I'd sell him if a good offer comes in. The midfield needs a complete transformation. Problem for me with him is, he is expected to create as well as win it. If Pardew would just play three in there we would see Cheick at his best. Winning it and giving to Cabaye and ............ . I know he is a better passer than he showed today but his game isn't creating, its destroying and turning over possession. I'll fill in the blank for you...Anita. The answer's always been Anita. Let the men play in the center of the park ffs. Tiote --> Anita --> Cabaye Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest BooBoo Posted November 17, 2012 Share Posted November 17, 2012 He's worth about £12 million and that money could restructute the side. A complete no brainer. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bimpy474 Posted November 17, 2012 Share Posted November 17, 2012 I do like Cheick, but I'd sell him if a good offer comes in. The midfield needs a complete transformation. Problem for me with him is, he is expected to create as well as win it. If Pardew would just play three in there we would see Cheick at his best. Winning it and giving to Cabaye and ............ . I know he is a better passer than he showed today but his game isn't creating, its destroying and turning over possession. I'll fill in the blank for you...Anita. The answer's always been Anita. Let the men play in the center of the park ffs. Tiote --> Anita --> Cabaye Mmmmm yes. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bimpy474 Posted November 17, 2012 Share Posted November 17, 2012 He's worth about £12 million and that money could restructute the side. A complete no brainer. Quite but wont happen, we would buy someone for peanuts and buy a £10m fire engine to go with our borehole. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Venkman Posted November 17, 2012 Share Posted November 17, 2012 He's worth about £12 million and that money could restructute the side. A complete no brainer. How much are we left with once we've replaced Tiote? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bimpy474 Posted November 17, 2012 Share Posted November 17, 2012 He's worth about £12 million and that money could restructute the side. A complete no brainer. How much are we left with once we've replaced Tiote? £11.75M. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pilko Posted November 17, 2012 Share Posted November 17, 2012 Despite the result I thought he looked in much better fettle today. Should never shoot though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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