Not worthy of a thread - 2018 FIFA World Cup edition

[mrmojorisin75]

Really hope he's on the plane.

That's kind of football these days though isn't it, people like Lascelles who are honest and have worked their knackers off to improve but he doesn't play for a top team so he'll be overlooked. Players at top clubs in the same positions who've failed time after time will be picked regardless. Modern football.

 

I feel like that’s always been the case though.

I'm not sure it was too the same degree before, too much at stake now, no one willing to take chances due to what's at stake.

[leffe186]

Other factors at stake though - the concentration of top players at a handful of clubs, increased number of foreign players coupled with the stockpiling of young players. I don’t think the fundamental attitudes of England coaches have changed all that much.

[Figures 1-0 Football]

There’s no way Lascelles can go to the World Cup when we have Phil Jones who plays for Man Yanited, despite how utterly crap he is.

 

Impressive that Maguire has been called up and probably certain to go, despite having a very average/crap season. Just goes to show how much media hype has an effect, he’s living off the hype from last season and that matters much more than Lascelles playing well.

[Mbemba Youre A Womble]

Players outside the top six that have gone to last three tournaments.. 

 

2016 - Heaton, Bertrand, Forster, Vardy

2014 - Forster, Lallana, Foster, Jagielka, Baines

2012 - Butland, Jagielka, Green, Baines (Martin Kelly went  )

 

The best players of any nationality will always naturally elevate themselves to the top clubs. When you combine that with English players not going abroad for whatever reason, you'll always going to see a the same clubs make up the bulk of a national side.

 

Obviously there are going to be exceptions, but I'd say English players playing outside the top clubs aren't actually that talented at all. There is a huge amount of total garbage playing regularly in the PL, and a lot of players that despite many seasons playing in the PL have never got near to a call up.

 

If you look at Spainish national squad, whilst being hugely competitive, they've still been able to draw plenty of players from sides outside their big clubs. Likewise with Germany.

 

Maybe, and hopefully it's changing now - but it's got to be a case of English clubs producing a comparatively low level of footballer. 

[mrmojorisin75]

Players outside the top six that have gone to last three tournaments.. 

 

2016 - Heaton, Bertrand, Forster, Vardy

2014 - Forster, Lallana, Foster, Jagielka, Baines

2012 - Butland, Jagielka, Green, Baines (Martin Kelly went  )

 

The best players of any nationality will always naturally elevate themselves to the top clubs. When you combine that with English players not going abroad for whatever reason, you'll always going to see a the same clubs make up the bulk of a national side.

 

Obviously there are going to be exceptions, but I'd say English players playing outside the top clubs aren't actually that talented at all. There is a huge amount of total garbage playing regularly in the PL, and a lot of players that despite many seasons playing in the PL have never got near to a call up.

 

If you look at Spainish national squad, whilst being hugely competitive, they've still been able to draw plenty of players from sides outside their big clubs. Likewise with Germany.

 

Maybe, and hopefully it's changing now - but it's got to be a case of English clubs producing a comparatively low level of footballer.

Your examples prove shite. Keepers don't count for a start because big clubs rarely play English keepers these days, so in the last 12 years 9 players outside of the top clubs got a seat on the plane if I'm reading that right?

 

Proving my point if anything.

 

EDIT: apologies I thought you were arguing a different point when I glanced at the text.

[Ketsbaia]

Wow, lots of love for Wilshere.

[Dave]

Arial Won

[tgarve]

Players outside the top six that have gone to last three tournaments.. 

 

2016 - Heaton, Bertrand, Forster, Vardy

2014 - Forster, Lallana, Foster, Jagielka, Baines

2012 - Butland, Jagielka, Green, Baines (Martin Kelly went  )

 

The best players of any nationality will always naturally elevate themselves to the top clubs. When you combine that with English players not going abroad for whatever reason, you'll always going to see a the same clubs make up the bulk of a national side.

 

Obviously there are going to be exceptions, but I'd say English players playing outside the top clubs aren't actually that talented at all. There is a huge amount of total garbage playing regularly in the PL, and a lot of players that despite many seasons playing in the PL have never got near to a call up.

