Shola Ameobi

[James]

Shola at the World Cup was a landmark period of the game.

 

Would have been for England if not for Souness.

[Dinho lad]

And I certainly don't believe the significance of this 'he's played with pain for so many years' excuse! The older he got, the bulkier he became! Even now he still has a class physique. 

 

He bulked up to become a bit of a battering ram, if he couldn’t be mobile he could be physical. Even Pardew once put him in for that purpose alone, to rough defenders up and be our battering ram.

 

You can’t blame Shola for taking injections to play, he just wanted to play and we all know footballers are subordinate in the main so whatever their manager tells them, they’ll do.

 

I have never quite understood the stick he used to get. My own frustration come with the idiots who would continually play him or give him new deals and not the player himself who gave his all as limited as that often was.

 

Unlike many better players than him to have played for us, he gave us some great moments.

 

Bullshit. That's not consistent with someone who apparently had to be on injections for so long.

 

Sick of fuckers defending and hero culting him. He was fucking shit. We had to put for 14 years of his shitness, of course I'm going to criticise him.

[Guest Howaythetoon]

And I certainly don't believe the significance of this 'he's played with pain for so many years' excuse! The older he got, the bulkier he became! Even now he still has a class physique. 

 

He bulked up to become a bit of a battering ram, if he couldn’t be mobile he could be physical. Even Pardew once put him in for that purpose alone, to rough defenders up and be our battering ram.

 

You can’t blame Shola for taking injections to play, he just wanted to play and we all know footballers are subordinate in the main so whatever their manager tells them, they’ll do.

 

I have never quite understood the stick he used to get. My own frustration come with the idiots who would continually play him or give him new deals and not the player himself who gave his all as limited as that often was.

 

Unlike many better players than him to have played for us, he gave us some great moments.

 

Bullshit. That's not consistent with someone who apparently had to be on injections for so long.

 

Sick of f***ers defending and hero culting him. He was f***ing s***. We had to put for 14 years of his shitness, of course I'm going to criticise him.

 

It’s the truth, he bulked up to become more physical as his mobility waned. No one is defending him for being s*** by the way, not me anyway, as he was s***. Just not in the kind of league you’d put far more s*** players we’ve had to justify at times which bordered on abuse and hatred of him, on here and on the stands.

[Papavasiliou]

I can’t remember who it was against, but I remember a time when Shola brought down a long ball on his chest, dropped it to his feet, turned his man and then proceeded to basically fall over with the ball going back to the opposition. Claps to jeers in seconds,sums him up

 

Pretty sure he did that at least twice a game every time he got on the pitch.

[Dinho lad]

And I certainly don't believe the significance of this 'he's played with pain for so many years' excuse! The older he got, the bulkier he became! Even now he still has a class physique. 

 

He bulked up to become a bit of a battering ram, if he couldn’t be mobile he could be physical. Even Pardew once put him in for that purpose alone, to rough defenders up and be our battering ram.

 

You can’t blame Shola for taking injections to play, he just wanted to play and we all know footballers are subordinate in the main so whatever their manager tells them, they’ll do.

 

I have never quite understood the stick he used to get. My own frustration come with the idiots who would continually play him or give him new deals and not the player himself who gave his all as limited as that often was.

 

Unlike many better players than him to have played for us, he gave us some great moments.

 

Bullshit. That's not consistent with someone who apparently had to be on injections for so long.

 

Sick of f***ers defending and hero culting him. He was f***ing s***. We had to put for 14 years of his shitness, of course I'm going to criticise him.

 

It’s the truth, he bulked up to become more physical as his mobility waned. No one is defending him for being s*** by the way, not me anyway, as he was s***. Just not in the kind of league you’d put far more s*** players we’ve had to justify at times which bordered on abuse and hatred of him, on here and on the stands.

 

That's still inconsistent with your story of him playing with pain/injections, as bulking up takes a lot of hard work in the gym that inevitably puts more stress on your joints.

 

You don't go from playing with pain at the weekend to training hard with weights during the week if you are on injection. That's a load of bullshit.

 

Far more shit players we had to justify at times? Yeah? Who are they? And for 14 years?

 

 

[James]

And I certainly don't believe the significance of this 'he's played with pain for so many years' excuse! The older he got, the bulkier he became! Even now he still has a class physique. 

 

He bulked up to become a bit of a battering ram, if he couldn’t be mobile he could be physical. Even Pardew once put him in for that purpose alone, to rough defenders up and be our battering ram.

