Baggio Posted July 2, 2011 Share Posted July 2, 2011 Who will play right back if Simpson gets injured? Perch. Who will we have to fall back on if Coloccini gets injured? Firstly Taylor and Williamson don't look at all complimentary as players, and what do we have behind these three options? One injury to one of our CB's (especially Colo) and we are in a spot of bother.. I don't remember Taylor and Williamson partnering each other off the top of my head to comment on them as a pairing, I presume Kadar will step up. Who will replace Enrique effectively if he leaves or gets injured? We have not had decent cover at left back for years.. An injury, and one of our strongest position instantly becomes a glaring weakness on the team sheet Neil Taylor looks like he's being brought in as back up. Who have we got to take over Tiote's role if he gets injured, or even during the African Cup of Nations..? Nobody that plays the defensive role but one of Barton, Guthrie, Smith or Gosling will fill in. ...... Now I'm not advocating that Perch or Smith should be relied on as back up because they shouldn't, however they are here taking a wage and I don't see the club allowing them to stay without being apart of the clubs 25 man squad, a number that's practically at it's limit. Which is why I think the 2 players he's talking about is on top of what we've got, then anyone else will be replaced 1 for 1 with hopefully upgrades to improve the first team or squad. We know the club have been drip feeding stories to the local press about players being told they can leave and the hope is that if we can shift them that we will bring in better players as replacements, fingers crossed that the market starts picking up now clubs are starting pre season training and that we can move the dead wood on. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unbelievable Posted July 2, 2011 Share Posted July 2, 2011 Who will play right back if Simpson gets injured? Perch. Who will we have to fall back on if Coloccini gets injured? Firstly Taylor and Williamson don't look at all complimentary as players, and what do we have behind these three options? One injury to one of our CB's (especially Colo) and we are in a spot of bother.. I don't remember Taylor and Williamson partnering each other off the top of my head to comment on them as a pairing, I presume Kadar will step up. Who will replace Enrique effectively if he leaves or gets injured? We have not had decent cover at left back for years.. An injury, and one of our strongest position instantly becomes a glaring weakness on the team sheet Neil Taylor looks like he's being brought in as back up. Who have we got to take over Tiote's role if he gets injured, or even during the African Cup of Nations..? Nobody that plays the defensive role but one of Barton, Guthrie, Smith or Gosling will fill in. ...... Now I'm not advocating that Perch or Smith should be relied on as back up because they shouldn't, however they are here taking a wage and I don't see the club allowing them to stay without being apart of the clubs 25 man squad, a number that's practically at it's limit. Which is why I think the 2 players he's talking about is on top of what we've got, then anyone else will be replaced 1 for 1 with hopefully upgrades to improve the first team or squad. We know the club have been drip feeding stories to the local press about players being told they can leave and the hope is that if we can shift them that we will bring in better players as replacements, fingers crossed that the market starts picking up now clubs are starting pre season training and that we can move the dead wood on. So that's Perch (s***), Kadar (promising but extremely injury prone himself), Naylor (if he signs; played at Conference level under a year ago) and "nobody"/Smith.. Enough said I think? Also, if the club plan to shift the deadwood and only replace them if and when this happens, why not say so, rather than explicitly stating one or two players will come in? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baggio Posted July 2, 2011 Share Posted July 2, 2011 Who will play right back if Simpson gets injured? Perch. Who will we have to fall back on if Coloccini gets injured? Firstly Taylor and Williamson don't look at all complimentary as players, and what do we have behind these three options? One injury to one of our CB's (especially Colo) and we are in a spot of bother.. I don't remember Taylor and Williamson partnering each other off the top of my head to comment on them as a pairing, I presume Kadar will step up. Who will replace Enrique effectively if he leaves or gets injured? We have not had decent cover at left back for years.. An injury, and one of our strongest position instantly becomes a glaring weakness on the team sheet Neil Taylor looks like he's being brought in as back up. Who have we got to take over Tiote's role if he gets injured, or even during the African Cup of Nations..? Nobody that plays the defensive role but one of Barton, Guthrie, Smith or Gosling will fill in. ...... Now I'm not advocating that Perch or Smith should be relied on as back up because they shouldn't, however they are here taking a wage and I don't see the club allowing them to stay without being apart of the clubs 25 man squad, a number that's practically at it's limit. Which is why I think the 2 players he's talking about is on top of what we've got, then anyone else will be replaced 1 for 1 with hopefully upgrades to improve the first team or squad. We know the club have been drip feeding stories to the local press about players being told they can leave and the hope is that if we can shift them that we will bring in better players as replacements, fingers crossed that the market starts picking up now clubs are starting pre season training and that we can move the dead wood on. So that's Perch (shit), Kadar (promising but extremely injury prone himself), Naylor (if he signs; played at Conference level under a year ago) and "nobody"/Smith.. Enough said I think? If you read the rest of what I've said I've tried to explain my take on it. Do you think the club would continue to pay Perch, Smith and Kadar while not even including them in the clubs 25 man squad? I'm not sure what playing at conference level a year ago matters either. