Kevin Keegan's switch to Toon remains England's most sensational transfer ever?

[Guest malandro]

KK was and remains the single biggest positive influence in NUFC’s history.  It’s hard to think of another person who has transformed a club to such an extent.  Cruyff at Ajax. Clough at Forest. Shankley at Liverpool. What KK achieved at Newcastle might fall just short of what these giants of the game accomplished, but he should be respected for what he did for our club. 

[summerof69]

And i always assumed that when kk signed he was on his last legs. I didn't realise he was still a world class player.

[Cronky]

KK was and remains the single biggest positive influence in NUFCs history.  Its hard to think of another person who has transformed a club to such an extent.  Cruyff at Ajax. Clough at Forest. Shankley at Liverpool. What KK achieved at Newcastle might fall just short of what these giants of the game accomplished, but he should be respected for what he did for our club. 

 

Christ, I know I shouldn't respond, but 'fall just short?' Take a look at the trophy record of the three men that you've named there.

[Guest BooBoo]

Yes it's a silly comparison and I'd say Joe Harvey was a far greater influence in terms of success as a player and manager.

[Yorkie]

I don't know the context of the club when the likes of Harvey came in, but surely Keegan is right right up there. Had we dropped down to the third division - who knows what the last twenty years would have been like?

[Guest malandro]

KK was and remains the single biggest positive influence in NUFC’s history.  It’s hard to think of another person who has transformed a club to such an extent.  Cruyff at Ajax. Clough at Forest. Shankley at Liverpool. What KK achieved at Newcastle might fall just short of what these giants of the game accomplished, but he should be respected for what he did for our club. 

 

Christ, I know I shouldn't respond, but 'fall just short?' Take a look at the trophy record of the three men that you've named there.

It’s a fair cop  , though you do have to consider the context. It was a lot easier to win stuff when Shankley was doing his stuff. Ditto Clough, and Cruyff had Rinus Michels.  We were a Woan / Fenton goal away from taking the final step, but fell just short. On such fine margins dynasties can rise or flounder. SAF was a Robins goal way from the sack. If some no mark Barnsley player had scored the goal of his career that night the last 25 years at OT might have been very different.

 

I was just trying to illustrate that the only people who have had a greater impact on a club’s fortunes are few and far between.

 

[Guest malandro]

Yes it's a silly comparison and I'd say Joe Harvey was a far greater influence in terms of success as a player and manager.

Perhaps, perhaps not. NUFC was in major decline before KK signed. The ground was falling to bits and crowds were dwindling away to nowt. I’m fairly certain the season before KK signed we recorded our lowest ever average league attendance, there were certainly plenty of games when we were only getting 10-11k coming through the turnstiles. Keegan restored the clubs believe. Harvey didn’t have that obstacle to overcome?

[80]

Keegan's times here are what still see people like Ben Arfa talking about our club, its fans, reputation and history like it means something. Given how little he achieved in terms of silverware, as well as all the bollocks we've endured since 1997, that's impressive.

[merlin]

It was a fantastic coup and we were all stunned but delighted.

 

Wasn't as surprised as some because he had always mentioned his Dad's affection for NUFC as the family came from the NE, but to sign him when he was still England captain was fantastic.

 

The noise at his debut, esp when he scored against QPR, had to be heard to be believed.

 

He was a great signing and a great influence on the club and its young players but once the job was done, he was quite happy to leave when he realised Arthur Cox was not going to get much funding from the board....I think he had had enough for a while anyway because he retired to Spain for 8 years until he came back as manager in Feb 92. His return then was just as important because it established the club as

a Premiership force within 2 years and made us punch our weight although he wouldn't have returned if the old board had been in place.

 

Will always be a major figure in the club's history for what he achieved but in terms of trophies, you have to say that Joe Harvey was more influential ; he won silverware with the club as both player and manager.

 

There is no way you can equate what KK did at NUFC in the same level as Shankly did for Liverpool or Brian Clough for Derby and Forest because Shanks built(and left)a dynasty whereas KK's side were on the verge of major surgery when he resigned. Also, Bob Paisley was able to take over at Liverpool and lead them to better things whereas NUFC went backwards...and it wasn't all Dalglish's fault either....