 

If you look at Spainish national squad, whilst being hugely competitive, they've still been able to draw plenty of players from sides outside their big clubs. Likewise with Germany.

 

Maybe, and hopefully it's changing now - but it's got to be a case of English clubs producing a comparatively low level of footballer.

Your examples prove shite. Keepers don't count for a start because big clubs rarely play English keepers these days, so in the last 12 years 9 players outside of the top clubs got a seat on the plane if I'm reading that right?

 

Proving my point if anything.

 

EDIT: apologies I thought you were arguing a different point when I glanced at the text.

 

Slightly confused how vardy was outside the top 6 after winning the league

[Flip]

For some odd reason Tite has come out with his starting XI and 16 players that will be in the squad.

 

Allison (Ederson, ?)

Dani (?) - Miranda (T.Silva) - Marquinhos (?) - Marcelo (?)

R. Augusto (?) - Casemiro (Fernandinho) - Paulinho (?)

Coutinho (Willian) - G. Jesus (Firmino) - Neymar (?)

 

Pretty much expected although I hope we get a surprise or two in the squad. Douglas Costa has been poor while Malcom and David Neres have done well in their leagues. That central midfield lacks creativity unless you play Coutinho there.

 

As for Lascelles, I definitely think he should be 4th choice and in the squad.

[Guest]

Wow, lots of love for Wilshere.

 

Think it's more the lack of quality behind him. Henderson, erc.

[triggs]

For some odd reason Tite has come out with his starting XI and 16 players that will be in the squad.

 

Allison (Ederson, ?)

Dani (?) - Miranda (T.Silva) - Marquinhos (?) - Marcelo (?)

R. Augusto (?) - Casemiro (Fernandinho) - Paulinho (?)

Coutinho (Willian) - G. Jesus (Firmino) - Neymar (?)

 

Pretty much expected although I hope we get a surprise or two in the squad. Douglas Costa has been poor while Malcom and David Neres have done well in their leagues. That central midfield lacks creativity unless you play Coutinho there.

 

As for Lascelles, I definitely think he should be 4th choice and in the squad.

Haven't watched him/them much but thought Douglas Costa was canny against Spurs

[Flip]

For some odd reason Tite has come out with his starting XI and 16 players that will be in the squad.

 

Allison (Ederson, ?)

Dani (?) - Miranda (T.Silva) - Marquinhos (?) - Marcelo (?)

R. Augusto (?) - Casemiro (Fernandinho) - Paulinho (?)

Coutinho (Willian) - G. Jesus (Firmino) - Neymar (?)

 

Pretty much expected although I hope we get a surprise or two in the squad. Douglas Costa has been poor while Malcom and David Neres have done well in their leagues. That central midfield lacks creativity unless you play Coutinho there.

 

As for Lascelles, I definitely think he should be 4th choice and in the squad.

Haven't watched him/them much but thought Douglas Costa was canny against Spurs

 

Don't really agree, thought he started very well for ten minutes and had moments he looked bright, however he kept having trouble keeping possession in his own half. Was at the game and he was the most criticized player by the Juve fans. Made a lot of wrong decisions imo. People were asking for him to be subbed off early. Him, Allegri and De Sciglio got endless amounts of abuse by the fans in the 2nd half.

[triggs]

For some odd reason Tite has come out with his starting XI and 16 players that will be in the squad.

 

Allison (Ederson, ?)

Dani (?) - Miranda (T.Silva) - Marquinhos (?) - Marcelo (?)

R. Augusto (?) - Casemiro (Fernandinho) - Paulinho (?)

Coutinho (Willian) - G. Jesus (Firmino) - Neymar (?)

 

Pretty much expected although I hope we get a surprise or two in the squad. Douglas Costa has been poor while Malcom and David Neres have done well in their leagues. That central midfield lacks creativity unless you play Coutinho there.

 

As for Lascelles, I definitely think he should be 4th choice and in the squad.