 

You can’t blame Shola for taking injections to play, he just wanted to play and we all know footballers are subordinate in the main so whatever their manager tells them, they’ll do.

 

I have never quite understood the stick he used to get. My own frustration come with the idiots who would continually play him or give him new deals and not the player himself who gave his all as limited as that often was.

 

Unlike many better players than him to have played for us, he gave us some great moments.

 

Bullshit. That's not consistent with someone who apparently had to be on injections for so long.

 

Sick of f***ers defending and hero culting him. He was f***ing s***. We had to put for 14 years of his shitness, of course I'm going to criticise him.

 

It’s the truth, he bulked up to become more physical as his mobility waned. No one is defending him for being s*** by the way, not me anyway, as he was s***. Just not in the kind of league you’d put far more s*** players we’ve had to justify at times which bordered on abuse and hatred of him, on here and on the stands.

 

That's still inconsistent with your story of him playing with pain/injections, as bulking up takes a lot of hard work in the gym that inevitably puts more stress on your joints.

 

You don't go from playing with pain at the weekend to training hard with weights during the week if you are on injection. That's a load of bullshit.

 

Far more shit players we had to justify at times? Yeah? Who are they? And for 14 years?

 

He is not saying he bulked up while having the injections.

 

This happened once Roeder figured out what was going on and sent him off for a hip operation. Shola then came back with a lot less mobility so bulking up was essential and the hip repaired as well as possible could now sustain that.

[James]

FFS the lad was 21 when Robson got sacked. 21!

 

In that time he scored 25 goals in 51 starts. Including Champions League games.

 

Genuinely 1 in 2 at 21.

 

The year by year progression under Robson was clear.

 

And then Souness comes and makes him play on the wing instead of Robert. With a dodgy leg.

 

We will never know what might have been but I personally think we lost out. Not just with Shola really but a number of younger players Robson had been developing.

[Guest Howaythetoon]

And I certainly don't believe the significance of this 'he's played with pain for so many years' excuse! The older he got, the bulkier he became! Even now he still has a class physique. 

 

He bulked up to become a bit of a battering ram, if he couldn’t be mobile he could be physical. Even Pardew once put him in for that purpose alone, to rough defenders up and be our battering ram.

 

You can’t blame Shola for taking injections to play, he just wanted to play and we all know footballers are subordinate in the main so whatever their manager tells them, they’ll do.

 

I have never quite understood the stick he used to get. My own frustration come with the idiots who would continually play him or give him new deals and not the player himself who gave his all as limited as that often was.

 

Unlike many better players than him to have played for us, he gave us some great moments.

 

Bullshit. That's not consistent with someone who apparently had to be on injections for so long.

 

Sick of f***ers defending and hero culting him. He was f***ing s***. We had to put for 14 years of his shitness, of course I'm going to criticise him.

 

It’s the truth, he bulked up to become more physical as his mobility waned. No one is defending him for being s*** by the way, not me anyway, as he was s***. Just not in the kind of league you’d put far more s*** players we’ve had to justify at times which bordered on abuse and hatred of him, on here and on the stands.

 

That's still inconsistent with your story of him playing with pain/injections, as bulking up takes a lot of hard work in the gym that inevitably puts more stress on your joints.

 

You don't go from playing with pain at the weekend to training hard with weights during the week if you are on injection. That's a load of bullshit.

 

Far more s*** players we had to justify at times? Yeah? Who are they? And for 14 years?

 

 

 

Fucking hell your an angry man

 

He did play with injections and with a hip problem. He then bulked up later in his career and towards the end had to start taking injections again as his hip was basically fucked.

[xLiaaamx]

FFS the lad was 21 when Robson got sacked. 21!

 

In that time he scored 25 goals in 51 starts. Including Champions League games.

 

Genuinely 1 in 2 at 21.

 

The year by year progression under Robson was clear.

 

And then Souness comes and makes him play on the wing instead of Robert. With a dodgy leg.

 

We will never know what might have been but I personally think we lost out. Not just with Shola really but a number of younger players Robson had been developing.

 

He was born in 1981.

 

Robson was sacked in 2004.

 

Thats not 21 years.

[James]

FFS the lad was 21 when Robson got sacked. 21!

 

In that time he scored 25 goals in 51 starts. Including Champions League games.

 

Genuinely 1 in 2 at 21.

 

The year by year progression under Robson was clear.