 

Interestingly, Peter Robinson, Liverpool's legendary Chief exec under Shanks and Paisley once said that they also had considered KK to be a decent future manager....

[merlin]

Yes it's a silly comparison and I'd say Joe Harvey was a far greater influence in terms of success as a player and manager.

Perhaps, perhaps not. NUFC was in major decline before KK signed. The ground was falling to bits and crowds were dwindling away to nowt. I’m fairly certain the season before KK signed we recorded our lowest ever average league attendance, there were certainly plenty of games when we were only getting 10-11k coming through the turnstiles. Keegan restored the clubs believe. Harvey didn’t have that obstacle to overcome?

 

Wrong - NUFC weren't QUITE in such a state as were LIverpool when Shanks joined them, but they WERE

in a mess..Harvey had to rebuild the side to get promotion from Div 2 and then rebuild it again to survive.

After he brought through the FA Youth Cup winning youngsters in Moncur, David Craig etc.he established the base of the 69 Fairs Cup winning team.

 

KK had money from SJH when he became manager, but Joe had to wheel and deal because NUFC were

skint. There had just been the minimum wage debacle with George Eastham and that cost the club Eastham's services as well as leaving a bad taste, so Joe had a tough job.

 

He wasn't perhaps as intense as KK and also relied on his coaches quite heavily(esp Keith Burkinshaw in the 70s), but he had a great eye for a player. He and Stan Seymour Snr were mainly responsible for pushing the club so strongly into signing Supermac from Luton in competition with Man U.

Harvey also wanted to sign Andy Gray when he was a 17 yr old with Dundee Utd, but the board wouldn't give him more than 100,000 and Dundee Utd wanted 110,000.

[Optimistic Nut]

Guess a modern day equivalent would have been if let's say Beckham signed for someone like Portsmouth straight from Real Madrid and then on to Forest or Derby or someone like that.

[Guest Antec]

He's a great lad

Hes a canny lad,

He's a sight for sore eyes,

Yes we've got Kevin Keegan playing for the magpies...

 

[Tsunami]

Guess a modern day equivalent would have been if let's say Beckham signed for someone like Portsmouth straight from Real Madrid and then on to Forest or Derby or someone like that.

 

More dramatic than that, we'd been relegated a few years before, we had a couple of decent players but the bulk of the team were local lads who really weren't very good. We were on the brink of becoming a Preston or the like. The ground was awful and the fans had a kind of apathy; we'd suppport the team but expectation was so low we didn't believe that we would ever amount to anything.

 

KK signed turned the course of our history; it ultimately led to him becoming Manager and that turned our history yet again.

[cp40]

Guess a modern day equivalent would have been if let's say Beckham signed for someone like Portsmouth straight from Real Madrid and then on to Forest or Derby or someone like that.

 

More dramatic than that, we'd been relegated a few years before, we had a couple of decent players but the bulk of the team were local lads who really weren't very good. We were on the brink of becoming a Preston or the like. The ground was awful and the fans had a kind of apathy; we'd suppport the team but expectation was so low we didn't believe that we would ever amount to anything.

 

KK signed turned the course of our history; it ultimately led to him becoming Manager and that turned our history yet again.

 

 

I wonder If Waddle and Beardsley would have become what they did, if They hadnt been promoted alongside KK.

[NG32]

And he still gets slagged off by people with venom.....terrible.

[cp40]

And he still gets slagged off by people with venom.....terrible.

 

 

snakes tbh.

[NG32]

And he still gets slagged off by people with venom.....terrible.

 

 

snakes tbh.

 

Snakes with scrotums.

[UV]

The ultimate trophy signing when instead what the squad needed was filling with cheap unproven youngsters.

Player on the way down looking for one last lucrative contract.

Committing sponsorship money upfront to pay for a player brought in to appease the crowd.

Upsetting the tight knit camaraderie and team spirit of the existing squad by bringing in a superstar.