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unbelievable Posted July 2, 2011 Share Posted July 2, 2011 I'll hand out knives outside of St.James for everyone who wants to cut their wrists tomorrow. Seriously, there is two months left of the transferwindow, and people are making doom of things allready? Could I ask why? Two very concrete things: 1) some very tangible, worrying quotes by Pardew (see above) 2) previous experience with Ashley & Co Personally I have much more trouble understanding people who can't read the club's statements for what their worth and seemingly forget the past transfer window(s) fiascos every time a new one starts.. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
thomas Posted July 2, 2011 Share Posted July 2, 2011 Also, if the club plan to shift the deadwood and only replace them if and when this happens, why not say so, rather than explicitly stating one or two players will come in? Maybe it's not the best thing to announce all of your intentions for the world to see? Vagueness may be irritating but it can serve a greater good. How would you phrase that statement about wanting to shift deadwood if you were Pardew? "Yeah we've got some absolute turd players here, we're looking to unload them on some unwitting saps. Then we'll see about replacing them with upgrades." Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baggio Posted July 2, 2011 Share Posted July 2, 2011 Personally I have much more trouble understanding people who can't read the club's statements for what their worth and seemingly forget the past transfer window(s) fiascos every time a new one starts.. Like the 'no capital outlay this summer' quotes before we went out and signed Tiote and Ben Arfa? Surely that should tell you not to jump to conclusions from quotes and statements. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baggio Posted July 2, 2011 Share Posted July 2, 2011 Also, if the club plan to shift the deadwood and only replace them if and when this happens, why not say so, rather than explicitly stating one or two players will come in? Maybe it's not the best thing to announce all of your intentions for the world to see? Vagueness may be irritating but it can serve a greater good. How would you phrase that statement about wanting to shift deadwood if you were Pardew? "Yeah we've got some absolute turd players here, we're looking to unload them on some unwitting saps. Then we'll see about replacing them with upgrades." If you start announcing that you need to shift players to free up space for replacements then people will know you're desperate, even Redknapp sidestepped the point by leaving it at he has to sell before he buys, the difference being people know we've brought in a large sum recently. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sifu Posted July 2, 2011 Share Posted July 2, 2011 Personally I have much more trouble understanding people who can't read the club's statements for what their worth and seemingly forget the past transfer window(s) fiascos every time a new one starts.. Like the 'no capital outlay this summer' quotes before we went out and signed Tiote and Ben Arfa? Surely that should tell you not to jump to conclusions from quotes and statements. Completely forgot about this! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unbelievable Posted July 2, 2011 Share Posted July 2, 2011 Also, if the club plan to shift the deadwood and only replace them if and when this happens, why not say so, rather than explicitly stating one or two players will come in? Maybe it's not the best thing to announce all of your intentions for the world to see? How would you phrase that statement about wanting to shift deadwood if you were Pardew? "Yeah we've got some absolute turd players here, we're looking to unload them on some unwitting saps. Then we'll see about replacing them with upgrades." "We are looking to bring in one or two players who significantly strengthen important areas in our first team, and possibly a few promising youngsters who we would slowly blood in, depending on whether we can sell some of the current players on our books who have been told they don't have a future at the club" Easy peasy Japanese.. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baggio Posted July 2, 2011 Share Posted July 2, 2011 Also, if the club plan to shift the deadwood and only replace them if and when this happens, why not say so, rather than explicitly stating one or two players will come in? Maybe it's not the best thing to announce all of your intentions for the world to see? How would you phrase that statement about wanting to shift deadwood if you were Pardew? "Yeah we've got some absolute turd players here, we're looking to unload them on some unwitting saps. Then we'll see about replacing them with upgrades." "We are looking to bring in one or two players who significantly strengthen important areas in our first team, and possibly a few promising youngsters who we would slowly blood in, depending on whether we can sell some of the current players on our books who have been told they don't have a future at the club" Easy peasy Japanese.. Like the club would say that. Has any other club released a statement like that? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unbelievable Posted July 2, 2011 Share Posted July 2, 2011 Personally I have much more trouble understanding people who can't read the club's statements for what their worth and seemingly forget the past transfer window(s) fiascos every time a new one starts.. Like the 'no capital outlay this summer' quotes before we went out and signed Tiote and Ben Arfa? Surely that should tell you not to jump to conclusions from quotes and statements. Oh, I don't need to go back until the summer to find some quotes that have later been proved to be misleading, and I'm sure neither would you if you tried real hard to remember what happened in January.. Fact is there is no reason for these quotes or the one you just mentioned from last year other than to gradually lower our expectations. We spend what, 3 or 4 million last summer, on our return to the Premier League after being relegated the year before? Whoopifuckingdoo.. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unbelievable Posted July 2, 2011 Share Posted July 2, 2011 Also, if the club plan to shift the deadwood and only replace them if and when this happens, why not say so, rather than explicitly stating one or two players will come in? Maybe it's not the best thing to announce all of your intentions for the world to see? How would you phrase that statement about wanting to shift deadwood if you were Pardew? "Yeah we've got some absolute turd players here, we're looking to unload them on some unwitting saps. Then we'll see about replacing them with upgrades." "We are looking to bring in one or two players who significantly strengthen important areas in our first team, and possibly a few promising youngsters who we would slowly blood in, depending on whether we can sell some of the current players on our books who have been told they don't have a future at the club" Easy peasy Japanese.. Like the club would say that. Has any other club released a statement like that? Statements saying players have been told they don't have a future at a club happen all the time. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baggio Posted July 2, 2011 Share Posted July 2, 2011 Personally I have much more trouble understanding people who can't read the club's statements for what their worth and seemingly forget the past transfer window(s) fiascos every time a new one starts.. Like the 'no capital outlay this summer' quotes before we went out and signed Tiote and Ben Arfa? Surely that should tell you not to jump to conclusions from quotes and statements. Oh, I don't need to go back until the summer to find some quotes that have later been proved to be misleading, and I'm sure neither would you if you tried real hard to remember what happened in January.. Fact is there is no reason for these quotes or the one you just mentioned from last year other than to gradually lower our expectations. We spend what, 3 or 4 million last summer, on our return to the Premier League after being relegated the year before? Whoopifuckingdoo.. At the same time there's no need to say that they're trying to shift on dead wood to free up space for new players (if that is the case) if the only benefit of it is to stop people from spending all of their time on messageboards over analysing every comment to death. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
thomas Posted July 2, 2011 Share Posted July 2, 2011 Statements saying players have been told they don't have a future at a club happen all the time. Statements detailing the entirety of your plan around the first team however, are exceedingly rare. In fact one feels that there must be a compelling reason no club or manager has ever released a whole statement like that. Regardless, it doesn't detract from your main overall point which is agreeable on the whole. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baggio Posted July 2, 2011 Share Posted July 2, 2011 Also, if the club plan to shift the deadwood and only replace them if and when this happens, why not say so, rather than explicitly stating one or two players will come in? Maybe it's not the best thing to announce all of your intentions for the world to see? How would you phrase that statement about wanting to shift deadwood if you were Pardew? "Yeah we've got some absolute turd players here, we're looking to unload them on some unwitting saps. Then we'll see about replacing them with upgrades." "We are looking to bring in one or two players who significantly strengthen important areas in our first team, and possibly a few promising youngsters who we would slowly blood in, depending on whether we can sell some of the current players on our books who have been told they don't have a future at the club" Easy peasy Japanese.. Like the club would say that. Has any other club released a statement like that? Statements saying players have been told they don't have a future at a club happen all the time. Links please. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unbelievable Posted July 2, 2011 Share Posted July 2, 2011 Personally I have much more trouble understanding people who can't read the club's statements for what their worth and seemingly forget the past transfer window(s) fiascos every time a new one starts.. Like the 'no capital outlay this summer' quotes before we went out and signed Tiote and Ben Arfa? Surely that should tell you not to jump to conclusions from quotes and statements. Oh, I don't need to go back until the summer to find some quotes that have later been proved to be misleading, and I'm sure neither would you if you tried real hard to remember what happened in January.. Fact is there is no reason for these quotes or the one you just mentioned from last year other than to gradually lower our expectations. We spend what, 3 or 4 million last summer, on our return to the Premier League after being relegated the year before? Whoopifuckingdoo.. At the same time there's no need to say that they're trying to shift on dead wood to free up space for new players (if that is the case) if the only benefit of it is to stop people from spending all of their time on messageboards over analysing every comment to death. To be honest, I sometimes think the people at the club should communicate more and better with the fans, but if all they can come out with is bollocks like this from Pardew it makes me wonder if we're all not better off if they just shut up and implemented their great "five year plan" in silence... (When are we supposed to be "challenging for everything" again Derek?) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unbelievable Posted July 2, 2011 Share Posted July 2, 2011 Also, if the club plan to shift the deadwood and only replace them if and when this happens, why not say so, rather than explicitly stating one or two players will come in? Maybe it's not the best thing to announce all of your intentions for the world to see? How would you phrase that statement about wanting to shift deadwood if you were Pardew? "Yeah we've got some absolute turd players here, we're looking to unload them on some unwitting saps. Then we'll see about replacing them with upgrades." "We are looking to bring in one or two players who significantly strengthen important areas in our first team, and possibly a few promising youngsters who we would slowly blood in, depending on whether we can sell some of the current players on our books who have been told they don't have a future at the club" Easy peasy Japanese.. Like the club would say that. Has any other club released a statement like that? Statements saying players have been told they don't have a future at a club happen all the time. Links please. Here's 36,6 million links for you: http://www.google.nl/search?q=told+he+has+no+future+at+the+club&hl=nl&client=safari&rls=en&prmd=ivns&ei=d2oOTuqYIovsObXp2KIL&start=40&sa=N&biw=1440&bih=764 I will let you find the best examples yourself.. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baggio Posted July 2, 2011 Share Posted July 2, 2011 Personally I have much more trouble understanding people who can't read the club's statements for what their worth and seemingly forget the past transfer window(s) fiascos every time a new one starts.. Like the 'no capital outlay this summer' quotes before we went out and signed Tiote and Ben Arfa? Surely that should tell you not to jump to conclusions from quotes and statements. Oh, I don't need to go back until the summer to find some quotes that have later been proved to be misleading, and I'm sure neither would you if you tried real hard to remember what happened in January.. Fact is there is no reason for these quotes or the one you just mentioned from last year other than to gradually lower our expectations. We spend what, 3 or 4 million last summer, on our return to the Premier League after being relegated the year before? Whoopifuckingdoo.. At the same time there's no need to say that they're trying to shift on dead wood to free up space for new players (if that is the case) if the only benefit of it is to stop people from spending all of their time on messageboards over analysing every comment to death. To be honest, I sometimes think the people at the club should communicate more and better with the fans, but if all they can come out with is bollocks like this from Pardew it makes me wonder if we're all not better off if they just shut up and implemented their great "five year plan" in silence... (When are we supposed to be "challenging for everything" again Derek?) We won't be challenging for anything major with the huge spenders about, we simply can't compete with them. I've accepted it, perhaps you should too. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldtype Posted July 2, 2011 Share Posted July 2, 2011 Those quotes do look quite grim when put all together in one post. I slowly feel that after several months on the "cautiously optimistic" side of things that my emotional pendulum might have begun to shift in the other direction. I really am a fickle, emotional football fan, just like everyone else. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baggio Posted July 2, 2011 Share Posted July 2, 2011 Also, if the club plan to shift the deadwood and only replace them if and when this happens, why not say so, rather than explicitly stating one or two players will come in? Maybe it's not the best thing to announce all of your intentions for the world to see? How would you phrase that statement about wanting to shift deadwood if you were Pardew? "Yeah we've got some absolute turd players here, we're looking to unload them on some unwitting saps. Then we'll see about replacing them with upgrades." "We are looking to bring in one or two players who significantly strengthen important areas in our first team, and possibly a few promising youngsters who we would slowly blood in, depending on whether we can sell some of the current players on our books who have been told they don't have a future at the club" Easy peasy Japanese.. Like the club would say that. Has any other club released a statement like that? Statements saying players have been told they don't have a future at a club happen all the time. Links please. Here's 36,6 million links for you: http://www.google.nl/search?q=told+he+has+no+future+at+the+club&hl=nl&client=safari&rls=en&prmd=ivns&ei=d2oOTuqYIovsObXp2KIL&start=40&sa=N&biw=1440&bih=764 I will let you find the best examples yourself.. So you can't find many then, despite them apparently happening all the time. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unbelievable Posted July 2, 2011 Share Posted July 2, 2011 Personally I have much more trouble understanding people who can't read the club's statements for what their worth and seemingly forget the past transfer window(s) fiascos every time a new one starts.. Like the 'no capital outlay this summer' quotes before we went out and signed Tiote and Ben Arfa? Surely that should tell you not to jump to conclusions from quotes and statements. Oh, I don't need to go back until the summer to find some quotes that have later been proved to be misleading, and I'm sure neither would you if you tried real hard to remember what happened in January.. Fact is there is no reason for these quotes or the one you just mentioned from last year other than to gradually lower our expectations. We spend what, 3 or 4 million last summer, on our return to the Premier League after being relegated the year before? Whoopifuckingdoo.. At the same time there's no need to say that they're trying to shift on dead wood to free up space for new players (if that is the case) if the only benefit of it is to stop people from spending all of their time on messageboards over analysing every comment to death. To be honest, I sometimes think the people at the club should communicate more and better with the fans, but if all they can come out with is bollocks like this from Pardew it makes me wonder if we're all not better off if they just shut up and implemented their great "five year plan" in silence... (When are we supposed to be "challenging for everything" again Derek?) We won't be challenging for anything major with the huge spenders about, we simply can't compete with them. I've accepted it, perhaps you should too. I won't. There's the main difference between you and me in a nutshell. You will happily settle for mediocrity, whereas I will quite happily hold them to their promise or point out where they fail until the day they either accomplish in what should be their ambition with the club or the day they sell up and fuck off.. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baggio Posted July 2, 2011 Share Posted July 2, 2011 Personally I have much more trouble understanding people who can't read the club's statements for what their worth and seemingly forget the past transfer window(s) fiascos every time a new one starts.. Like the 'no capital outlay this summer' quotes before we went out and signed Tiote and Ben Arfa? Surely that should tell you not to jump to conclusions from quotes and statements. Oh, I don't need to go back until the summer to find some quotes that have later been proved to be misleading, and I'm sure neither would you if you tried real hard to remember what happened in January.. Fact is there is no reason for these quotes or the one you just mentioned from last year other than to gradually lower our expectations. We spend what, 3 or 4 million last summer, on our return to the Premier League after being relegated the year before? Whoopifuckingdoo.. At the same time there's no need to say that they're trying to shift on dead wood to free up space for new players (if that is the case) if the only benefit of it is to stop people from spending all of their time on messageboards over analysing every comment to death. To be honest, I sometimes think the people at the club should communicate more and better with the fans, but if all they can come out with is bollocks like this from Pardew it makes me wonder if we're all not better off if they just shut up and implemented their great "five year plan" in silence... (When are we supposed to be "challenging for everything" again Derek?) We won't be challenging for anything major with the huge spenders about, we simply can't compete with them. I've accepted it, perhaps you should too. I won't. There's the main difference between you and me in a nutshell. You will happily settle for mediocrity, whereas I will quite happily hold them to their promise or point out where they fail until the day they either accomplish in what should be their ambition with the club or the day they sell up and fuck off.. It's not accepting mediocrity, it's simply being realistic. The best we can hope for is a Uefa cup place and a good shot at one of the cups, if you think we're ever going to have a shot at the CL without massive outside investment anytime in the foreseeable future then you're completely deluding yourself. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unbelievable Posted July 2, 2011 Share Posted July 2, 2011 Also, if the club plan to shift the deadwood and only replace them if and when this happens, why not say so, rather than explicitly stating one or two players will come in? Maybe it's not the best thing to announce all of your intentions for the world to see? How would you phrase that statement about wanting to shift deadwood if you were Pardew? "Yeah we've got some absolute turd players here, we're looking to unload them on some unwitting saps. Then we'll see about replacing them with upgrades." "We are looking to bring in one or two players who significantly strengthen important areas in our first team, and possibly a few promising youngsters who we would slowly blood in, depending on whether we can sell some of the current players on our books who have been told they don't have a future at the club" Easy peasy Japanese.. Like the club would say that. Has any other club released a statement like that? Statements saying players have been told they don't have a future at a club happen all the time. Links please. Here's 36,6 million links for you: http://www.google.nl/search?q=told+he+has+no+future+at+the+club&hl=nl&client=safari&rls=en&prmd=ivns&ei=d2oOTuqYIovsObXp2KIL&start=40&sa=N&biw=1440&bih=764 I will let you find the best examples yourself.. So you can't find many then, despite them apparently happening all the time. Seriously..? Have you never seen or heard an interview with a manager or a player where they mentioned somebody has no future at the club? Let me just give you one example that you should be able to recognise. Remember what Pardew had to say about Routledge when the club foolishly decided to let him leave the club on loan without bringing in a replacement (seems they weren't so worried about letting players go before bringing in new players strangely enough btw..): Alan Pardew was speaking to BBC North East’s sports program, Total Sport: “Well I think there are opportunities for players that come along and you have to weigh it up.” “I mean, was Wayne gonna be a long term first team player for us? and I don’t think he was.” “QPR offered him that position, and I felt that is best for him and best for the club that we took that opportunity.” “You know, when you bring players in I think it’s important that they affect your first team.” “There are occasions, and there will be, when I bring in a player to fill up the squad, so to speak.” “But you know, I just felt that the Wayne one was a deal that was right for him, more importantly, and right for us.” “Because you have to sort of move on players to grow, and, you know, we have to get better than Wayne and that’s what we’re gonna aim to do.” Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baggio Posted July 2, 2011 Share Posted July 2, 2011 Also, if the club plan to shift the deadwood and only replace them if and when this happens, why not say so, rather than explicitly stating one or two players will come in? Maybe it's not the best thing to announce all of your intentions for the world to see? How would you phrase that statement about wanting to shift deadwood if you were Pardew? "Yeah we've got some absolute turd players here, we're looking to unload them on some unwitting saps. Then we'll see about replacing them with upgrades." "We are looking to bring in one or two players who significantly strengthen important areas in our first team, and possibly a few promising youngsters who we would slowly blood in, depending on whether we can sell some of the current players on our books who have been told they don't have a future at the club" Easy peasy Japanese.. Like the club would say that. Has any other club released a statement like that? Statements saying players have been told they don't have a future at a club happen all the time. Links please. Here's 36,6 million links for you: http://www.google.nl/search?q=told+he+has+no+future+at+the+club&hl=nl&client=safari&rls=en&prmd=ivns&ei=d2oOTuqYIovsObXp2KIL&start=40&sa=N&biw=1440&bih=764 I will let you find the best examples yourself.. So you can't find many then, despite them apparently happening all the time. Seriously..? Have you never seen or heard an interview with a manager or a player where they mentioned somebody has no future at the club? Let me just give you one example that you should be able to recognise. Remember what Pardew had to say about Routledge when the club foolishly decided to let him leave the club on loan without bringing in a replacement (seems they weren't so worried about letting players go before bringing in new players strangely enough btw..): Alan Pardew was speaking to BBC North East’s sports program, Total Sport: “Well I think there are opportunities for players that come along and you have to weigh it up.” “I mean, was Wayne gonna be a long term first team player for us? and I don’t think he was.” “QPR offered him that position, and I felt that is best for him and best for the club that we took that opportunity.” “You know, when you bring players in I think it’s important that they affect your first team.” “There are occasions, and there will be, when I bring in a player to fill up the squad, so to speak.” “But you know, I just felt that the Wayne one was a deal that was right for him, more importantly, and right for us.” “Because you have to sort of move on players to grow, and, you know, we have to get better than Wayne and that’s what we’re gonna aim to do.” He was already out the door at QPR by then, he doesn't say that he has to shift him on to be able to bring other players in either, just that we should aim for better. Where are these quotes that apparently happen all of the time when a manager says he's told players they have no future at the club and depending on them leaving he will be able to bring in replacements? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unbelievable Posted July 2, 2011 Share Posted July 2, 2011 Also, if the club plan to shift the deadwood and only replace them if and when this happens, why not say so, rather than explicitly stating one or two players will come in? Maybe it's not the best thing to announce all of your intentions for the world to see? How would you phrase that statement about wanting to shift deadwood if you were Pardew? "Yeah we've got some absolute turd players here, we're looking to unload them on some unwitting saps. Then we'll see about replacing them with upgrades." "We are looking to bring in one or two players who significantly strengthen important areas in our first team, and possibly a few promising youngsters who we would slowly blood in, depending on whether we can sell some of the current players on our books who have been told they don't have a future at the club" Easy peasy Japanese.. Like the club would say that. Has any other club released a statement like that? Statements saying players have been told they don't have a future