 

And then Souness comes and makes him play on the wing instead of Robert. With a dodgy leg.

 

We will never know what might have been but I personally think we lost out. Not just with Shola really but a number of younger players Robson had been developing.

 

He was born in 1981.

 

Robson was sacked in 2004.

 

Thats not 21 years.

 

Wow an extra year. 22.

 

Anyhow someone tell me how many players at PL clubs have scored 25 goals before their 23rd birthday.

 

Or scored 25 within 50 senior starts.

 

If anyone can tell me that any random striker could achieve it then I will change my view on the level of talent Shola really had.

 

 

[xLiaaamx]

He had about 22 in over 100 appearances in all comps. This 1 in 2 narrative isn't right

[James]

He had about 22 in over 100 appearances in all comps. This 1 in 2 narrative isn't right

 

50 starts.

[triggs]

He had about 22 in over 100 appearances in all comps. This 1 in 2 narrative isn't right

 

50 starts.

How many of the goals did he get coming off the bench?

[James]

He had about 22 in over 100 appearances in all comps. This 1 in 2 narrative isn't right

 

50 starts.

How many of the goals did he get coming off the bench?

 

It’s a valid question so I’m glad you asked.

 

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[Guest]

FFS the lad was 21 when Robson got sacked. 21!

 

In that time he scored 25 goals in 51 starts. Including Champions League games.

 

Genuinely 1 in 2 at 21.

 

The year by year progression under Robson was clear.

 

And then Souness comes and makes him play on the wing instead of Robert. With a dodgy leg.

 

We will never know what might have been but I personally think we lost out. Not just with Shola really but a number of younger players Robson had been developing.

 

He was born in 1981.

 

Robson was sacked in 2004.

 

Thats not 21 years.

 

Wow an extra year. 22.

 

Anyhow someone tell me how many players at PL clubs have scored 25 goals before their 23rd birthday.

 

Or scored 25 within 50 senior starts.

 

If anyone can tell me that any random striker could achieve it then I will change my view on the level of talent Shola really had.

 

 

 

What was his Premier League record like? I know he scored in those Leverkusen (who were s****) and Barca games but I bet most of those goals were beefed out playing poorer sides in Europe.

[Unlucky Luque]

FFS the lad was 21 when Robson got sacked. 21!

 

In that time he scored 25 goals in 51 starts. Including Champions League games.

 

Genuinely 1 in 2 at 21.

 

The year by year progression under Robson was clear.

 

And then Souness comes and makes him play on the wing instead of Robert. With a dodgy leg.

 

We will never know what might have been but I personally think we lost out. Not just with Shola really but a number of younger players Robson had been developing.

 

He was born in 1981.

 

Robson was sacked in 2004.

 

Thats not 21 years.

 

Wow an extra year. 22.

 

Anyhow someone tell me how many players at PL clubs have scored 25 goals before their 23rd birthday.

 

Or scored 25 within 50 senior starts.

 

If anyone can tell me that any random striker could achieve it then I will change my view on the level of talent Shola really had.

 

 

 

What was his Premier League record like? I know he scored in those Leverkusen (who were s****) and Barca games but I bet most of those goals were beefed out playing poorer sides in Europe.

14 league goals in 89 games his four seasons before Robson was sacked. Can't be arsed to check how many were from the bench, but probably half.

[James]

FFS the lad was 21 when Robson got sacked. 21!

 

In that time he scored 25 goals in 51 starts. Including Champions League games.

 

Genuinely 1 in 2 at 21.

 

The year by year progression under Robson was clear.

 

And then Souness comes and makes him play on the wing instead of Robert. With a dodgy leg.

 

We will never know what might have been but I personally think we lost out. Not just with Shola really but a number of younger players Robson had been developing.

 

He was born in 1981.

 

Robson was sacked in 2004.

 

Thats not 21 years.

 

Wow an extra year. 22.

 

Anyhow someone tell me how many players at PL clubs have scored 25 goals before their 23rd birthday.

 

Or scored 25 within 50 senior starts.

 

If anyone can tell me that any random striker could achieve it then I will change my view on the level of talent Shola really had.

 

 

 

What was his Premier League record like? I know he scored in those Leverkusen (who were s****) and Barca games but I bet most of those goals were beefed out playing poorer sides in Europe.

14 league goals in 89 games his four seasons before Robson was sacked. Can't be arsed to check how many were from the bench, but probably half.

