Dave Posted September 2, 2011 Share Posted September 2, 2011 Who was crying out for a statement? like anyone take notes. There were plenty who called for a statement around the end of the deadline and the day after. A club statement? Really? I remember a lot of people wanting to know what shite Pardew would come out (what thread are we in here?) but other than that? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Rainforest Posted September 2, 2011 Share Posted September 2, 2011 Im beginning to think that as far as strikers goes, its nigh-on impossible to meet the criteria of our owner. Strikers are the one position where players live and die by their goal/games ratio, the single criteria by which they are judged. I think Carr might be able to find "purchasable bargains" in any other position, but when it comes to strikers, there just isnt any strikers around banging in goals while remaining relatively unknown. Once they start smashing them in, people will know, driving the price up, and making the club less willing to sell. Hopefully there are some sloppy clubs around with too low a fee on the release clause of their striker, which they forgot to raise when he suddenly started banging them in. Heres to hoping Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted September 2, 2011 Share Posted September 2, 2011 Im beginning to think that as far as strikers goes, its nigh-on impossible to meet the criteria of our owner. Strikers are the one position where players live and die by their goal/games ratio, the single criteria by which they are judged. I think Carr might be able to find "purchasable bargains" in any other position, but when it comes to strikers, there just isnt any strikers around banging in goals while remaining relatively unknown. Once they start smashing them in, people will know, driving the price up, and making the club less willing to sell. Hopefully there are some sloppy clubs around with too low a fee on the release clause of their striker, which they forgot to raise when he suddenly started banging them in. Heres to hoping Fair point, buying a quality striker is going to be difficult unless we loosen the purse strings a bit. The problem is that we have a number of average striker already, so to get a new one he has to be much much better. And you're right, those players cost more money. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tooj Posted September 2, 2011 Share Posted September 2, 2011 I wonder what the excuses will be next summer, when the likes of Harper, Lovenkrands and Smith will all be off the wage bill. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted September 2, 2011 Share Posted September 2, 2011 I wonder what the excuses will be next summer, when the likes of Harper, Lovenkrands and Smith will all be off the wage bill. Hopefully we won't need any excuses. But at the same time, I can't see us deciding to suddenly spend a lot more. We just have to hope the right player becomes available at a cheap enough price. At the end of the day we were only one player away from a very good transfer window IMO. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sugoinufc Posted September 2, 2011 Share Posted September 2, 2011 He might feel his effort is better appreciated elsewhere, though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Rainforest Posted September 2, 2011 Share Posted September 2, 2011 At the price point we are looking at, which are approx. 8-12 million pounds, you would be hard-pressed to find players much better than a 1 in 3 ratio.. and that is in a foreign league. Then you have the transitioning to EPL, fitting in etc... Upgrade? Aside from a new name on the sheet and the hype effect, im not sure how much better we would be off tbh... I cant believe im saying this, but the likes of Erdinc, roux, maiga etc - Im actually not sure if they are a straight upgrade from Ba and Best. If we were to get a proper upgrade this window, it would have had to be Gameiro, Gervinho or Cissè tbh. Aside from the lack of ambition we obviously showed by not signing anyone, Im starting to wonder if we are better off just not spending money on Erdinc, Maiga, Roux etc, as Im not actually sure if they are better than Ba or Best. Im expecting some abuse for this post. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted September 2, 2011 Share Posted September 2, 2011 He should have kept his mouth shut I've never ever seen a statement from a chairman explain transfer window failings. They f***ed up, we knew that. Amateurish once again. Damned if they do, damned if they don't to be honest. Everyone was crying out for a statement, they make one, shouldn't have made a statement. or Everyone was crying for a statement, they don't make one, they get reamed for not making one. Either way they lose. I can't remember seeing anybody crying for a statement although I might have missed them. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaKa Posted September 2, 2011 Share Posted September 2, 2011 Im beginning to think that as far as strikers goes, its nigh-on impossible to meet the criteria of our owner. Strikers are the one position where players live and die by their goal/games ratio, the single criteria by which they are judged. I think Carr might be able to find "purchasable bargains" in any other position, but when it comes to strikers, there just isnt any strikers around banging in goals while remaining relatively unknown. Once they start smashing them in, people will know, driving the price up, and making the club less willing to sell. Hopefully there are some sloppy clubs around with too low a fee on the release clause of their striker, which they forgot to raise when he suddenly started banging them in. Heres to hoping Yup, and the thing is as well though, even if they have a low release clause, or were in the last year of a contract and so were available for a good fee, the likely competition from other clubs would drive up the price anyway. So you would still have to pay more if competing with other clubs, be it regarding the transfer fee itself, or the wages the player would then start commanding. The only way you get a good deal with these kind of strikers is by taking bigger risks. i.e. looking at goalscorers in the smaller leagues, and trying to determine if their abilities would translate to the prem. The fact that they couldn't even at least have some of these types of options is disgraceful. Someone like Mohammed Bangoura who has just joined celtic after being recommended by Larsson, or even Shane Long from the Championship. These guys both cost less than £5 million, why not try someone like that. Long look sideal already. The season before Man U signed Hernandez for £6million. Why not look at South America, if you want to be cheap about it? Look at the striker Everton brought in. Hasn't cost them much, but his record is really good in South America, at least they're trying to do something. Not enough effort. They had to have had more options, and tried to do more, regardless of how much they were willing to spend. They need to step it up. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted September 2, 2011 Share Posted September 2, 2011 I think you've hit on the basic problem, just getting a player who's far enough above the ones we already have, while not spending much money on his transfer fee. It's a tough one to be sure. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ashley17 Posted September 2, 2011 Share Posted September 2, 2011 Plan A: Gameiro, Gervinho, Ba Plan B: GOALKEEPERS Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Rainforest Posted September 2, 2011 Share Posted September 2, 2011 The entire European market is pretty much scouted the shit out of already. Any striker capable of banging in 15-20 goals will have a premium price tag, especially with clubs like PSG City and the like having virtually limitless amounts of cash. I think we should have a look in south america as well. Shit, look at Hernandez, I imagine the ITK`s down there will know of equal talents or even bigger ones. Im actually fine with not buying overpriced continental strikers, as long as we explore other options.. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tooj Posted September 2, 2011 Share Posted September 2, 2011 Hernandez is from central america. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
taxfree Posted September 2, 2011 Share Posted September 2, 2011 The entire European market is pretty much scouted the s*** out of already. Any striker capable of banging in 15-20 goals will have a premium price tag, especially with clubs like PSG City and the like having virtually limitless amounts of cash. I think we should have a look in south america as well. s***, look at Hernandez, I imagine the ITK`s down there will know of equal talents or even bigger ones. Im actually fine with not buying overpriced continental strikers, as long as we explore other options.. "Expensive" and difficulties with work permits etc. Won't happen (unfortunately). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tooj Posted September 2, 2011 Share Posted September 2, 2011 I'm not having it being classed as North America btw. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
taxfree Posted September 2, 2011 Share Posted September 2, 2011 Hernandez is from central america. Officially North America... I'm with you though. Edit: Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaKa Posted September 2, 2011 Share Posted September 2, 2011 The entire European market is pretty much scouted the s*** out of already. Any striker capable of banging in 15-20 goals will have a premium price tag, especially with clubs like PSG City and the like having virtually limitless amounts of cash. I think we should have a look in south america as well. s***, look at Hernandez, I imagine the ITK`s down there will know of equal talents or even bigger ones. Im actually fine with not buying overpriced continental strikers, as long as we explore other options.. "Expensive" and difficulties with work permits etc. Won't happen (unfortunately). I'm sure they're not all expensive, and they don't all have difficulties with work permits! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest sicko2ndbest Posted September 2, 2011 Share Posted September 2, 2011 Pardews silence is still deafening I reckon he is well fucked off! However,it is a fact that he will tow the party line and won't criticise the owners Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaKa Posted September 2, 2011 Share Posted September 2, 2011 Yup, reckon Pardew was just as desperate to have his socks blown off, but has instead blown his lid. Think the guy is fuming right now too. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spider Jerusalem Posted September 2, 2011 Share Posted September 2, 2011 This wasn't even in the top 5 worst windows of the last 10 years man. Selling Milner & buying Xisco...finishing 3rd and only signing Bowyer, selling Woodgate leaving us with Robbie frigging Elliott pretty much a regular for 4 months, using the Woodgate money 4 months later to sign Boumsong, Babayaro & Faye and letting Bernard go, selling Carroll leaving us with Peter frigging Lovenkrands for 4 months, etc. I wouldn't say that - being told that all of the money brought in from a windfall transfer would be re-invested from day one, losing more players than the number coming in, having transfer fees and wages from outgoing players AT LEAST covering incoming transfers, spending less than last years summer transfers as a newly promoted team where we at least marinally built up the squad. When we bought in Bowyer it wasn't great but we hadn't finished four points away from relegation the season before , and sure we sold Woodgate to have lesser players but now we still have and still have Perter Fucking Lovenkrands playing and Alan Smith being a viable substitute in the managers eyes when they wouldn't get into any other Premier League teams 25 man squad. Oh, but we have a 21 man squad, that includes Alan Smith, Peter Lovenkrands, James Perch and Ryan Taylor - not really players you want to rely on week after week but will have to at least once this season. Seems like an absolute fucking abortion of a transsfer window to me. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
henke Posted September 2, 2011 Share Posted September 2, 2011 As crap as it sounds, i reckon Gameiro would be fucking class in our side. With Ben Arfa behind him and Cabaye / Tiote behind him. jesus wept we'd walk into the Europa League. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaKa Posted September 2, 2011 Share Posted September 2, 2011 As crap as it sounds, i reckon Gameiro would be f***ing class in our side. With Ben Arfa behind him and Cabaye / Tiote behind him. jesus wept we'd walk into the Europa League. It's unfortunate really. I am quite anti PSG now, funnily enough. Gameiro, Erdinc and just the whole oil rich buy all the talent thing. Wish them a good amount of ill will. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ashley17 Posted September 2, 2011 Share Posted September 2, 2011 As crap as it sounds, i reckon Gameiro would be fucking class in our side. With Ben Arfa behind him and Cabaye / Tiote behind him. jesus wept we'd walk into the Europa League. Yeah and in fairness we went for him from day one, had the offer accepted but the bloke never wanted to come here. That was in June, the plan after that seemed to be pretty scattergun (although obviously you can't believe every rumour there was) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted September 2, 2011 Share Posted September 2, 2011 Lovekrands and Smith would get into a lot of Premier League 25 man squads, probably at least half at a guess. It doesn't mean they're any good, but I think that's a fair guess. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
teohgk Posted September 2, 2011 Share Posted September 2, 2011 This wasn't even in the top 5 worst windows of the last 10 years man. Selling Milner & buying Xisco...finishing 3rd and only signing Bowyer, selling Woodgate leaving us with Robbie frigging Elliott pretty much a regular for 4 months, using the Woodgate money 4 months later to sign Boumsong, Babayaro & Faye and letting Bernard go, selling Carroll leaving us with Peter frigging Lovenkrands for 4 months, etc. I wouldn't say that - being told that all of the money brought in from a windfall transfer would be re-invested from day one, losing more players than the number coming in, having transfer fees and wages from outgoing players AT LEAST covering incoming transfers, spending less than last years summer transfers as a newly promoted team where we at least marinally built up the squad. When we bought in Bowyer it wasn't great but we hadn't finished four points away from relegation the season before , and sure we sold Woodgate to have lesser players but now we still have and still have Perter f***ing Lovenkrands playing and Alan Smith being a viable substitute in the managers eyes when they wouldn't get into any other Premier League teams 25 man squad. Oh, but we have a 21 man squad, that includes Alan Smith, Peter Lovenkrands, James Perch and Ryan Taylor - not really players you want to rely on week after week but will have to at least once this season. Seems like an absolute f***ing abortion of a transsfer window to me. come on , at least give him a break , he scored 2 goals already this season Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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