Steven Taylor (now retired)

[Ronaldo]

That's why everyone went insane when we replaced Williamson with MYM.

[Rich]

http://img96.imageshack.us/img96/9370/7c3a0847a5994ef3806777e.png

 

 

Excellent work sir.

 

http://www.newcastle-online.org/nufcforum/index.php/topic,67173.msg4175270.html#msg4175270

 

Can't take credit, was originally from there

 

Agree that Coloccini is the key by the way, the others look like different players alongside him.

[Mole_Toonfan]

I'd rather Williamson than Taylor at the moment tbh, he might be as athletic as a snail but at least he doesn't have the positional sense of a epileptic rat under some strobe lights.

 

I fully realise no one will agree with this but i don't really care tbh.

 

And at least Williamson knows that he's a limited footballer and plays accordingly, Taylor thinks he's f***ing Roy of the Rovers.

 

My main thinking was that West Ham have close to zero pace and we need someone to compete aerially with Carroll but aye that too.

[TRon]

That's why everyone went insane when we replaced Williamson with MYM.

 

MYM looked good with Colo on the one occasion I saw them play together.

[Tooj]

Said last week he needs a rest, looks mentally tired.

He's not French though.

[loki679]

He was shite but I can't really bring myself to blame the players 100%.  Yes, they were rubbish and must take some of the blame but right now we're complaining the windows are dirty while the walls are falling down.

[Geordie Ahmed]

Lol at those wanting Williamson, short memories. Williamson is poor and Carroll would destroy him

[Guest Mantis]

Lol at those wanting Williamson, short memories. Williamson is poor and Carroll would destroy him

 

Williamson is the last player this team needs.

[oldtype]

Taylor's better than Williamson and is the only player we've got who's guaranteed to give a shit until the bitter end. Certainly wouldn't drop him unless Colo decides to play again.

[Guest strongbow69]

He was shite but I can't really bring myself to blame the players 100%.  Yes, they were rubbish and must take some of the blame but right now we're complaining the windows are dirty while the walls are falling down.

excellent analogy

[Guest bimpy474]

Whoever says Williamson needs a slap.

[Rich]

Coloccini and MYM. What a match they'll be for Carroll, Remy and Giroud.

 

No thanks.

 

 

Taylor is no better, Carroll would eat him alive.

 

We'd be better off with Williamson than Taylor to go against Carroll IMO. Taylor doesn't man mark players so he's not likely to be up against Carroll in any case. He'll probably be running back towards the goal and try and block it on the line.

 

It was this guy bimpy. Get him.

[Cajun]

Whoever says Williamson needs a slap.

 

Have we really come to Williamson replacing Taylor? The fans are going to be copying the players injury wise with all this kneejerking at the moment

[Guest bimpy474]

Coloccini and MYM. What a match they'll be for Carroll, Remy and Giroud.

 

No thanks.

 

 

Taylor is no better, Carroll would eat him alive.

 

We'd be better off with Williamson than Taylor to go against Carroll IMO. Taylor doesn't man mark players so he's not likely to be up against Carroll in any case. He'll probably be running back towards the goal and try and block it on the line.

 

It was this guy bimpy. Get him.

 

I shall unleash the hound.......

[Guest bimpy474]

Whoever says Williamson needs a slap.

 

Have we really come to Williamson replacing Taylor? The fans are going to be copying the players injury wise with all this kneejerking at the moment

 

Madness to even consider him, rank bad player. Tbf probably wouldn't look out of place in our team at the moment

[TRon]

Whoever says Williamson needs a slap.

 

Have we really come to Williamson replacing Taylor? The fans are going to be copying the players injury wise with all this kneejerking at the moment

 

At least Williamson would challenge Carroll in the air next week. Taylor would probably leave him to Colo or MYM and run towards the goal line to try and pull off a spectacular last ditch save.

[Dokko]

Said last week he needs a rest, looks mentally tired.

He's not French though.

 

As always I call it how i see it, I don't have agenda like some (not a dig at you btw) though 7 French players yesterday, 6-0, but that's for another thread.

 

Taylor needs colo back, he needs a stronger (mentally) partner next to him to help him out. I thought we'd be ok without colo, as a player and a captain, can't believe I was that spectacularly wrong about both.

[Tooj]

Said last week he needs a rest, looks mentally tired.

He's not French though.

 

As always I call it how i see it, I don't have agenda like some (not a dig at you btw) though 7 French players yesterday, 6-0, but that's for another thread.

 

Taylor needs colo back, he needs a stronger (mentally) partner next to him to help him out. I thought we'd be ok without colo, as a player and a captain, can't believe I was that spectacularly wrong about both.

 

The thing is though Taylor is now 27 so should be at his peak years so I think we shouldn't be saying things like he needs a stronger partner next to him mentality wise as at his age he should be able to cope. Quite worrying if that's the case like.

 

A lot of people thought that about Colo mind so it wasn't just yourself.

[joeyt]

Could have driven a tank through the gap between him and MYM yesterday

[Thespence]

"It's a sick feeling. At this moment in time, it feels like a family member has died, if I am being honest with you," Taylor said

 

http://tyneandwear.sky.com/newcastleunited/article/65270/steven-taylor-liverpool-defeat-feels-like-a-family-member-has

[huss9]

feel taylor has been getting a bit cocky lately. just a couple of weeks ago he was saying we were too good to go down. does he not remember last time?