 

Ive already said he only scored 2 from the bench. From 51 starts it is 23 goals if you discount the two he got from the bench.

[James]

FFS the lad was 21 when Robson got sacked. 21!

 

In that time he scored 25 goals in 51 starts. Including Champions League games.

 

Genuinely 1 in 2 at 21.

 

The year by year progression under Robson was clear.

 

And then Souness comes and makes him play on the wing instead of Robert. With a dodgy leg.

 

We will never know what might have been but I personally think we lost out. Not just with Shola really but a number of younger players Robson had been developing.

 

He was born in 1981.

 

Robson was sacked in 2004.

 

Thats not 21 years.

 

Wow an extra year. 22.

 

Anyhow someone tell me how many players at PL clubs have scored 25 goals before their 23rd birthday.

 

Or scored 25 within 50 senior starts.

 

If anyone can tell me that any random striker could achieve it then I will change my view on the level of talent Shola really had.

 

 

 

What was his Premier League record like? I know he scored in those Leverkusen (who were s****) and Barca games but I bet most of those goals were beefed out playing poorer sides in Europe.

 

You can only score against what you are up against.

 

On that basis let’s just cross out a load of goals scored by the likes of Rashford, Kane and Sturridge because their opponents weren’t worthy.

 

And while we are at it let’s remove Shearer of his goal records because a) inferior opposition and b) penalties.

[Superior Acuña]

FFS the lad was 21 when Robson got sacked. 21!

 

In that time he scored 25 goals in 51 starts. Including Champions League games.

 

Genuinely 1 in 2 at 21.

 

The year by year progression under Robson was clear.

 

And then Souness comes and makes him play on the wing instead of Robert. With a dodgy leg.

 

We will never know what might have been but I personally think we lost out. Not just with Shola really but a number of younger players Robson had been developing.

 

He was born in 1981.

 

Robson was sacked in 2004.

 

Thats not 21 years.

 

Wow an extra year. 22.

 

Anyhow someone tell me how many players at PL clubs have scored 25 goals before their 23rd birthday.

 

Or scored 25 within 50 senior starts.

 

If anyone can tell me that any random striker could achieve it then I will change my view on the level of talent Shola really had.

 

 

 

What was his Premier League record like? I know he scored in those Leverkusen (who were s****) and Barca games but I bet most of those goals were beefed out playing poorer sides in Europe.

 

I always remember Leverkusen as been those shit whipping boys, but they'd gotten through the first group stage, they can't have been that bad?

[James]

Because we’ve been saying rightly that Shola is shit for years, people are to be honest in complete denial of some very credible pre-injury statistics.

 

He was a much better young player than we give him credit for.

 

It is very sad how people choose to forget because it doesn’t fit an agenda.

[AyeDubbleYoo]

He was pretty decent when he was young, and at the end he tried his all and played through some injuries for us. Yes, he should really have played for us a lot less, but that's not his fault.

[The College Dropout]

You’ve got to be a dour bastard to have a strong dislike for Shola. The last time we were good, the lad played his part.

 

Nice Geordie lad.  He lived the dream.  Ultimately was never good enough but he had some great moments. Put his body on the line when needed. Provided us with some great comedy too. 

 

Let Wor Shola live.

[Guest]

FFS the lad was 21 when Robson got sacked. 21!

 

In that time he scored 25 goals in 51 starts. Including Champions League games.

 

Genuinely 1 in 2 at 21.

 

The year by year progression under Robson was clear.

 

And then Souness comes and makes him play on the wing instead of Robert. With a dodgy leg.

 

We will never know what might have been but I personally think we lost out. Not just with Shola really but a number of younger players Robson had been developing.

 

He was born in 1981.

 

Robson was sacked in 2004.

 

Thats not 21 years.

 

Wow an extra year. 22.

 

Anyhow someone tell me how many players at PL clubs have scored 25 goals before their 23rd birthday.

 

Or scored 25 within 50 senior starts.

 

If anyone can tell me that any random striker could achieve it then I will change my view on the level of talent Shola really had.

 

 

 

What was his Premier League record like? I know he scored in those Leverkusen (who were s****) and Barca games but I bet most of those goals were beefed out playing poorer sides in Europe.

 

You can only score against what you are up against.

 

On that basis let’s just cross out a load of goals scored by the likes of Rashford, Kane and Sturridge because their opponents weren’t worthy.

 

And while we are at it let’s remove Shearer of his goal records because a) inferior opposition and b) penalties.