 

Not read the thread, but expect this has been thoroughly criticised by most posters for being a terrible, terrible signing. Hopefully we'll never see this kind of mistake made again.

[Cronky]

And he still gets slagged off by people with venom.....terrible.

 

 

snakes tbh.

 

Snakes with scrotums.

 

Harsh.

[madras]

The ultimate trophy signing when instead what the squad needed was filling with cheap unproven youngsters.

Player on the way down looking for one last lucrative contract.

Committing sponsorship money upfront to pay for a player brought in to appease the crowd.

Upsetting the tight knit camaraderie and team spirit of the existing squad by bringing in a superstar.

 

Not read the thread, but expect this has been thoroughly criticised by most posters for being a terrible, terrible signing. Hopefully we'll never see this kind of mistake made again.

i wonder how much extra revenue the keegan signing brought in compared to say michael owen. and i think his transfer fee counts it out as a trophy signing. lets face it had keegan cost £700,000 up front it by way of his transfer fee it would never have happened, still if some want to twist it to try and make a point, let them,they'll only make themselves look silly.

[NG32]

And he still gets slagged off by people with venom.....terrible.

 

 

snakes tbh.

 

Snakes with scrotums.

 

Harsh.

 

[Dr Venkman]

The ultimate trophy signing when instead what the squad needed was filling with cheap unproven youngsters.

Player on the way down looking for one last lucrative contract.

Committing sponsorship money upfront to pay for a player brought in to appease the crowd.

Upsetting the tight knit camaraderie and team spirit of the existing squad by bringing in a superstar.

 

Not read the thread, but expect this has been thoroughly criticised by most posters for being a terrible, terrible signing. Hopefully we'll never see this kind of mistake made again.

 

any excuse to bang the drum, give it a rest man

[cp40]

The ultimate trophy signing when instead what the squad needed was filling with cheap unproven youngsters.

Player on the way down looking for one last lucrative contract.

Committing sponsorship money upfront to pay for a player brought in to appease the crowd.

Upsetting the tight knit camaraderie and team spirit of the existing squad by bringing in a superstar.

 

Not read the thread, but expect this has been thoroughly criticised by most posters for being a terrible, terrible signing. Hopefully we'll never see this kind of mistake made again.

 

any excuse to bang the drum, give it a rest man

 

 

thb, read that and thought it was a piss take looking for chomps, it was so un-believable

[Mr Logic]

The ultimate trophy signing when instead what the squad needed was filling with cheap unproven youngsters.

Player on the way down looking for one last lucrative contract.

Committing sponsorship money upfront to pay for a player brought in to appease the crowd.

Upsetting the tight knit camaraderie and team spirit of the existing squad by bringing in a superstar.

 

Not read the thread, but expect this has been thoroughly criticised by most posters for being a terrible, terrible signing. Hopefully we'll never see this kind of mistake made again.

 

any excuse to bang the drum, give it a rest man

 

 

thb, read that and thought it was a piss take looking for chomps, it was so un-believable

 

I was sure it was tongue in cheek also. You mean he was actually serious?

[BottledDog]

The ultimate trophy signing when instead what the squad needed was filling with cheap unproven youngsters.

Player on the way down looking for one last lucrative contract.

Committing sponsorship money upfront to pay for a player brought in to appease the crowd.

Upsetting the tight knit camaraderie and team spirit of the existing squad by bringing in a superstar.

 

Not read the thread, but expect this has been thoroughly criticised by most posters for being a terrible, terrible signing. Hopefully we'll never see this kind of mistake made again.

 

any excuse to bang the drum, give it a rest man

 

 

thb, read that and thought it was a piss take looking for chomps, it was so un-believable

 

I was sure it was tongue in cheek also. You mean he was actually serious?

 

Shirely not, considering UV is beyond suspicious of the clubs frugality, he's clearly just clumsily having a pop at those who aren't up in arms that we don't seem to be in for the next Keegan or big names like Owen under Shepherd anymore.

 

Personally think with Sol and Ben Arfa at different ends of the age spectrum, we are still after quality without spaffing our load unnecessarily, but, meh, whatever.