at a club happen all the time. Links please. Here's 36,6 million links for you: http://www.google.nl/search?q=told+he+has+no+future+at+the+club&hl=nl&client=safari&rls=en&prmd=ivns&ei=d2oOTuqYIovsObXp2KIL&start=40&sa=N&biw=1440&bih=764 I will let you find the best examples yourself.. So you can't find many then, despite them apparently happening all the time. Seriously..? Have you never seen or heard an interview with a manager or a player where they mentioned somebody has no future at the club? Let me just give you one example that you should be able to recognise. Remember what Pardew had to say about Routledge when the club foolishly decided to let him leave the club on loan without bringing in a replacement (seems they weren't so worried about letting players go before bringing in new players strangely enough btw..): Alan Pardew was speaking to BBC North East’s sports program, Total Sport: “Well I think there are opportunities for players that come along and you have to weigh it up.” “I mean, was Wayne gonna be a long term first team player for us? and I don’t think he was.” “QPR offered him that position, and I felt that is best for him and best for the club that we took that opportunity.” “You know, when you bring players in I think it’s important that they affect your first team.” “There are occasions, and there will be, when I bring in a player to fill up the squad, so to speak.” “But you know, I just felt that the Wayne one was a deal that was right for him, more importantly, and right for us.” “Because you have to sort of move on players to grow, and, you know, we have to get better than Wayne and that’s what we’re gonna aim to do.” He was already out the door at QPR by then, he doesn't say that he has to shift him on to be able to bring other players in either, just that we should aim for better. Where are these quotes that apparently happen all of the time when a manager says he's told players they have no future at the club and depending on them leaving he will be able to bring in replacements? Fo f***'s sake Baggio, I think you've completely lost what you were trying to say and are now just arguing for the sake of it.. I said: Also, if the club plan to shift the deadwood and only replace them if and when this happens, why not say so, rather than explicitly stating one or two players will come in? Note, I did not argue that the club needs to shift deadwood. You did this yourself, when you said: Now I'm not advocating that Perch or Smith should be relied on as back up because they shouldn't, however they are here taking a wage and I don't see the club allowing them to stay without being apart of the clubs 25 man squad, a number that's practically at it's limit. Which is why I think the 2 players he's talking about is on top of what we've got, then anyone else will be replaced 1 for 1 with hopefully upgrades to improve the first team or squad. Anyway, Thomas replied to my point about the club having an option to be up front about it if they felt the needed to sell before they buy (something I do not agree with, but you seemingly do): How would you phrase that statement about wanting to shift deadwood if you were Pardew? "Yeah we've got some absolute turd players here, we're looking to unload them on some unwitting saps. Then we'll see about replacing them with upgrades." And I phrased it in a way that would be not too disrespectful to the players involved (especially if they had been told internally before) and would clarify such a course of action to the fans (again: I would personally not condone such a course of action, so all hypothetical as far as I am concerned. I was just arguing your corner for a second, which you seem to have overlooked). To which you replied: Like the club would say that. Has any other club released a statement like that? I then retorted: Statements saying players have been told they don't have a future at a club happen all the time That's when you decided to go all POIDH on me, and I showed you proof, first by giving you millions of links to articles of players who had been told (reportedly) they didn't have a future at the club, and then when you still failed to grasp my point, by pointing to a recent real case example from within our own club. This was a statement from our very own manager concerning one of our very own players (which he still is; the fact the quotes were after he left on loan to QPR (how respectful btw; what was he trying to achieve?) does not change the fact Routledge is still on our books and has been told he is surplus to requirements, not in a private meeting, but on national radio no less). I have not said that this is often said in combination with a 25 man squad argument, or a sell before buy announcement, because it isn't. Nor have I argued the statement would normally come directly from the manager, or be an official press release from a club. I was asked how Pardew could have politically phrased such an argument if he wanted to (once again: your/his argument, not mine!) and I did. Now you are trying to make it look like I am the one advocating your ridiculous statement and then scorn me for it..? Great tactic if it wasn't so logically flawed. Or, to make a longs story short: you said this yourself, which is the very same point you are arguing with me over now..: We know the club have been drip feeding stories to the local press about players being told they can leave and the hope is that if we can shift them that we will bring in better players as replacements, fingers crossed that the market starts picking up now clubs are starting pre season training and that we can move the dead wood on. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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