Haven't watched him/them much but thought Douglas Costa was canny against Spurs

 

Don't really agree, thought he started very well for ten minutes and had moments he looked bright, however he kept having trouble keeping possession in his own half. Was at the game and he was the most criticized player by the Juve fans. Made a lot of wrong decisions imo. People were asking for him to be subbed off early. Him, Allegri and De Sciglio got endless amounts of abuse by the fans in the 2nd half.

Fair enough, thought he was their most dangerous player on the ball by a mile mind even if he did lose it a bit

[Flip]

For some odd reason Tite has come out with his starting XI and 16 players that will be in the squad.

 

Allison (Ederson, ?)

Dani (?) - Miranda (T.Silva) - Marquinhos (?) - Marcelo (?)

R. Augusto (?) - Casemiro (Fernandinho) - Paulinho (?)

Coutinho (Willian) - G. Jesus (Firmino) - Neymar (?)

 

Pretty much expected although I hope we get a surprise or two in the squad. Douglas Costa has been poor while Malcom and David Neres have done well in their leagues. That central midfield lacks creativity unless you play Coutinho there.

 

As for Lascelles, I definitely think he should be 4th choice and in the squad.

Haven't watched him/them much but thought Douglas Costa was canny against Spurs

 

Don't really agree, thought he started very well for ten minutes and had moments he looked bright, however he kept having trouble keeping possession in his own half. Was at the game and he was the most criticized player by the Juve fans. Made a lot of wrong decisions imo. People were asking for him to be subbed off early. Him, Allegri and De Sciglio got endless amounts of abuse by the fans in the 2nd half.

Fair enough, thought he was their most dangerous player on the ball by a mile mind even if he did lose it a bit

 

That's true, but their whole team was garbage for 75mins. Was ridiculous to see how well they started and how quickly they went away from what was working to just sitting deep even if Spurs did it extremely well.

[ponsaelius]

https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/bayer-leverkusen-leon-bailey-england-12042341

 

Would be a good addition

[triggs]

That's well grim robbing players from Jamaica I guess we did the same with McCarthy and McGeady from another minnow nation

[Disco]

https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/bayer-leverkusen-leon-bailey-england-12042341

 

Would be a good addition

 

There'll be some mad fewm if that happens. Make it so Gareth.

[Mbemba Youre A Womble]

They can have Dwight Gayle.

 

They deprived us of many greats down the years anyway. Deon Burton, Robbie Earl, Frank Sinclair to name but a few 

[Ketsbaia]

Oh my god, he's not played for Jamaica?

 

He'd be a no-brainer in the England squad.

[Deuce]

Oh my god, he's not played for Jamaica?

 

He'd be a no-brainer in the England squad.

 

Apparently he’s said he won’t play for Jamaica until they improve.

 

...you could, ya know, make them better by playing for them, Leon.

[Disco]

This story had lead me to discover there is a Jamaican goalie called Shaven Paul. Today has been a good day.

[xLiaaamx]

Give them Rolando Aarons in return. 

[triggs]

On this Bailey thing, every report I've read says that two of his grandparents hold British passports rather than saying they were actually born in Britain. I'm not sure if it is the case but his grandparents would have to actually have been born in Britain for him to be able to play for England

[ponsaelius]

Oh my god, he's not played for Jamaica?

 

He'd be a no-brainer in the England squad.

 

Apparently he’s said he won’t play for Jamaica until they improve.

 

...you could, ya know, make them better by playing for them, Leon.

 

I'm sure his complaints were about the infrastructure and the dysfunctional nature of the FA, rather than the quality of the team. That's not something that he can necessarily do anything about and as sad as it is to see minnows lose quality players, it is sometimes understandable on an individual level. 

 

No doubt there is an element of individualistic career based motivation too, mind. However if a football association is corrupt and shambolic it just encourages such a decision.

[Deuce]

On this Bailey thing, every report I've read says that two of his grandparents hold British passports rather than saying they were actually born in Britain. I'm not sure if it is the case but his grandparents would have to actually have been born in Britain for him to be able to play for England

 

I’m just sayin’, I don’t wanna hear any gripes about all the foreign-born players who suit up for the U.S. if this kid chooses to play for England