[Dokko]

Said last week he needs a rest, looks mentally tired.

He's not French though.

 

As always I call it how i see it, I don't have agenda like some (not a dig at you btw) though 7 French players yesterday, 6-0, but that's for another thread.

 

Taylor needs colo back, he needs a stronger (mentally) partner next to him to help him out. I thought we'd be ok without colo, as a player and a captain, can't believe I was that spectacularly wrong about both.

 

The thing is though Taylor is now 27 so should be at his peak years so I think we shouldn't be saying things like he needs a stronger partner next to him mentality wise as at his age he should be able to cope. Quite worrying if that's the case like.

 

A lot of people thought that about Colo mind so it wasn't just yourself.

 

I know, at a shame but its true. For the first few years we botched his education and in the last few years injuiries have kept him out for long spells, that with him not bring the brightest means he actually plays like a 23-24 year old. Doesn't mean he's a bad player, just immature and for a defenders, especially a central one its a major flaw.

 

He feeds off colo, we all know that I just didnt realise how much until the last few games, he's on edge all the way through and needs a claiming influence near him. It's not Mbiwas fault, he's young, just moved and trying to settle, it's tough going for the pairing especially when the two big players of Cabaye and Tiote have misfired so badly hen they've played.

[oldtype]

He plays quite well when we're good and plays terribly when we're shit. It's not rocket science.

 

He's clearly one of the symptoms, not one of the causes.

[biggs]

Fed up with the hand gestures,ffs just get on with tackling and looking for offside all the time

[tmonkey]

IMO since his return from injury we've conceded a bucketload of goals where Saylor has contributed massively to the poor overall levels of defending by e.g. leaving ridiculous gaps all over the pitch, backing off and watching the play develop in front of him, hoping to get a cheap interception in or to throw his body in the way when the final pass/shot is made, etc etc. For me his "good" games have been those where the gamble has paid off, but ultimately at this level we just can't afford to have a defender in the first team who defends in this manner.

 

I'm also getting sick of him being so deceptively s*** in the air. His headed clearances will go straight to an opposition player 99% of the time, and if he's up against a big target man he seems to just faff around putting in a weak challenge. On top of this, he ha now started to run into a "false keeper" position, i.e. shirking his marking responsibilities and positioning himself in front of his own keeper as a sort of initial shield - it flabberghasts me as to how he's getting away with this.

 

Take for example some of the goals yesterday:

 

1st goal:

 

http://imageshack.us/a/img20/835/saylor1.jpg

 

Saylor runs back a few yards for no reason at all into the "false keeper" position. Haidara may have played Agger on, but it was very tight and plenty of times the linesman will call it because by the time the ball is slightly in mid air the attacking player looks offside. Saylor running back to that position basically ensured there was no possibilty of an offside being called.

 

2nd goal:

 

http://imageshack.us/a/img837/2416/salyor2.jpg

 

When the ball gets kicked by Reina and by the time Sturridge lays it off, Saylor has dropped about 10 yards deep for absolutely no reason, with noone anywhere close to him. The amount of space he's leaving, and the opportunities he's providing to the opposition, is ridiculous. It's akin to a boxer standing in front of his opponent, chin out, arms by his side, saying "go on, give me your best shot", and then trying to deal with things from that moment onwards.

 

3rd goal:

 

http://imageshack.us/a/img197/9240/saylor31.jpg

 

http://imageshack.us/a/img824/9788/saylor32.jpg

 

http://imageshack.us/a/img823/111/saylor33.jpg

 

The absolute worst of Saylor. Look at him. Just look at him backing off as Coutinho carries the ball forward unchallenged from the half way line to our penalty box - Saylor is backing off so much that he turns his back on Coutinho and ends up moonwalking backwards towards our penalty box, whilst MYM forgets the man behind him and decides to try to close Coutinho down because Saylor won't. Beyond pathetic. That was the goal which killed the tie off, as at 0-2 we were pressing them back into their own half and looking to actually do something. I appreciate it's normal for good defenders to back off a bit, but they're always much tighter when they do it, and the idea has always been to force the attacker to go down the route they don't want to go before getting the tackle/block in. Saylor just allows the opposition player to do whatever he wants

 

4th, 5th, 6th goals - doesn't matter anymore as the players have given up.

 

IMO the instances highlighted above are entirely about the style of Saylor's defending, i.e. he has consistently been doing the above throughout this season (and even last, though having Krul is great form papered over some of those cracks), and are to do with flaws in his makeup, so this isn't a case of singling him out for criticism after another horrendous result (he wasn't even close to our worst player to be fair). By contrast, MYM has been pretty disappointing with the mistakes and all-round naivety at times, but at least he tries to snuff the danger out, and doesn't hide - unlike Saylor. To be frank, sometimes I think Saylor is at the same level as Danny Simpson, i.e. they might ocassionally look decent in the Premiership depending on who the opposition have, but the rest of the time they're major liabilities not up to facing Premiership opposition week in week out, and will let the team suffer as they hide.