 

https://www.newcastle-online.org/forum/index.php?topic=39460.msg809096#msg809096

 

With Allardyce, if a youngster is good enough, he'll get to play, but if he isn't good enough he's gone.

 

Thats the way it should be, we shouldn't be playing youngsters just because they come from our academy.

 

This dream of 11 young Geordies from our academy winning trophies is a fantasy which has been a major reason for our current demise.

 

i'm not trying to start an argument with you here pal but you're kind of missing the point

 

i was asking a question about allardyce that you've ignored - in 10 years at a club he's not really brought any youngsters through has he?  certainly not what you'd expect for that amount of time...is that what we want?

 

i'm not saying all of the kids should automatically play but when they have played this season by and large they've held their own despite obviously having little in the way of coaching or help from senior professionals....

 

the fact is that whoever takes over the club will have a good group of bairns in and around the squad and i'm asking is allardyce the man to handle that?

 

i'm not saying he is or isn't just asking for more than "With Allardyce, if a youngster is good enough, he'll get to play, but if he isn't good enough he's gone." 

what evidence do you have to back that up like?  how do you know he never held up the development of a bairn to bring in one of his "foreign bargains" we hear so much about?

 

maybe you know the ins and outs of his time at bolton, if so do tell...

 

 

 

Hunt and Nolan? Two players who have come through and been significantly better than any player who has come through at newcastle in the past ten years.

What players have left Bolton and gone onto greater things? - None, sure looks like Allardyce knows what he is doing. We must not also forget that we can afford to spend ten-fold more on our academy than Bolton have been able to.

 

Please, don't be daft.

 

I'm not saying that some of our current crop wont be better than Hunt in a few years time, but Hunt has made it, he is an important player in a club that has finished 5th this season.

 

The following players have come through the ranks since 1997:

 

Ameobi

S Caldwell

G Caldwell (although he has only featured at other clubs)

Chopra

Hughes

N'Zogbia

Ramage

Taylor

 

I'm only counting players that have regularly featured for two seasons of high level matches. Edgar, Huntington and Krul are too early to judge.

 

Of the above, Taylor and Zoggy are potentially going to be better than Hunt, but Hunt is currently more established and performing more consistently.

 

So I still stand by my claims that in ten years of Allardyce, he has done better with his young players than we have in that same period.

 

where did you get the comparison with NUFC for the last 10 years??!!  never been mentioned, we're a bag of s*** and mostly always have been...there was no comparison there from me

 

i'm saying that there are players coming through NOW regardless of who is charge...and you still stand by hunt and nolan over a 10 year period do you?  in that same 10 year period, seeing as you're making comparisons, newcastle have had 5-6 managers, hardly a recipe for long-term stability is it?

 

furthermore nicky hunt is better than taylor!!! i'd stand and argue that with you all day mate

 

We overrate our own youngsters, and then five years later, we realise how rubbish they were when we see them playing for Villa reserves in a team managed by a good manager.

 

We do have 3-4 players who look like they might make it,but it is up  to the manager to assess them. We cant play them just for the sake of seeing if they can fulfil potential.

 

You got the ten year comparison because you asked what Allardyce has produced, and that is an unfair question to ask given our own record. I think i have made it clear that assuming our academy is up to scratch, Allardyce would be better at this than Keegan, Dalglish, Gullit, Robson and Souness were, and we are not in a position in which we can magically employ this fictional manager who can win trophies and play the kids at the same time.

 

I can only name two recent examples for Allardyce, as I have not been minutely following Bolton over the last ten years. I can be certain though that now player has slipped the net.

 

Nicky Hunt and Steven Taylor are at two different stages of their development, and given that Taylor remains very tactically inexperienced, especially at set-pieces, Hunt currently edges Taylor, although I'd like to see both in a Newcastle back four next season.

 

I'm sure that if Allardyce had had Taylor over the past two seasons, Taylor would be in the England squad. If anyone can get performances out of our young defenders, Allardyce can, so given that Edgar, and Huntington have both had their chances, if Allardyce has seen potential in them, he'd be a very good choice of manager in order to get the best out of them.

 

You'll get to that stage one day.

 

 

[Pilko]

Imagine being thick enough to try and talk up Shola.

[loki679]

I love Shola, he's mint.  Possibly some slight question marks over his suitability as a PL striker but he had a great chest pass on him and his escapades in the innovative fruit and bicycle combination field were ground breaking.