mrmojorisin75 Posted August 14, 2011 Share Posted August 14, 2011 You say Arsenal were still on their hols which saved a hiding, how come that excuse can't be used for us? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest BooBoo Posted August 14, 2011 Share Posted August 14, 2011 I'm pretty sure that Arsenal are better than what they showed yesterday. I'm not sure the same can be said about us. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted August 14, 2011 Share Posted August 14, 2011 I think it's safe so say Barton and Tiote are better than they showed yesterday and Cabaye will improve in fitness and statute as the weeks pass...as well as having an actual left back. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frazzle Posted August 14, 2011 Share Posted August 14, 2011 We had a right footer playing at left back, two lads making debuts, a midfield which had never played together (and was split across three continents in pre-season) and a CB partnership that hasn't played together for an extended period of time for ages. We've still got new signings who haven't played yet, with more likely to come and still have Ben Arfa to come back. But you don't think we'll improve? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Prophet Posted August 14, 2011 Share Posted August 14, 2011 Otter, I think what we saw yesterday was largely due to a crappy pre-season. We sold Enrique without a replacment, said to be coming in this week. This meant we were vulnarable at left back and Jonas has developed no understanding with said left back yet. It's the first time Tiote and Cabaye have played together in the middle of the park meanning they're no where near close to developing an understanding, hence both constantly dropping deep.. As well as this Ba looked completely short of match practice. This led to a dis-jointed display where we struggled to link up particularly well. I think we'll improve given time but it just goes to show how important game time is in pre-season. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest BooBoo Posted August 14, 2011 Share Posted August 14, 2011 Otter, I think what we saw yesterday was largely due to a crappy pre-season. We sold Enrique without a replacment, said to be coming in this week. This meant we were vulnarable at left back and Jonas has developed no understanding with said left back yet. It's the first time Tiote and Cabaye have played together in the middle of the park meanning they're no where near close to developing an understanding, hence both constantly dropping deep.. As well as this Ba looked completely short of match practice. This led to a dis-jointed display where we struggled to link up particularly well. I think we'll improve given time but it just goes to show how important game time is in pre-season. Hopefully. I think yesterday we reaped the rewards of a shambles of a pre season. What annoyed me was that one of the few positives of the pre season was Vuckic and he was nowhere to be seen. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
biggs Posted August 14, 2011 Share Posted August 14, 2011 Think our play will change dramatically when Marveuax comes in as he will hopefully give an end product and open up our play bringing our forwards in more ,early days but not much change on last season playing style wise but that will change hopefully . Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Prophet Posted August 14, 2011 Share Posted August 14, 2011 How long is Marveaux out for? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colocho Posted August 14, 2011 Share Posted August 14, 2011 Think our play will change dramatically when Marveuax comes in as he will hopefully give an end product and open up our play bringing our forwards in more ,early days but not much change on last season playing style wise but that will change hopefully . If. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest H09 Posted August 14, 2011 Share Posted August 14, 2011 How long is Marveaux out for? I'm pretty sure Marveaux doesn't actually exist. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Begbie Posted August 14, 2011 Share Posted August 14, 2011 How long is Marveaux out for? september accord to norwegian commentators.. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted August 14, 2011 Share Posted August 14, 2011 Otter, I think what we saw yesterday was largely due to a crappy pre-season. We sold Enrique without a replacment, said to be coming in this week. This meant we were vulnarable at left back and Jonas has developed no understanding with said left back yet. It's the first time Tiote and Cabaye have played together in the middle of the park meanning they're no where near close to developing an understanding, hence both constantly dropping deep.. As well as this Ba looked completely short of match practice. This led to a dis-jointed display where we struggled to link up particularly well. I think we'll improve given time but it just goes to show how important game time is in pre-season. Hopefully. I think yesterday we reaped the rewards of a shambles of a pre season. What annoyed me was that one of the few positives of the pre season was Vuckic and he was nowhere to be seen. It annoys me that Vukic isn't more invloved tbh. Even in the Carling Cup game against Arsenal last year he looked one of our best players on the day yet he constantly gets overlooked despite being one of the few players in the current squad with a eye for goal. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
biggs Posted August 14, 2011 Share Posted August 14, 2011 Otter, I think what we saw yesterday was largely due to a crappy pre-season. We sold Enrique without a replacment, said to be coming in this week. This meant we were vulnarable at left back and Jonas has developed no understanding with said left back yet. It's the first time Tiote and Cabaye have played together in the middle of the park meanning they're no where near close to developing an understanding, hence both constantly dropping deep.. As well as this Ba looked completely short of match practice. This led to a dis-jointed display where we struggled to link up particularly well. I think we'll improve given time but it just goes to show how important game time is in pre-season. Hopefully. I think yesterday we reaped the rewards of a shambles of a pre season. What annoyed me was that one of the few positives of the pre season was Vuckic and he was nowhere to be seen. It annoys me that Vukic isn't more invloved tbh. Even in the Carling Cup game against Arsenal last year he looked one of our best players on the day yet he constantly gets overlooked despite being one of the few players in the current squad with a eye for goal. Bit worrying that he is overlooked when he had a really good pre season and scored goals and yet yesterday nowt when he could have made an impact . Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wullie Posted August 14, 2011 Share Posted August 14, 2011 Otter, I think what we saw yesterday was largely due to a crappy pre-season. We sold Enrique without a replacment, said to be coming in this week. This meant we were vulnarable at left back and Jonas has developed no understanding with said left back yet. It's the first time Tiote and Cabaye have played together in the middle of the park meanning they're no where near close to developing an understanding, hence both constantly dropping deep.. As well as this Ba looked completely short of match practice. This led to a dis-jointed display where we struggled to link up particularly well. I think we'll improve given time but it just goes to show how important game time is in pre-season. Hopefully. I think yesterday we reaped the rewards of a shambles of a pre season. What annoyed me was that one of the few positives of the pre season was Vuckic and he was nowhere to be seen. It annoys me that Vukic isn't more invloved tbh. Even in the Carling Cup game against Arsenal last year he looked one of our best players on the day yet he constantly gets overlooked despite being one of the few players in the current squad with a eye for goal. Bit worrying that he is overlooked when he had a really good pre season and scored goals and yet yesterday nowt when he could have made an impact . Not even having him on the bench was a staggering decision tbh. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest BooBoo Posted August 14, 2011 Share Posted August 14, 2011 Especially given that Lovenkrands was tediously and pointlessly called upon, despite having nowt to offer in such a game. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledGeordie Posted August 14, 2011 Share Posted August 14, 2011 Otter, I'm a grimly realistic fan depressed with the Ashley regim but calm down it's the first game of the season man, lol Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldtype Posted August 14, 2011 Share Posted August 14, 2011 We needed two strikers on the bench, he's not a striker. I'm confident he'll get a few chances over the course of the season Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LoveItIfWeBeatU Posted August 14, 2011 Share Posted August 14, 2011 Maybe Pardew will be more comfortable picking and playing Vuckic and Sammy against non top 4 teams? Fergie fielded a few of his kids against West Brom. Will he do the same against the top 6 teams? Too many judgements are being made on one game against one of the best passing teams in the world. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
midds Posted August 14, 2011 Share Posted August 14, 2011 Especially given that Lovenkrands was tediously and pointlessly called upon, despite having nowt to offer in such a game. He's got nothing to offer us full stop imo. The fact he's still getting a game despite younger players (thinking Vuckic) impressing in pre-season is disgraceful. Cut the strings and let him go ffs. We've got some players with the potential to be much better than Lovenkrands has ever been but can't get a place in the matchday squad because of him*. *Not his fault he gets picked. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yorkie Posted August 14, 2011 Share Posted August 14, 2011 Got to say, the Vuckic thing was pretty scandalous. Weren't we trying to flog Lovenkrands but a few days ago? Wtf does that say to the lad (who scored three in pre-season and put his absolute heart and soul into every minute he was on the pitch)? Yesterday would be enough to disillusion me tbh. Seriously hope it doesn't happen next week because he's an infinitely better option than Lovenkrands. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest BooBoo Posted August 14, 2011 Share Posted August 14, 2011 Got to say, the Vuckic thing was pretty scandalous. Weren't we trying to flog Lovenkrands but a few days ago? Wtf does that say to the lad (who scored three in pre-season and put his absolute heart and soul into every minute he was on the pitch)? Yesterday would be enough to disillusion me tbh. Seriously hope it doesn't happen next week because he's an infinitely better option than Lovenkrands. At the very least, Vuckic should have been ahead of both Lovenkrands and Sammy on the bench. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ponsaelius Posted August 14, 2011 Share Posted August 14, 2011 Vuckic should definitely have been on the bench. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted August 14, 2011 Share Posted August 14, 2011 I'm going to give Pardew a few games to see how things settle down before having a go at his selection and tactics. Once we see that players are not doing it on the pitch and still getting picked then I'll slag him off, of course it might not happen. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lovejoy Posted August 14, 2011 Share Posted August 14, 2011 The 'new style of play' needs to be given some time IMO. I certainly won't be judging him on the first game of the season against arsenal. Nor the derby for that matter. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted August 15, 2011 Share Posted August 15, 2011 I'm going to give Pardew a few games to see how things settle down before having a go at his selection and tactics. Once we see that players are not doing it on the pitch and still getting picked then I'll slag him off, of course it might not happen. i'm willing to concede on tactics, there were mitigation's for playing the way we did you might argue (i wouldn't but i can understand the viewpoint) as regards giving him slack on team selection fuck that, he's the manager and has had the entire pre-season to judge his players plus last year so if he thinks: (a) shola should be on the pitch (b) loven should be anywhere near the squad © vuckic doesn't deserve a place on the bench (d) his own signing obertan wasn't a better option than shola in terms of ability, fitness and options then he needs calling out on it man, it's the basics of his job - he needs to get it right Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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