SEMTEX Posted February 12, 2018 Share Posted February 12, 2018 Butland (no one is making it their own shirt mind) Walker Rose Stones Cahill Dier Wilshere Lingard Alli Rashford Kane Probably missed some obvious wingers but had a mind blank. Sterling Aye. Probably one of the only definite starters for me. The rest are all shrugtastic. Walker Alli Sterling Kane Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
54 Posted February 12, 2018 Share Posted February 12, 2018 Butland (no one is making it their own shirt mind) Walker Rose Stones Cahill Dier Wilshere Lingard Alli Rashford Kane Probably missed some obvious wingers but had a mind blank. Sterling Aye. Probably one of the only definite starters for me. The rest are all shrugtastic. Walker Alli Sterling Kane If he can recover properly, a front 4 of Lallana, Alli and Sterling just behind Kane. Could be pretty threatening. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Posted February 12, 2018 Share Posted February 12, 2018 Butland / Mackem Walker - Stones - Cahill - Bertrand Dier - Wilshere Sterling - Alli - Lallana Kane If Lallana is knacked then probably Rashford. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hithere Posted February 12, 2018 Share Posted February 12, 2018 Pickford Stones - Jones - Cahill Walker - Dier - Wilshere - Bertrand Sterling - Kane - Alli Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sbnufc Posted February 16, 2018 Share Posted February 16, 2018 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yorkie Posted February 16, 2018 Share Posted February 16, 2018 Really hope he's on the plane. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted February 16, 2018 Share Posted February 16, 2018 Really hope he's on the plane. That's kind of football these days though isn't it, people like Lascelles who are honest and have worked their knackers off to improve but he doesn't play for a top team so he'll be overlooked. Players at top clubs in the same positions who've failed time after time will be picked regardless. Modern football. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
leffe186 Posted February 16, 2018 Share Posted February 16, 2018 Really hope he's on the plane. That's kind of football these days though isn't it, people like Lascelles who are honest and have worked their knackers off to improve but he doesn't play for a top team so he'll be overlooked. Players at top clubs in the same positions who've failed time after time will be picked regardless. Modern football. I feel like that’s always been the case though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted February 16, 2018 Share Posted February 16, 2018 Really hope he's on the plane. That's kind of football these days though isn't it, people like Lascelles who are honest and have worked their knackers off to improve but he doesn't play for a top team so he'll be overlooked. Players at top clubs in the same positions who've failed time after time will be picked regardless. Modern football. I feel like that’s always been the case though. I'm not sure it was too the same degree before, too much at stake now, no one willing to take chances due to what's at stake. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
leffe186 Posted February 16, 2018 Share Posted February 16, 2018 Other factors at stake though - the concentration of top players at a handful of clubs, increased number of foreign players coupled with the stockpiling of young players. I don’t think the fundamental attitudes of England coaches have changed all that much. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Figures 1-0 Football Posted February 16, 2018 Share Posted February 16, 2018 There’s no way Lascelles can go to the World Cup when we have Phil Jones who plays for Man Yanited, despite how utterly crap he is. Impressive that Maguire has been called up and probably certain to go, despite having a very average/crap season. Just goes to show how much media hype has an effect, he’s living off the hype from last season and that matters much more than Lascelles playing well. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mbemba Youre A Womble Posted February 16, 2018 Share Posted February 16, 2018 Players outside the top six that have gone to last three tournaments.. 2016 - Heaton, Bertrand, Forster, Vardy 2014 - Forster, Lallana, Foster, Jagielka, Baines 2012 - Butland, Jagielka, Green, Baines (Martin Kelly went ) The best players of any nationality will always naturally elevate themselves to the top clubs. When you combine that with English players not going abroad for whatever reason, you'll always going to see a the same clubs make up the bulk of a national side. Obviously there are going to be exceptions, but I'd say English players playing outside the top clubs aren't actually that talented at all. There is a huge amount of total garbage playing regularly in the PL, and a lot of players that despite many seasons playing in the PL have never got near to a call up. If you look at Spainish national squad, whilst being hugely competitive, they've still been able to draw plenty of players from sides outside their big clubs. Likewise with Germany. Maybe, and hopefully it's changing now - but it's got to be a case of English clubs producing a comparatively low level of footballer. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted February 16, 2018 Share Posted February 16, 2018 Players outside the top six that have gone to last three tournaments.. 2016 - Heaton, Bertrand, Forster, Vardy 2014 - Forster, Lallana, Foster, Jagielka, Baines 2012 - Butland, Jagielka, Green, Baines (Martin Kelly went ) The best players of any nationality will always naturally elevate themselves to the top clubs. When you combine that with English players not going abroad for whatever reason, you'll always going to see a the same clubs make up the bulk of a national side. Obviously there are going to be exceptions, but I'd say English players playing outside the top clubs aren't actually that talented at all. There is a huge amount of total garbage playing regularly in the PL, and a lot of players that despite many seasons playing in the PL have never got near to a call up. If you look at Spainish national squad, whilst being hugely competitive, they've still been able to draw plenty of players from sides outside their big clubs. Likewise with Germany. Maybe, and hopefully it's changing now - but it's got to be a case of English clubs producing a comparatively low level of footballer. Your examples prove shite. Keepers don't count for a start because big clubs rarely play English keepers these days, so in the last 12 years 9 players outside of the top clubs got a seat on the plane if I'm reading that right? Proving my point if anything. EDIT: apologies I thought you were arguing a different point when I glanced at the text. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ketsbaia Posted February 16, 2018 Share Posted February 16, 2018 Wow, lots of love for Wilshere. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted February 16, 2018 Share Posted February 16, 2018 Arial Won Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tgarve Posted February 16, 2018 Share Posted February 16, 2018 Players outside the top six that have gone to last three tournaments.. 2016 - Heaton, Bertrand, Forster, Vardy 2014 - Forster, Lallana, Foster, Jagielka, Baines 2012 - Butland, Jagielka, Green, Baines (Martin Kelly went ) The best players of any nationality will always naturally elevate themselves to the top clubs. When you combine that with English players not going abroad for whatever reason, you'll always going to see a the same clubs make up the bulk of a national side. Obviously there are going to be exceptions, but I'd say English players playing outside the top clubs aren't actually that talented at all. There is a huge amount of total garbage playing regularly in the PL, and a lot of players that despite many seasons playing in the PL have never got near to a call up. If you look at Spainish national squad, whilst being hugely competitive, they've still been able to draw plenty of players from sides outside their big clubs. Likewise with Germany. Maybe, and hopefully it's changing now - but it's got to be a case of English clubs producing a comparatively low level of footballer. Your examples prove shite. Keepers don't count for a start because big clubs rarely play English keepers these days, so in the last 12 years 9 players outside of the top clubs got a seat on the plane if I'm reading that right? Proving my point if anything. EDIT: apologies I thought you were arguing a different point when I glanced at the text. Slightly confused how vardy was outside the top 6 after winning the league Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flip Posted February 17, 2018 Share Posted February 17, 2018 For some odd reason Tite has come out with his starting XI and 16 players that will be in the squad. Allison (Ederson, ?) Dani (?) - Miranda (T.Silva) - Marquinhos (?) - Marcelo (?) R. Augusto (?) - Casemiro (Fernandinho) - Paulinho (?) Coutinho (Willian) - G. Jesus (Firmino) - Neymar (?) Pretty much expected although I hope we get a surprise or two in the squad. Douglas Costa has been poor while Malcom and David Neres have done well in their leagues. That central midfield lacks creativity unless you play Coutinho there. As for Lascelles, I definitely think he should be 4th choice and in the squad. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 17, 2018 Share Posted February 17, 2018 Wow, lots of love for Wilshere. Think it's more the lack of quality behind him. Henderson, erc. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
