pi_D Posted November 29, 2013 Share Posted November 29, 2013 What a sad, bitter bunch of Mackems we sound like when we can't appreciate a player's decade-plus mostly outstanding service for obssessing about him losing the will at a club which had just appointed Joe f**king Kinnear. To see some older posters - who have seen countless crocks of sh*te and shameless mercenaries take this club for a real ride over the years - destroying Given is particularly sad. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hughesy Posted November 29, 2013 Share Posted November 29, 2013 I appreciate what Given did for us, but I think the way he left was always going to taint his legacy to a certain degree. I don't think he is helped by the fact that he seemed to have a propensity to sulk/ask for a transfer when he was dropped. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted November 29, 2013 Share Posted November 29, 2013 He did that once. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dokko Posted November 29, 2013 Share Posted November 29, 2013 He did that once. He did it at least twice before walking out on us. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hughesy Posted November 29, 2013 Share Posted November 29, 2013 Really? I could have sworn it happened more than once. Or he at least made noises about moving. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bimpy474 Posted November 29, 2013 Share Posted November 29, 2013 He definitely did it another time when Sir Bobby was here, he didn't get straight back in after injury because Harps was playing well and had a tantrum about it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted November 29, 2013 Share Posted November 29, 2013 City would've just gone for a different keeper, man. yip. I don't even mind the timing of it. he has to do whats best for his career aswell as any loyalty to us so I don't blame him wanting a move, it's the manner of it that narks. he's getting a good move out of it, why fucak about in order to get the extra cash (unless someone can come up with a decent expanation why he wouldn't put in a transfer request at first ie when his solicitor made the statement and he got 'injured' ?) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted November 29, 2013 Share Posted November 29, 2013 He did that once. He did it at least twice before walking out on us. No. He defintiely did it another time when Sir Bobby was here, he didn't get straight back in after injury because Harps was playing well and had a tantrum about it. Did what another time? He threw his toys out of the pram once when dropped under Bobby. He wasn't dropped after that and left almost 10 years later. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dokko Posted November 29, 2013 Share Posted November 29, 2013 Yes he did. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted November 29, 2013 Share Posted November 29, 2013 So he dreamt up that he was dropped and put in a transfer request. Aye, Ok. Waste my time with this nonsense. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dokko Posted November 29, 2013 Share Posted November 29, 2013 Wat Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BottledDog Posted November 29, 2013 Share Posted November 29, 2013 Can't believe the given hate in here tbh. Not sure what people expected off him, gave us years of good service and left for a team with CL/PL aspirations. Mad Mad? No. I have a lot of great memories of Shay, but I'm not going to defend him against people who feel let down by his actions. Tbh it's arguably more mad that you seem to show more loyalty to a player who demanded a transfer at a godawful time for us (and not for the first time), and whatever the other factors, almost certainly helped seal our fate that season. Nor does it matter much to many people (I'd suspect) that you think he went to a better club. alreet mate. When did I say it mattered to other people about city? Also at the present time and that time they were/are more aspirational. It's a discussion board, merely putting my point across. Calm down Heh, sorry. Just my opinion like. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crumpy Gunt Posted November 29, 2013 Share Posted November 29, 2013 It's my firm belief he had a deal sorted with City in advance of him finally deciding it was time to desert. Judas of the highest order. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted November 29, 2013 Share Posted November 29, 2013 Opening a massive can of whoop ass worms here, but for those saying he left at a crap time, should have stayed, would have made the difference between staying up and relegation...was it any worse to Keegan leaving? Those same criteria could all apply to him yet it's accepted he was in the right. Can't remember us being in the s*** just before Keegan left. That's my point. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole_Toonfan Posted November 29, 2013 Share Posted November 29, 2013 It's my firm belief he had a deal sorted with City in advance of him finally deciding it was time to desert. Judas of the highest order. If he was Judas of the highest order he would have left long before he did.... i don't blame him for leaving when he did at all. It left a bitter taste in my mouth at the time but you can see why he did it.... City was a team going forward and we were only going one way and that was backwards. If he wanted to just grab the money he would have left years before but he didn't.... i don't have anymore resentment towards him than i do anybody else who left at that time or the couple of years that proceeded it. Good luck to him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bimpy474 Posted November 29, 2013 Share Posted November 29, 2013 He did that once. He did it at least twice before walking out on us. No. He defintiely did it another time when Sir Bobby was here, he didn't get straight back in after injury because Harps was playing well and had a tantrum about it. Did what another time? He threw his toys out of the pram once when dropped under Bobby. He wasn't dropped after that and left almost 10 years later. I meant got all tarty about being dropped, to go with wanting to leave when he did go......wasn't really following the rest of the conversation to be honest. Still aren't really Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zero Posted November 30, 2013 Share Posted November 30, 2013 I honestly think if he was THAT good lots of teams would come in for Shay during the summer Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted November 30, 2013 Share Posted November 30, 2013 He probably knew he was past his best and at 33 this was his last chance to win something. He was dead right. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted November 30, 2013 Share Posted November 30, 2013 Opening a massive can of whoop ass worms here, but for those saying he left at a crap time, should have stayed, would have made the difference between staying up and relegation...was it any worse to Keegan leaving? Those same criteria could all apply to him yet it's accepted he was in the right. not getting the comparison, keegan left on principle, given left for more money if given had left 'cause he couldn't work with the manager or coaching staff you'd have a point, but he didn't Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted November 30, 2013 Share Posted November 30, 2013 I still think that was a major factor for Given too though. He'd stayed through shit (Souness, Roeder, Allardyce) when he could have moved. I imagine if Keegan stayed he'd not have been in such a hurry to leave. We were looking a decent side even under that regime and Keegan. He could have left long before he did, and then all of a sudden by January he was playing for Kinnear in a relegation threatened team. I'd have left in those circumstances if City were calling. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted November 30, 2013 Share Posted November 30, 2013 given left for more money Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted November 30, 2013 Share Posted November 30, 2013 given left for more money something wrong with that statement ronnie? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted November 30, 2013 Share Posted November 30, 2013 Based on total conjecture as per. how on earth do we know he was motivated by cash? I'm sure his head could've been turned a hundred times during his 2001-06 prime. There are frankly so many reasons an almost 33-year-old keeper would've left NUFC for MCFC at that point cash would probably be an afterthought to even the most ardent mercenary. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted November 30, 2013 Share Posted November 30, 2013 Based on total conjecture as per. how on earth do we know he was motivated by cash? I'm sure his head could've been turned a hundred times during his 2001-06 prime. There are frankly so many reasons an almost 33-year-old keeper would've left NUFC for MCFC at that point cash would probably be an afterthought to even the most ardent mercenary. yes, there's a lot of conjecture on your part, it's true but don't beat yourself up over it Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted November 30, 2013 Share Posted November 30, 2013 Look the word up. You're the only one it applies to. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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