triggs Posted February 17, 2018 Share Posted February 17, 2018 For some odd reason Tite has come out with his starting XI and 16 players that will be in the squad. Allison (Ederson, ?) Dani (?) - Miranda (T.Silva) - Marquinhos (?) - Marcelo (?) R. Augusto (?) - Casemiro (Fernandinho) - Paulinho (?) Coutinho (Willian) - G. Jesus (Firmino) - Neymar (?) Pretty much expected although I hope we get a surprise or two in the squad. Douglas Costa has been poor while Malcom and David Neres have done well in their leagues. That central midfield lacks creativity unless you play Coutinho there. As for Lascelles, I definitely think he should be 4th choice and in the squad. Haven't watched him/them much but thought Douglas Costa was canny against Spurs Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flip Posted February 17, 2018 Share Posted February 17, 2018 For some odd reason Tite has come out with his starting XI and 16 players that will be in the squad. Allison (Ederson, ?) Dani (?) - Miranda (T.Silva) - Marquinhos (?) - Marcelo (?) R. Augusto (?) - Casemiro (Fernandinho) - Paulinho (?) Coutinho (Willian) - G. Jesus (Firmino) - Neymar (?) Pretty much expected although I hope we get a surprise or two in the squad. Douglas Costa has been poor while Malcom and David Neres have done well in their leagues. That central midfield lacks creativity unless you play Coutinho there. As for Lascelles, I definitely think he should be 4th choice and in the squad. Haven't watched him/them much but thought Douglas Costa was canny against Spurs Don't really agree, thought he started very well for ten minutes and had moments he looked bright, however he kept having trouble keeping possession in his own half. Was at the game and he was the most criticized player by the Juve fans. Made a lot of wrong decisions imo. People were asking for him to be subbed off early. Him, Allegri and De Sciglio got endless amounts of abuse by the fans in the 2nd half. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
triggs Posted February 17, 2018 Share Posted February 17, 2018 For some odd reason Tite has come out with his starting XI and 16 players that will be in the squad. Allison (Ederson, ?) Dani (?) - Miranda (T.Silva) - Marquinhos (?) - Marcelo (?) R. Augusto (?) - Casemiro (Fernandinho) - Paulinho (?) Coutinho (Willian) - G. Jesus (Firmino) - Neymar (?) Pretty much expected although I hope we get a surprise or two in the squad. Douglas Costa has been poor while Malcom and David Neres have done well in their leagues. That central midfield lacks creativity unless you play Coutinho there. As for Lascelles, I definitely think he should be 4th choice and in the squad. Haven't watched him/them much but thought Douglas Costa was canny against Spurs Don't really agree, thought he started very well for ten minutes and had moments he looked bright, however he kept having trouble keeping possession in his own half. Was at the game and he was the most criticized player by the Juve fans. Made a lot of wrong decisions imo. People were asking for him to be subbed off early. Him, Allegri and De Sciglio got endless amounts of abuse by the fans in the 2nd half. Fair enough, thought he was their most dangerous player on the ball by a mile mind even if he did lose it a bit Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flip Posted February 17, 2018 Share Posted February 17, 2018 For some odd reason Tite has come out with his starting XI and 16 players that will be in the squad. Allison (Ederson, ?) Dani (?) - Miranda (T.Silva) - Marquinhos (?) - Marcelo (?) R. Augusto (?) - Casemiro (Fernandinho) - Paulinho (?) Coutinho (Willian) - G. Jesus (Firmino) - Neymar (?) Pretty much expected although I hope we get a surprise or two in the squad. Douglas Costa has been poor while Malcom and David Neres have done well in their leagues. That central midfield lacks creativity unless you play Coutinho there. As for Lascelles, I definitely think he should be 4th choice and in the squad. Haven't watched him/them much but thought Douglas Costa was canny against Spurs Don't really agree, thought he started very well for ten minutes and had moments he looked bright, however he kept having trouble keeping possession in his own half. Was at the game and he was the most criticized player by the Juve fans. Made a lot of wrong decisions imo. People were asking for him to be subbed off early. Him, Allegri and De Sciglio got endless amounts of abuse by the fans in the 2nd half. Fair enough, thought he was their most dangerous player on the ball by a mile mind even if he did lose it a bit That's true, but their whole team was garbage for 75mins. Was ridiculous to see how well they started and how quickly they went away from what was working to just sitting deep even if Spurs did it extremely well. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ponsaelius Posted February 17, 2018 Share Posted February 17, 2018 https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/bayer-leverkusen-leon-bailey-england-12042341 Would be a good addition Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
triggs Posted February 17, 2018 Share Posted February 17, 2018 That's well grim robbing players from Jamaica I guess we did the same with McCarthy and McGeady from another minnow nation Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Posted February 17, 2018 Share Posted February 17, 2018 https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/bayer-leverkusen-leon-bailey-england-12042341 Would be a good addition There'll be some mad fewm if that happens. Make it so Gareth. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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